A lot of his recent material sounds rather like 'Never mind the results - look at the performances'; or, increasingly, 'Never mind the results and the performances - look at my formation changes'. I preferred his older routine: 'Never mind the results, the performances and the formation changes - look at the passing stats.'
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Nostalgia for when they won the possession....
How could that possibly be construed as a dig at United?
Seriously? It would be a fantastic backhanded compliment if it was.
He's an incredibly talented coach with major flaws, but he's so difficult to resonate with as a person. I think it will remain this way till he's won a few things and doesnt always feel the need to justify himself.
Can you really see him winning anything.
Always thought he got lucky getting the Liverpool job. Didn't see then, any reason why he would be considered.
Thought Liverpool had a Newcastle under Keegan type season last year. Normality has largely been restored, and the top 4 will again strengthen.
See no evidence that BR actually has a plan for sustained quality. In his 3 years of spending a significant amount I don't see a backbone of a team to build on.
I believe in the core principles he has and if he has the right players he can execute to devastating effect but these players dont come around often and that coupled with his inability to coach a defence and have a nailed down way of playing leaves me wondering. The summers going to be huge and I'm inclined to give him another season to see if he can replicate something resembling last season.
Same opinion of him as a year or so ago. Good coach, decent tactics, shit buys, mediocre man management at best, unnecessarily verbose and pseudo-intelligent.
Then again, he is relatively young for a manager and will probably get better.
Then again, he is relatively young for a manager and will probably get better.
Best summary ever.
thought he was instrumental in making both Surez and Sterling into better players.
He does have the knack of stabilizing the team. So the guy does know his stuff. He will gain experience. But how long are teh fans willing to wait.
He does have the knack of stabilizing the team. So the guy does know his stuff. He will gain experience. But how long are teh fans willing to wait.
Is he though? As far as Rodgers' management goes, last year is very much an anomaly. His management career apart from last season is average. So at this moment it is looking very much like last season wasn't the norm.
He had that team absolutely humming last season, and it wasn't just down to Suarez. Stevie Me, for all his faults, is as seasoned as they come in the game and he proclaimed Rogers to be the "best man manager" he's ever worked under. His transfer record is absolutely atrocious, Sturridge and Coutinho aside (by all accounts he didn't even want Sturridge), but he seems to be pretty good at his job aside from that. They looked dead and buried months ago but have rallied, and if they win their game in hand they will be just 5 points behind us.
I think so, but i mean purely as a coach as a manager hes even more flawed. But as a coach he's improved and brough through quite a few young players, improved some already here to a reasonable standard, creates good attacking patterns of play, finds good formations to extract the best from his players. You give him a player with certain attributes he can make them play better than they are, but it goes the other way with players like Lambert and Balotelli who are decent enough but look like Rabbits in headlights in a Rodgers team. It really is swings and roundabouts and he still has it all to prove merely being a good attacking coach isnt good enough.
In fairness to Liverpool and Rodgers, if the could have replaced the quality of suarez with the same quality, or added another player of that quality and kept Suarez, things would be very different for them this year. He was a huge loss to a team that only really had 1 other world class player in Gerrard. This year has taken its toll on Gerrard and Liverpool are suffering massively from losing two key players. But I have no doubt that Rodgers is a good manager. If he was in charge of a club that had quality throughout the squad his brand of football would be devastating. High pressure and fast counter attacking held together by a will to keep ball, if he was at City or Chelsea or United he would win trophies. Unfortunately for him hes at Liverpool and they dont have any real proven quality. A couple of potentials but no one that is going to lift them out of being a Europa league team. Plus their owners arent going to back them massively in the transfer window.
He's such a knob. Plus you missed the best one - "It is great for the public here at Sunderland to see us," he said after the game. "They must have been wondering what this team everyone is talking about are all about and now they have seen. We were wonderful. Our intention is always to pass teams to a standstill'' Sunderland had just beaten Rodgers Swansea 2-0.
The owners've usually given them around 50M netspend and last summer I'd say they did back Liverpool in the market with around €20M+ spent on five different signings according to transfermarkt (Lallana (€30M), Lovren (€25M), Markovic (€25M), Balotelli (€20M) and Moreno (€18M)), none of which have exactly set the league alight.
50 mill isnt enough these days. But youre right he was backed last year and decided to do an AVB with the cash. But if Suarez wasnt sold he wouldnt have been backed.
Has shades of Benitez doesn't it? that guy bought every player he looked at, and Liverpool spent massively. Although, Rafa did tend to get the "big" signings right (the likes of Babel and Aquilani and Keane aside), Rodgers is struggling to do that. He's signed Coutinho, Sturridge and a load of shite.
To be fair to Rodgers he's a coach rather than a manager, so he only has input into transfers. 'FSG does not see the traditional British-style manager as the way forward for Liverpool but appears to have compromised on the authority between Rodgers and the sporting director figure'. Who he?
Ian Ayre?
I thought he was more the contracts/finance guy (cf Dick Law at Arsenal) but since they fired the arch bullshitter Damien Comolli I don't know if they've got a DoF per se.
Having read RAWK a few times, I know they do have a transfer committee lead by Ian Ayre. They make it out to be so secretive and nebulous, as if it was the illuminati showing aliens around the fecking Batcave.
Ayre is a smart guy who knows feck-all squared about players. If they're doing the DoF model they simply must have someone else (or possibly not judging by the signings
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He's such a knob. Plus you missed the best one - "It is great for the public here at Sunderland to see us," he said after the game. "They must have been wondering what this team everyone is talking about are all about and now they have seen. We were wonderful. Our intention is always to pass teams to a standstill'' Sunderland had just beaten Rodgers Swansea 2-0.
What a bellend.
Ayre negotiates transfers and as for the comittee Dave Fallows Barry Hunter and Michael Edwards are on it, there's a couple more whos names escape me.
Sunday was really bad, but I'm finding it a bit weird how absolutely deadbeat Liverpool fans are, considering we're only four points off 4th if we win our game in hand.
Maybe I'm just being an optimist but the season isn't quite over yet.
Maybe I'm just being an optimist but the season isn't quite over yet.
Since the departure of former director of football Damien Comolli in April 2012 and the subsequent appointment of Brendan Rodgers as manager that summer, Liverpool have reshaped their structure and taken a collective approach to the purchasing of players – and also wage structure.
Ayre explained in an interview with Sports Illustrated magazine earlier this year:
“We have a head of analysis, a head of recruitment, a first-team manager, myself. All of those people are all inputting into a process that delivers what a director of football would deliver.”
Quite simply, Ayre describes the committee and the process as “a combination of old-school scouting and watching players — and that’s Brendan, his assistants, our scouts — with statistical analysis of players across Europe and the rest of the world.”
“By bringing those two processes together, you get a much more educated view of who you should and shouldn’t be buying.”
“What we believe, and we continue to follow, is you need many people involved in the process.”
So, who are the people involved in the process?
Brendan Rodgers
First Team Manager
As Ayre explained in the Sports Illustrated interview, “He [Rodgers] has a team of people that go out and do an inordinate amount of analysis work to establish who are the best players in that position. It’s a combination of things.”
So, Rodgers briefs his team on the positions to fill, the scouting team then provide recommendations and the committee collectively value the player accordingly, in terms of value and also wages.
In an interview in March Rodgers explained his vision for the squad was to have “two players in every outfield position and your three goalkeepers. Then below that having young players who can support that.”
Dave Fallows
Head of Recruitment
Fallows, along with chief scout Barry Hunter, joined Liverpool from Manchester City in September 2012, having been approached prior to Brendan Rodgers’ arrival. They were placed on ‘gardening leave’ by City and thus could not officially work for Liverpool in last summer’s transfer window.
Rodgers said of Fallows, and Hunter:
“They were appointments I was fully aware of. I’ve known Barry for a long time and Dave also. Dave was already in the offing to come here. From Dave’s position, he would only accept the job if someone like myself was coming in.”
The appointment of the two was described as a “major coup” by The Liverpool Echo.
Fallows was a key part of City’s staff where his role as “Football Scouting and Recruitment Coordinator” involved assigning scouts, filtering reports, preparing recommendations and presentations on the club’s targets, and compiling a database of scouted players. Seemingly his role at Liverpool is of a similar nature.
Michael Edwards
Head of Performance and Analysis
Edwards is the least well-known of the committee. He was appointed at the club by Damien Comolli having worked alongside the Frenchman at Tottenham where he was head of performance analysis. His role with Liverpool changed from “Head of Analytics” to “Head of Performance and Analysis” when Fallows and Hunter, and thus the committee structure, was put in place last year.
Edwards graduated from The University of Sheffield in 2002 in Business Management and Informatics.
Ian Ayre
Managing Director
Ayre, born locally in Liverpool, was head-hunted by former owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett. He was appointed commercial director in 2007 where he was responsible for the impressive financial deal with Standard Chartered most notably.
Ayre has previously been chairman of Huddersfield Town FC and was promoted to managing director in March 2011 as Fenway Sports Group began their restructuring process.
While some sections of the supporters have criticisms of Ayre, since his promotion Liverpool have shown some impressive financial deals and negotiating – £8.5m for Coutinho, nice work.
Ayre explained in an interview with Sports Illustrated magazine earlier this year:
“We have a head of analysis, a head of recruitment, a first-team manager, myself. All of those people are all inputting into a process that delivers what a director of football would deliver.”
Quite simply, Ayre describes the committee and the process as “a combination of old-school scouting and watching players — and that’s Brendan, his assistants, our scouts — with statistical analysis of players across Europe and the rest of the world.”
“By bringing those two processes together, you get a much more educated view of who you should and shouldn’t be buying.”
“What we believe, and we continue to follow, is you need many people involved in the process.”
So, who are the people involved in the process?
Brendan Rodgers
First Team Manager
As Ayre explained in the Sports Illustrated interview, “He [Rodgers] has a team of people that go out and do an inordinate amount of analysis work to establish who are the best players in that position. It’s a combination of things.”
So, Rodgers briefs his team on the positions to fill, the scouting team then provide recommendations and the committee collectively value the player accordingly, in terms of value and also wages.
In an interview in March Rodgers explained his vision for the squad was to have “two players in every outfield position and your three goalkeepers. Then below that having young players who can support that.”
Dave Fallows
Head of Recruitment
Fallows, along with chief scout Barry Hunter, joined Liverpool from Manchester City in September 2012, having been approached prior to Brendan Rodgers’ arrival. They were placed on ‘gardening leave’ by City and thus could not officially work for Liverpool in last summer’s transfer window.
Rodgers said of Fallows, and Hunter:
“They were appointments I was fully aware of. I’ve known Barry for a long time and Dave also. Dave was already in the offing to come here. From Dave’s position, he would only accept the job if someone like myself was coming in.”
The appointment of the two was described as a “major coup” by The Liverpool Echo.
Fallows was a key part of City’s staff where his role as “Football Scouting and Recruitment Coordinator” involved assigning scouts, filtering reports, preparing recommendations and presentations on the club’s targets, and compiling a database of scouted players. Seemingly his role at Liverpool is of a similar nature.
Michael Edwards
Head of Performance and Analysis
Edwards is the least well-known of the committee. He was appointed at the club by Damien Comolli having worked alongside the Frenchman at Tottenham where he was head of performance analysis. His role with Liverpool changed from “Head of Analytics” to “Head of Performance and Analysis” when Fallows and Hunter, and thus the committee structure, was put in place last year.
Edwards graduated from The University of Sheffield in 2002 in Business Management and Informatics.
Ian Ayre
Managing Director
Ayre, born locally in Liverpool, was head-hunted by former owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett. He was appointed commercial director in 2007 where he was responsible for the impressive financial deal with Standard Chartered most notably.
Ayre has previously been chairman of Huddersfield Town FC and was promoted to managing director in March 2011 as Fenway Sports Group began their restructuring process.
While some sections of the supporters have criticisms of Ayre, since his promotion Liverpool have shown some impressive financial deals and negotiating – £8.5m for Coutinho, nice work.
Would trust the TC over Rodgers. Time we comitted to one.
The total cnuts (who signed Lovren et al)?
I agree. Also, as a coach, he is excellent. When in form, Liverpool play some slick attacking football. I'd stick with him for another year or two given the potential he's shown.
"I haven't taken over a machine that was for 10 years used to winning trophies."
He should have said what he meant, which was "I'm not David Moyes"
He should have said what he meant, which was "I'm not David Moyes"
Mourino and Chelsea are more apt?
People keep ignoring that his back 7 is basically horrid. Would any of them play for us? I guess Skrtl would maybe beat out Rojo or Jones but not Smalling. I'm not even sure Mignolet or Moreno would be our 2nd choice at their positions with Valdes and Blind.
Liverpool need to bring in a director of football who can sign defensive players that can play in a style Rodgers like but are actually good at football.
Sakho-Skrtl would be okay 2nd and 3rd CB's with the right CB starting with one of them, but their DM's, Keepers and fullbacks are comfortable worse than not only United, Chelsea, Citeh and Arsenal's options, but also Southampton and Everton's and neck and neck with Spurs' catastrophic fast Englishmen, Lloris and Bentaleb.
In a smarter world, Rodgers would go to a team with a defense already set up that needs to improve their overall game (Say Atletico if Simeone leaves in 2-3 years and Saul, Gimenez and Siquiera are established by then) and Liverpool would get a manager/backroom team that can buy good players.
Whooooah there, don't diss the comollimeister on here, I said he didn't know what he was talking about once and had the full wrath of One of the mods come down on me like a ton of bricks.
Comolli knows his football and that is a fact that cannot be disputed apparently.
He would end up with the same problem as Martinez and to an extent Wenger though, in that he would still know feck all about how to coach a defensive unit, and over time, the existing players stop doing what they were doing or a phased out and the defence goes to shit again.
No doubt their work in the transfer market hasn't been very good during his time, but like I said, due his qualities as a coach alone, I'd be inclined to keep him. He needs to start getting the transfer right of course, but if he does and if the club and him work on that, he'll be the right coach to get the best out of them.
You can't say "My team lacks big-game mentality" after the FA-Cup semi-final against Aston Villa and few days later "I don't think there is anyone better to manage Liverpool" 
I will judge Rodgers at the end of the season because they must get the 5th place to have at least the headline "It was a poor season".
7th place (and Aston Villa are winning the FA-Cup) and if Klopp or some other good managerial options are available then i can't see him as manager at Anfield for next season.
I will judge Rodgers at the end of the season because they must get the 5th place to have at least the headline "It was a poor season".
7th place (and Aston Villa are winning the FA-Cup) and if Klopp or some other good managerial options are available then i can't see him as manager at Anfield for next season.
5th a couple of points off fourth and I wouldn't sack him. 6th or lower and he'd have to go. It'd be an extraordinary dose of irony if Southampton finished above Liverpool in light of Rodgers signing the three L's from Southampton - Lambert, Lallana and Lovren.You can't say "My team lacks big-game mentality" after the FA-Cup semi-final against Aston Villa and few days later "I don't think there is anyone better to manage Liverpool"
I will judge Rodgers at the end of the season because they must get the 5th place to have at least the headline "It was a poor season".
7th place (and Aston Villa are winning the FA-Cup) and if Klopp or some other good managerial options are available then i can't see him as manager at Anfield for next season.
More gold from Rodgers.
As a manager he has scope to improve on lots of things. He is not bad at coaching part, given his teams can play some good football but he has questionable approach to some other aspects of football management. I also think he has filled squad with lots of such players, who are either bad or are decent to good on occasions but bang average otherwise. Add to that, most of them are young. Hence it is not smooth sailing this season with no one like Suarez to run the show on pitch.
So it is tough job for him no doubt. I sometimes wonder if Liverpool should have gone for some real big name player instead of getting 2 young players in 15-20m price zone while strengthening. Guess it won't go with their wage structure and business model though. Building success just on basis of young talent is difficult nowadays, especially if you also insist on tight wage structure to go with it. Too many clubs around who will offer big wages to players if some of those youngsters turn out good.
Oh and he should stop talking big before actually achieving something. Just sets himself for ridicule later. I have read many Liverpool fans also getting annoyed by it now.
So it is tough job for him no doubt. I sometimes wonder if Liverpool should have gone for some real big name player instead of getting 2 young players in 15-20m price zone while strengthening. Guess it won't go with their wage structure and business model though. Building success just on basis of young talent is difficult nowadays, especially if you also insist on tight wage structure to go with it. Too many clubs around who will offer big wages to players if some of those youngsters turn out good.
Oh and he should stop talking big before actually achieving something. Just sets himself for ridicule later. I have read many Liverpool fans also getting annoyed by it now.
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