Brentan Rodgers

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Irwinwastheking said:
Yeah, that's the conditions over here in Donegal/Sligo. I did have a chuckle when Brightonian suggested that it was clear that I'd never played in strong winds. :lol:
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I guess I just assumed you were talking about an approach to playing in strong winds which is actually effective. And hoofing the ball up into the air, as you and others have observed (below), is not effective unless you're playing against someone who would comfortably beat you otherwise:

Irwinwastheking said:
I've seen goal kicks from a decent kicker going out for a corner direct. Amazing wind around the coast of Sligo some times.
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nahealai said:
Our goalkeeper took a goalkick and it just went straight up in the air, a huge gust of wind took it into the Atlantic Ocean.
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The team I play for tends to prefer to play the ball out from goal, so based on these examples this approach would hardly help us, would it? And that's why when it's windy we keep the ball on the ground, where we can stay in control of it.

So I think our agreement was more about the different styles of football our teams play, rather than about absolute right and wrong ways of doing things, apologies for that.
 
They should pop over now and see what it's like. I nearly lost the car door by opening it earlier.
 
Stick said:
He was marking Croft mostly. Wabara should really have been looked after by the left midfielder. I didn't think he was shite. I didnt think he played well but no worse than Coates, Wisdom, Brad Jones, Downing or Allen.
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They were all shite.
 
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Having a dig at the players on tomorrows back pages. I don't think that's the best idea, I wouldn't say his job is 100% secure the last thing he needs is to lose the players with the hard run they have coming up.
 
Just watched the interview, what a disgrace. That's the exact kind of thing that should be happening on the training ground not in front of the press. If it was at Anfield in good conditions and they lost then you can understand but when you're playing youngsters away from home at a physically strong team in poor conditions and you lose its very harsh to take it out to this extent on the youngsters.

Wouldn't be too surprised if some of them want away after this. A masterclass in how to upset a team that is underachieving. He won't get sacked though because when they signed him they kept going on about his 'philosophy' which appears to be passing but not winning.
 
Cowardly decision, because the youngsters' poor morale won't affect him again for a while but he wants to keep the big names onside, even though they should be taking responsibility for the result.
 
Quinton Fortune said:
Wouldn't be too surprised if some of them want away after this. A masterclass in how to upset a team that is underachieving. He won't get sacked though because when they signed him they kept going on about his 'philosophy' which appears to be passing but not winning.
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I said this earlier in the thread, this is his biggest achievement. Fooling people into somehow thinking Liverpool are switching to some kind of Barcelona/Dortmund hybrid style of football. It's the exact same style they have played for the past 5 years, the only difference is they play out from the back (not successfully I might add).

It's not even his style either, he didn't play it at Watford or Reading and Swansea was playing it before he arrived and are still playing it after he left, the guy is a master at getting people to think he's some sort of British Guardiola it's mind boggling.

4 different clubs in 4 years as a manager, he got sacked from Reading after 6 months in charge and he didn't do a great job at Watford finishing 13th in the league. Swansea were set up after Martinez left for Wigan he did a decent job there for 2 years Ill give him that but I just think he's been extremely lucky to find himself in the Liverpool job already.
 
Castia said:
I said this earlier in the thread, this is his biggest achievement. Fooling people into somehow thinking Liverpool are switching to some kind of Barcelona/Dortmund hybrid style of football. It's the exact same style they have played for the past 5 years, the only difference is they play out from the back (not successfully I might add).

It's not even his style though either, he didn't play it at Watford or Reading and Swansea was playing it before he arrived and are still playing it after he left, the guy is a master at getting people to think he's some sort of British Guardiola it's mind boggling.

4 different clubs in 4 years as a manager, he got sacked from Reading after 6 months in charge and he didn't do a great job at Watford finishing 13th in the league. Swansea were set up after Martinez left for Wigan he did a decent job there for 2 years Ill give him that but I just think he's been extremely lucky to find himself in the Liverpool job already.
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I still think Liverpool were crazy for choosing him over Martinez, however Martinez seems like the heir to the throne at Everton if Moyes moves onto bigger things.

The whole playing style and philosophy thing really irks me though. I thought it was common knowledge that when you first come to a team you play to their strengths and slowly integrate change. It means you can keep picking up points whilst slowly introducing a new style. This also means slowly buying the right players over a couple of years.

He's just gone in thrown away their 35m striker, tried to get rid of downing, tried to convert Henderson to a right back.

The last thing I'd want when Fergie goes is someone coming in and straight away changing us to a 4-3-3 team with a false 9 who play out from the back. You can slowly introduce it over a few years but to begin with you've got to keep the width we naturally have and craft it.

All the managers which fail are the ones which come in and try and change everything overnight. It pisses people off, fits square pegs in round holes and can make you ridiculously inconsistent.

I still think they'll probably give it a year or two, wait till he has all the right kind of players there then sack him after losing a few games in a row only to bring in a manager who plays a rigid 4-4-2. There's no football common sense at that club at the moment.
 
Quinton Fortune said:
He's just gone in thrown away their 35m striker, tried to get rid of downing, tried to convert Henderson to a right back.
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To be fair to the man Carroll and Downing were both a complete fecking waste of space, it's harsh to forget that now that one's elsewhere and the other's started to occasionally make an actual contribution to the team.

His mistake was to get rid of Carroll before making certain he had a good replacement ready. And to not succeed in getting rid of Downing.
 
Brendan's learned quickly - blame someone else, it's the Liverpool way.

Whether it's referees, bad luck or the incompetence of youngsters, there's always been an excuse for Rodgers. Maybe he should show some mental strength and take responsibility himself.
 
I'm not that shocked by the comments really. I actually think he's right to publicly criticise them if he feels it is necessary. They were shite and put in a half arsed performance. He's giving them a wake up call.
 
Brenton not willing to take any blame himself? He is growing more and more into his role by the day.
 
moses said:
They should pop over now and see what it's like. I nearly lost the car door by opening it earlier.
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I read there were 12 metre waves over your way yesterday!
 
Whether it's deliberate or not, Rodgers' "home truths" in general have the effect of exonerating him. In contrast, it's interesting that he's unfraid to blame himself in minor, unpublicised interviews with fanzines & the like yet when it's for truly public consumption, the blame for every fault lies anywhere bar at his door.
 
Brightonian said:
Complains about a lack of physicality from his players. Buys 5'8" 70kg Phillipe Coutinho.
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I think that may have been a dig at Skrtel and Coates and their inability to deal with the big lad up top for Oldham. In fairness we have been very suspect against big, strong strikers this term.
 
Poxbo said:
I'm not that shocked by the comments really. I actually think he's right to publicly criticise them if he feels it is necessary. They were shite and put in a half arsed performance. He's giving them a wake up call.
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Which would be fine except for the way he's exonerated his senior players. 'The youngsters were shit, but ooh wasn't Steven Gerrard a shining role-model for them?'

Every Liverpool player was utter shite against Oldham, and if I was a manager I'd expect the senior players to take responsibility for that, not offload it all on the untried youngsters in order to keep my first team dressing-room sweet.
 
Brightonian said:
Which would be fine except for the way he's exonerated his senior players. 'The youngsters were shit, but ooh wasn't Steven Gerrard a shining role-model for them?'

Every Liverpool player was utter shite against Oldham, and if I was a manager I'd expect the senior players to take responsibility for that, not offload it all on the untried youngsters in order to keep my first team dressing-room sweet.
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That's fair enough, I don't disagree actually but at the same time I do wonder if his motive was to give the young lads a kick up the ass. All we saw was one game, what's to say he feels they haven't been pulling their weight in training and feel they have it too cushty right now.

Obviously I don't know what the case is here but I don't think it's bad for the development of the modern day young player to have a bit of a public dressing down every now and again to keep their feet on the ground. If he feels they need to step up and they're not doing enough to give him any sort of selection headache then fair play for saying it.


If his motive is to keep the first team sweet then it's pathetic man management from him, yes.
 
Brightonian said:
Which would be fine except for the way he's exonerated his senior players. 'The youngsters were shit, but ooh wasn't Steven Gerrard a shining role-model for them?'

Every Liverpool player was utter shite against Oldham, and if I was a manager I'd expect the senior players to take responsibility for that, not offload it all on the untried youngsters in order to keep my first team dressing-room sweet.
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...and then there's the rumour that Gerrard & Carragher involved themselves in facilitating Rafa Benitez's exit...which was swiftly followed by a new contract for Carragher. Rodgers may be keeping those two onside; he might be glib, but he's not stupid.
 
Poxbo said:
That's fair enough, I don't disagree actually but at the same time I do wonder if his motive was to give the young lads a kick up the ass. All we saw was one game, what's to say he feels they haven't been pulling their weight in training and feel they have it too cushty right now.

Obviously I don't know what the case is here but I don't think it's bad for the development of the modern day young player to have a bit of a public dressing down every now and again to keep their feet on the ground. If he feels they need to step up and they're not doing enough to give him any sort of selection headache then fair play for saying it.


If his motive is to keep the first team sweet then it's pathetic man management from him, yes.
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Yeah, fair points.
 
"How to destroy teen spirit after one christmas" by Brendan Rodgers.

The ***********, tactician, the cnut.

The only kid he want defend is his own and he may spend a lot of time now, outside FC Liverpool, visiting his 'new generation' in jail.

Sterling needs to pack his bags and join Arsenal, AS-feckin-AP if he wants to have a real manager.

End of rant.
 
I'm glad he's made those comments. Whilst he made some mistakes himself with the team selection the youngsters looked half arsed vs Oldham. If this public dressing down doesn't spark a reaction then they clearly don't have the correct attitude. You can't afford to play like you don't give a shit vs anyone when you're 19 and not at all established as a first team player.

Don't think he's in danger of losing the dressing room. He seems to enjoy pretty good relationships with the senior players such as Lucas, Gerrard, Carragher, Suarez etc.

There are rumours that some of the younger players such as Morgan, Flanagan and Robinson really dislike him though.
 
Well done Brendan, you picked the team now you blame the players for the pathetic loss to a League 1 team that hasn't won a league game since WW2.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
I'm glad he's made those comments. Whilst he made some mistakes himself with the team selection the youngsters looked half arsed vs Oldham. If this public dressing down doesn't spark a reaction then they clearly don't have the correct attitude. You can't afford to play like you don't give a shit vs anyone when you're 19 and not at all established as a first team player.

Don't think he's in danger of losing the dressing room. He seems to enjoy pretty good relationships with the senior players such as Lucas, Gerrard, Carragher, Suarez etc.

There are rumours that some of the younger players such as Morgan, Flanagan and Robinson really dislike him though.
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Suarez and the welsh xavi were as poor as any of the youngsters, and the worst guy on the pitch was your goalie, who was the second longest serving player on the team.

Giving a public kick up the arse can sometimes be a good idea, he hasnt done that, he has used the youngsters as scapegoats for his midfield pet he spent 15 million on and the ubercunt who's more touchy than gary glitter at a school panto and thus must be excluded from all feckups.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Suarez and the welsh xavi were as poor as any of the youngsters, and the worst guy on the pitch was your goalie, who was the second longest serving player on the team.

Giving a public kick up the arse can sometimes be a good idea, he hasnt done that, he has used the youngsters as scapegoats for his midfield pet he spent 15 million on and the ubercunt who's more touchy than gary glitter at a school panto and thus must be excluded from all feckups.
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Allen and Suarez can afford to have the occasional poor game though, they've established themselves in the first team. The youngsters were given a chance to show what they've got but the lack of fight and desire they showed was concerning. Seems that's what Rodgers is most pissed off with.
 
On Rodgers's "rant": I just don't see why it's necessary for him to tear into the players in public. They were embarassed against Oldham - so why can't he deal with them internally?

Maybe he's a straight-talking manager who speaks his mind, but to me, he comes across as a motor-mouth in public who simply needs to speak. The likes of Robinson and Coates probably got a dressing-down in the dressing room. There is surely no need to kick them further when they are down.

The fact he seems to aim cheap digs at some of his players is another illuminating fact. Take this:

"The boy Smith hadn't scored a goal at home in two years and he's come up against arguably two big units we had at centre-half [Skrtel and Sebastian Coates]. A boy who has come out of university football and he looks like Didier Drogba.
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He's insulted - not just criticised - two of his centre-backs. Surely something like: "I thought we lacked strength and physicality at the back, which was disappointing. I think we could have shown a bit more fight in general, of course," would have sufficed?

So, to me, he comes across as verbose, egotistical, ranty and flat-out unnecessary. He's a slightly-less inappropriate human reincarnation of RAWK thread starters.
 
off the Ball on Newstalk reporting another of his David Brent management techniques earlier... I missed the start but the jist was that a player in the squad "won" the chance to have lunch with Brendan himself based on performance in training/games? Anyone else catch the whole lot?

What a fecking pillock. :lol:
 
fadas said:
off the Ball on Newstalk reporting another of his David Brent management techniques earlier... I missed the start but the jist was that a player in the squad "won" the chance to have lunch with Brendan himself based on performance in training/games? Anyone else catch the whole lot?

What a fecking pillock. :lol:
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that's surely bollocks.
 
fadas said:
off the Ball on Newstalk reporting another of his David Brent management techniques earlier... I missed the start but the jist was that a player in the squad "won" the chance to have lunch with Brendan himself based on performance in training/games? Anyone else catch the whole lot?

What a fecking pillock. :lol:
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:lol:
 
'The history of this club is about winning' is up there with some of the inanest managerial cliches. Fergie's been guilty of that one a few times too.

Hopefully one day, in answer to the question 'Are you going out there looking for a win today,' someone will answer 'Well statistically the history of this club is about losing and drawing, so no, probably not.'

My money's on Pulis...
 
nahealai said:
RAWK's thread on the *********** has been locked with a week now.

Maybe they saw all of this coming.
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It's bloody cowardice and party-line toeing; that thread was locked before the Norwich win, then opened immediately after, now locked again after the Oldham debacle.

Re ~ the 'Come Dine With Me, YAWN' thing: he's copying Ancelotti.
 
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