I'd love a return for Rafa
I don't think Rodgers deserves the boot but it wouldn't surprise me
I don't think Rodgers deserves the boot but it wouldn't surprise me
Brentan Rodgers
- Thread starter The Neviller
- Start date
- Status
These Americans are quite sensible so they won't sack him unless he bungles another transfer window. Last year, most of his expenditure was covered by the Suarez money so the bottom line did not get too stretched that the owners would particularly bother.
Looking at this season, Klopp looks like the German Brentan with a wig.
Except that he's actually won things and reached a European cup final.
Which is exactly why I want him sacked.
He's not great and I really can't see him winning any of the major trophies (league and the CL) but Liverpool can't get much better imo. I was surprised by how well they did last year and I was surprised by how much pressure they put on us this year. After Rafa, Daglish and Hodgson all failed to get Liverpool back up the table (well, Rafa actually brought them to 7th), Rodgers is the first to make sides higher up the league actually worry about them. It'd be a mistake to sack him imo.
I really hope he gets sacked.
I wouldn't listen to that as it's not being reported by Barrett, Pearce, Bascombe, Joyce, Hunter, or Maddock.
Wishing Barney hadn't melted away so soon. The fun is just getting startedNot under the current owners. It's a terrible shame they were so poisoned against him but at this stage I'm not sure it would be right for him or the club for Rafa to come back.
It wouldn't be, I agree. I was against his sacking at the time but a line has been drawn and I think it'd be the wrong decision to hire him back.
What happened to Barney?
Aww touched a nerve have I? Because it would take some mighty idiocy to not be able to see the difference between defensive and offensive tactics. But again you have only been accustomed to the former for quite some time now so I probably shouldn't be surprised.
Yeah Jose's tactics amount to just putting 9 men behind the ball, which has led to 2 CL's and a trolleyload of titles and cups. I look forward to watching Sam Allerdyce achieve his own La Decima one day.
Leaked footage has emerged from the dressing room in the Emirates.....
A part of my love for football died when the idiots in suits got rid of our best manager since ... well, you can make your own mind up about that ... and some of the "greatest supporters in the land" celebrated getting rid of "the Spaniard". They reaped what they sowed when they got the OFC instead.
I'd have Rafa back in a heartbeat if I wasn't reasonably sure it wouldn't work out because of the ownership.
Yeah Jose's tactics amount to just putting 9 men behind the ball, which has led to 2 CL's and a trolleyload of titles and cups. I look forward to watching Sam Allerdyce achieve his own La Decima one day.
Nah. You're not giving Mourinho his due there. You forgot to mention coached and systematic cheating and referee intimidation.
Yeah Jose's tactics amount to just putting 9 men behind the ball, which has led to 2 CL's and a trolleyload of titles and cups. I look forward to watching Sam Allerdyce achieve his own La Decima one day.
I like Mourinho a lot as a manager, but what does La Decima have to do with him?
Blast from the past
Then we go on to sign the likes of Angel di Maria (that season's CL final MOTM) while they sign a shit load of Southampton players. Where will they be shopping without Champions League football this summer? Stoke? Sunderland?
Then we go on to sign the likes of Angel di Maria (that season's CL final MOTM) while they sign a shit load of Southampton players. Where will they be shopping without Champions League football this summer? Stoke? Sunderland?
Why do you assume so much? When did I say any of the things you are talking about? Again you're bringing success to defend style which is a sign of insecurity. Look, nobody is arguing that Mourinho is an extremely successful manager. That is because he possesses a number of qualities that most managers don't. His man management is brilliant, his charisma, personality, transfer market nous and amazing ability to get his players to die for him. Those are extremely rare qualities to have and they are more than enough to produce the success he's had. But do his teams play with a clear pattern that comes from a clear tactical vision the way Guardiola teams do or Wenger's or Van Gaal's? You'd have to be an idiot to argue that's the case. Does that make him a worse manager than these names? Of course not, as that's one aspect of being manager among many and what decides the quality of the manage ris the sum of those qualities. So even though Wenger for me scores higher on the scale of producing a team that plays with a clear vision and pattern, he is still an inferior manager because Mourinho is superior on all the other aspects. Hence Mourinho could be extremely successful and yet have certain limitations, just like literally any other successful person in history. My issue with him is that his particular limitation is such a turn off for a club with money, status and global appeal. I simply don't want my team to go to every big game there is with the attitude of "we'll destroy whatever you throw at us". Whereas that is of course a subjective attitude, it is far from uncommon.Yeah Jose's tactics amount to just putting 9 men behind the ball, which has led to 2 CL's and a trolleyload of titles and cups. I look forward to watching Sam Allerdyce achieve his own La Decima one day.
I'm sure Sir Alex regrets not taking that approach in 2009 or 2011.
He'd just came back from injury to be fair to Kolo. Not his fault that he was a bit rusty and had to come to play at Arsenal away.
Banned
Saying he was happy because Skrtel stamped of ddg
I'm sure Sir Alex regrets not taking that approach in 2009 or 2011.
In 2011 we didn't have the quality to do even that. 2009 is a different matter.
I've read his book, he doesn't seem that way. That's an interesting one though, as I felt like that at the time, I thought I wish we approached it a different way. But then I thought that we can't have it all ways. We loved Sir Alex's approach and it was the main reason we were what we were, asking him to change his attitude would be asking for a different type of manager. We already did that in 2008 and it worked but according to Sir Alex himself, he didn't like playing at OT having to withstand a storm from a visiting team which is why he changed the approach in the finals and I agreed with him. Having said that, I would be totally accepting of a manager who has Mourinho's attitude occasionally as a pragmatic solution in case of injuries, lack of form, lack of resources like Atlético Madrid for example. My problem though is that this is not the case, he never shows any ambition to build a side that dominates, his instinct is to build a solid defensive side regardless of anything else. You see managers like Sir Alex, Guardiola, Klopp and others and they clearly start out with the mindset of building a dominant team that takes charge of games, they don't always succeed and in some cases, they can be left with eggs on their faces but at least it's the attitude I'd want to see in a manager of a big club.I'm sure Sir Alex regrets not taking that approach in 2009 or 2011.
Benitez has won two la liga titles, two Europa leagues, champions league, Fa cup and Italian fa cup, UEFA Super cup and the club world championship.
Rodgers has won the championship play offs.
Rodgers has won the championship play offs.
I like Mourinho a lot as a manager, but what does La Decima have to do with him?
Well you could argue he put Real back in a position that led to them being able to achieve it, but actually it was just a joke.
I'm feeling fairly secure at the top of the league to be honest.
I don't really agree with this 'clear pattern' stuff in the slightest though. He's a pragmatist who plays each match in the way most likely to win each match. Rodgers is a big proponent of the 'clear pattern' which is why his tactics are so one dimensional and why he managed to not win the PL last year.
Anyway though, this is the Rodgers thread, so let's leave the Mourinho stuff eh.
Dont think i've ever seen a manager who likes to blame his players for bad results as much as Rodgers. He has been playing Sterling as a wing-back for a few weeks now and the moment his contract situation became public, he sticks up front, waits for him to fail to criticize "his advisors".
Di Maria is probably the worst value-for-money signing in the league, Lallana-level contribution for 3x the fee and wages.
2nd most league assists after Fabregas, having been out injured for a while and in and out of the team.
He's not hit his straps yet but even under-par, he contributes more than most midfielders in the league.
I expect him to blow the league away next season.
Well you could argue he put Real back in a position that led to them being able to achieve it, but actually it was just a joke.
I'm feeling fairly secure at the top of the league to be honest.
I don't really agree with this 'clear pattern' stuff in the slightest though. He's a pragmatist who plays each match in the way most likely to win each match. Rodgers is a big proponent of the 'clear pattern' which is why his tactics are so one dimensional and why he managed to not win the PL last year.
Anyway though, this is the Rodgers thread, so let's leave the Mourinho stuff eh.
There's a lot you can fairly criticise Rodgers for but saying his approach cost us the title is complete horseshit. We lost against Chelsea partly because of his approach, but without those tactics we wouldn't have been in the race to start with.
Sesame Street says hi.
not sure about that. even though he might aswell have his hands in his pockets or even as sub, when he is on the pitch he assists
Well, obviously Barca would still have been clear favourites even if we adopted an Airbus approach in 2011, but it'd at least have given us a better chance.
2009 remains the most painful one for me, Barca wouldn't even have been there if not for the utterly incompetent Ovebro.
Anyway, I don't really agree with your view on Mourinho, his sides normally do dominate games, Chelsea during his first 2 seasons there were as dominant in the PL as most of Sir Alex's United title winning sides. But he is more likely to go with a defensive approach in a big game if he feels it gives his team a better chance, which I have no problem with. Only Guardiola has had the luxury of always playing a style he wants and that's mainly because he's been in charge of 2 of the best squads in the world.
Anyway, let's not derail the Rodgers thread.
But it was the Chelsea game that cost you the title and it was because Rodgers wasn't pragmatic and went to gung ho...so his approach basically did cost you the title? Well it was 0-0 until Gerrard slipped so maybe I'm being harsh.
Exactly! That's what I don't understand how people miss this simple point. Managers develop an approach and work on it, an offensive one is more difficult to implement than a defensive one coaching wise at least. But they can't just on an one off game change their entire approach and be expected to produce good results with it. Under Fergie, we were far from known as well drilled defensive side until Rio and Vida. When we played the best European teams, we regularly shipped in few goals vs Juventus, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and so on. The point is having it both ways is asking for the skies, once Rogers went for that attacking mindset, it was always a high risk policy and he shouldn't be held responsible when the risk fails at some point.
Simply not true, how many managers have managed a defensive record anywhere near Mourinho's at Chelsea (both periods)? If it was so easy, don't you think more people will try to do it.
Didn't we change our entire approach against Barcelona in the 2008 semi final and manage to grind out a 1-0 victory. The greatest managers are flexible imo.
They should be bothered. Money wasted is money wasted, even if you got it covered by selling a player. In fact, it's worse. You lost your best player and wasted the money you got for him, thus failing to replace him and keep the team competitive. If you're looking for success and not just breaking even, that's bad.
Also, remember, the dippers love to insist on including wages when talking about transfer spend. So, not only did they spunk the £70 mil (if we believe their figures, I think Barca said it was £59 mil?) transfer fee on some utter garbage, they are also stuck paying more out every week in wages for a worse position.
poor wum 2/10. try harder
“It’s not difficult to coach to just get 10 players right on your 18-yard box and it is difficult to break through, but they defended well. I think they got booked for time wasting in the 92nd minute but you could see from the first whistle that the plan was to frustrate but teams work in a different way. We are a team that tries to win in a sporting manner, try to work and initiate the game with the ball."
Never said it was easy. Said it's more difficult to develop an attacking approach. Creating is harder than destroying in most things in life. Why don't many attempt to do it? Well for some, they're not good enough, for others, they have an attitude of imposing their teams on the game rather than being submissive. When it works, it results on the most memorable teams in history but when it doesn't you look like an idiot.
Yes we did but we also didn't against Real in 2000 and 2003. Barcelona in the 2009 and 2011 finals and many other occasions. And if you look at Fergie's book, you will see he wasn't very happy with how we approached the game you are talking about which is my point after all about the importance of having a general attitude to the game.
- Status