Shocking decision to give Suarez the armband. Maybe this really is another house of cards....
Brentan Rodgers
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How far have Liverpool progressed under him really? The only noticeable difference since King Kenny is that Reina passes it short to his defence.
That's massive progress. And don't forget - he brought back the red nets too.
God, some people are never satisfied!
Losing to Oldham is pathetic but isn't the end of the world.
In terms of football and strategy on the pitch, we've progressed a fair bit for me.
Results aren't fantastic just yet though.
In terms of football and strategy on the pitch, we've progressed a fair bit for me.
Results aren't fantastic just yet though.
Seems to be more of the same old story for me SOT.
For a few years now you've been dominating a lot of games that you only draw/lose. It's actually quite strange how similar this season has been as the last few under Dalgleish and Hodgson. Also, for all the money spent you have zero backup for games like that today. You seem to have a few very good players, a lot of average players and loads of shite players. That's been the case for almost the last twenty years.
For a few years now you've been dominating a lot of games that you only draw/lose. It's actually quite strange how similar this season has been as the last few under Dalgleish and Hodgson. Also, for all the money spent you have zero backup for games like that today. You seem to have a few very good players, a lot of average players and loads of shite players. That's been the case for almost the last twenty years.
Maybe it is, but unlike with the previous two managers there at least is a certain strategy being employed on and off the pitch which gives me some hope. I'm still not completely sold on Rodgers but I can see what he's trying to do.
I agree squad depth has been a problem but don't think that was our problem today. We put out a pretty decent side but were completely outfought and the same way in which Benteke, Kenwyne Jones and others have dominated us physically - the Oldham forward did.
That points towards an intrinsic flaw in the arrangement of/personnel in our defence (in mainly failing to win both the aerial and second ball) which Rodgers needs to fix. That it's been a problem all season is something that worries me slightly.
If his definition of controlling games are passing it around at the back against smaller fish, he's done it again
I think they've made progress, will just take time to turn it around. Signing Sturridge was a step in the right direction. Think it will take a few transfer windows yet though before they'll be challenging for the top four, assuming of course that Rodgers turns out to be as good as they hoped. I personally think he's a decent young manager but I think the step up to Liverpool might have come too soon for him. Swansea had only been up for a season, its really not a lot of experience he's got under his belt. I doubt either that he'll be given the time to turn the club around before the board get impatient and oust him.
To get them back to the level that they were at 08-09 where they got 85pts or whatever it was to me is a good five years away. Considering the amount of money City's owners have tipped into their club and the strength of us and Chelsea, I just don't see them getting to that level any time soon at all.
To get them back to the level that they were at 08-09 where they got 85pts or whatever it was to me is a good five years away. Considering the amount of money City's owners have tipped into their club and the strength of us and Chelsea, I just don't see them getting to that level any time soon at all.
Really cant believe he's pointing the finger at the young players when they had Suarez, Skyrtel, Sturridge, Allen, Sterling, Henderson (and Downing and Gerrard by the end) on the field.
They're all supposed to be first team players, not kids with no experience.
They're all supposed to be first team players, not kids with no experience.
Its like Arsenal though, most of their 'kids' at are at Welbeck's level in terms of senior games played/ Int games, yet Welbeck for us as judged as first team player, yet people like Ramsey for example are thought of as a 'younger generation' almost, they have too many players in their young 20's that look to have peaked and I don't think will kick on from there... Allen, Henderson and Borini are 3 that come to mind, and when two are in the middle of the park... bad times.
surely that would have been a game for Carragher, not Coates
I think Liverpool have improved regarding shape and pattern of play but the quality of player is just not there anymore. A bit like Arsenal in my eyes. With Liverpool Suarez is real quality but apart from him there is only Gerrard who is still capable of special moments but his dynamism has faded sharply with age and he is no longer marauding about the field with intent. Sturridge might help as he is capable but they need to stop signing mid table players if they don't want to stay there. Until they get better players they will continue a long this vein.
His insistence on having Liverpool play this passing game means they have Skrtyl trying to play balls into midfield, when he's fecking terrible at it. If he wants to play that way then bring in players capable of doing it, don't try and make a distinctly average footballer do it.
This also goes for a few of their other shite players. You can't polish a turd, or a selection of turds.
This also goes for a few of their other shite players. You can't polish a turd, or a selection of turds.
I can't understand where he is coming from there. Probably one of the better performers yesterday was Robinson. Wisdom didn't have his best game. Coates was poor but hardly a young one. I can't really understands what he means.
Robinson was shite yesterday! Their right back had a field day.
It would take 5 years if we, Arsenal, City, Spurs and Chelsea all stood still, that isnt going to happen and neither is a Liverpool return to the top 4 without city levels of spending for a very long time.
He was marking Croft mostly. Wabara should really have been looked after by the left midfielder. I didn't think he was shite. I didnt think he played well but no worse than Coates, Wisdom, Brad Jones, Downing or Allen.
Also, given the conditions would it not have been advisable to play a lightly more direct style of football yesterday. That short passing game isn't suited for gale force winds.
And divert from The Philosophy?! Are you crazy?!
The only short passing the next coming of the worlds best strike force did all first half was to the opposition.
Suarez and Sturridge couldnt pass wind never mind the ball, and thats where all their problems stemmed from. They had a piss weak midfield pairing and an inexperienced defence, the idea obviously was to go in all guns blazing and put a few past them, and it would have worked, if it wasnt for those pesky strikers!
The front 4 were fecking awful, which put pressure on the midfield 2 who are poor even on paper, which meant there was constant pressure on the youngsters in defense , eventually they were going to screw up, and they did, hence 3 goals.
Having said that, if the goalie didnt have wrists weaker than a larry grayson tribute act, Pool would probably have won it.
If any player on the pitch wanted a round of fecks thrown at him, it was the goalie (Who was the second longest serving liverpool player on the pitch), not the youngsters.
Yeah he spilled a few easy shots and was poor. Never really rate him.
The thing is they don't even have a "philosophy".
They are a lot less tippy tappy than his Swansea team.
As someone pointed out the only difference seems to be Reina and the defenders passing it around amongst themselves. And this is serving more to make arses of Reina, Skrtel and Agger more than anything else.
They are a lot less tippy tappy than his Swansea team.
As someone pointed out the only difference seems to be Reina and the defenders passing it around amongst themselves. And this is serving more to make arses of Reina, Skrtel and Agger more than anything else.
The knifes will be out for Rodges next week. Arsenal and City away is not going to be fun for them.
Rodgers thinks keeping possession and doing nothing with it = deserving to win and outplaying teams
They may compete a bit with Arsenal but City will most likely destroy them.
Silva, Tevez and Aguero won't have smallest problem against that kind of defending.
All they have to do is watch for Suarez because Sturridge is still raw and Gerrard simply can't be in 100 places at one time.
It's gonna backfire at them as younger players will be even under bigger pressure.
Brendan doing exactly the opposite what Fergie does when building a team from new generation.
Brad Jones? I hope you don't rate him, he is awful.
Rodger the bodger.
I can assure you short passing game is the best suited tactic in gale force winds! Not quite sure what your getting at there!
Yeah it's odd because even if you did think the young lads were at fault and didnt rate them you don't say it. How the hell do you expect to sell them on?
Is it feck. I can assure you that in Gale force winds you pay the conditions, and that means that you either run the ball or you fecking lump it and play percentage football. Passing the ball from the back, especially with an inexperienced back 5 none of whom seemed able to actually pass isn't the right thing to do. Passing can be hard enough in good conditions never mind that.
Nope, Lawman's right. In general the most effective approach to a game in high winds is short passing on the ground. 'Running the ball' isn't the answer to any kind of match; at any decent level you're going to have to pass it around regardless of the conditions. And 'lumping it' is obviously a moronic solution, because the ball will get blown all the feck over the place. Presumably you've played football before, but based on those suggestions it's clear you've not played in high winds.
OT, sorry. Um... Rodgers is a muppet?
I played Sunday League football in the west of Ireland for years. The windiest conditions imaginable with some pitches actually on the very edge of the Atlantic ocean. If you don't have players capable of playing really neat football all you are doing by trying to play 20-30 yard passes at the back is risking giving the ball away in a dangerous position. Liverpool didn't have players capable of playing the ball on the ground in those conditions so the alternative game plan would have been to play the percentages ala Stoke. The ball gets blown all over the place, so defenders make mistakes and struggle under high balls and running the channels is also very effective, again something which they failed to do.
Remember we had a game in ridiculous conditions last year. We beat a much better passing side 3-0 by hoofing the ball into the wind in the second half. Most of our hoofs turned into through balls as it was impossible to judge. The opposition when playing into the wind tried a short game and couldn't get out of their half.
Maybe this is where the disagreement stems from then. I play for my uni side, and we're pretty decent on the ground (by necessity, since we've got a real lack of height in the squad). Our first response to a game in high winds is 'keep it on the ground lads', because we're the ones who'll suffer if the ball is flying all over the place. On the other hand, the wind affects the ball least when it's on the ground, and keeping it low has never proved problematic for us. In general, we find we do best against the big Stokey teams when it's windy, because they can't find their big front men the way they usually would.
Similarly, Liverpool were the better passing team and Oldham the more used to scrappy, physical football. So Liverpool weren't necessarily wrong to want to keep the ball down. Although obvious other circumstances - particularly the fact that they aren't as good at the short-passing game as they think they are, and that they weren't playing lots of their short-passing players - meant it wasn't a good idea.
I've seen goal kicks from a decent kicker going out for a corner direct. Amazing wind around the coast of Sligo some times.
We played a side from Donegal (next stop Iceland!) in the FAI Junior Cup a few years ago and the weather was absolutely atrocious. Our goalkeeper took a goalkick and it just went straight up in the air, a huge gust of wind took it into the Atlantic Ocean.
I'd never seen anything like it before, nor since.
Yeah, that's the conditions over here in Donegal/Sligo. I did have a chuckle when Brightonian suggested that it was clear that I'd never played in strong winds.
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