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JUPITER said:
Fair points, though it could be that the club wanted such a clause in order to ensure they had a 'get out' if things started going awry, a safety net if you will. I agree that before last season it would be daft/superfluous of the club to insert such a clause, but after last season it's feasible.

I really do feel that the ambition of the club will see Rodgers sacked if you crash out of Europe at the group stages and fail to finish top 4. I think if he can rescue a decent CL campaign he'll be safe, and likewise if he gets top 4 he'll be safe.

Going slightly off topic, but after watching footy for so many years I think you can see in press conferences/interviews when a manager is under 'serious pressure', I remember last season when all the 'sense talkers' were saying that Moyes' job was safe and he was 'going nowhere' etc, yet his interviews grew increasingly nervy and intense to the point where he was just completely frazzled - it was obvious that he knew he was drifting toward the sack.

To me Rodgers has started to look more nervy than usual - eyes darting around in post match interviews, talking way less about tactics than he usually does, appearing more cagey in general - do you agree, or have I read him wrong?
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I'd like to see the back of him as he had liverpool playing some frighteningly good football last season.

I doubt there was any expectations of this Champions League campaign as many of their squad including the manager has 0 experience in the competition. They were 3rd seeds or something so you can be sure they won't beat Real Madrid or whatever 1st seed they drew, just look at City, shows you how difficult it is to qualify from your group.

They're a young team, they always have ups and downs, especially without their goalscorer. It would be a hilarious knee jerk reaction to let Rodgers go.
 
Manucho the boss said:
I doubt there was any expectations of this Champions League campaign as many of their squad including the manager has 0 experience in the competition.
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We should be getting out of the group. My expectations before the season started were retaining top four, getting out of the group stages of the CL and hopefully winning a trophy.
Manucho the boss said:
They're a young team, they always have ups and downs, especially without their goalscorer. It would be a hilarious knee jerk reaction to let Rodgers go.
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Agreed.
 
A young team with some very talented players...and also a lot of expensively assembled dross.
 
TwoSheds said:
A young team with some very talented players...and also a lot of expensively assembled dross.
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That's the real issue isn't it, or at least I think it is, the amount he spent in the Summer. You can't spend 120 million in one window and then crash out of the top 4. Same goes for LvG, if we don't get top 4 I think he'll be out too.
 
I think it's different for LVG in that he inherited a club in chaos that had just finished 7th and lost most of its experienced leaders. Rodgers had narrowly missed out on the title and only lost one significant player - anything below 4th is pretty underwhelming.
 
JUPITER said:
That's the real issue isn't it, or at least I think it is, the amount he spent in the Summer. You can't spend 120 million in one window and then crash out of the top 4. Same goes for LvG, if we don't get top 4 I think he'll be out too.
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That's definitely the issue.
 
BarneyLFC said:
I think we'll finish 3rd or 4th, I do think we'll get out of our group and I think we have a decent shot at the league cup.
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Where do you think you'll finish in the Premier League?
 
Colin129 said:
Oh the delusion, *sighs*
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Not that I'm making bold predictions (I'm not that bold yet, :) ) but is it really unimagineable? Will it really be a fairytale for us if that happened?

Obviously if we continue playing like we have we're not getting any of those. Nor are we staying in the premiership, I reckon we could relegated playing like this all season. But are we going to play like this all season? Are you? Are Arsenal?

I would hazard a guess no, none of us will. Therefore if we improve to somewhere near normality then getting out of the CL groups and at least trying to win the Carling should be realistic. 3rd/4th maybe also but that's a longer pattern that no one guess at right now.

I will end on the disclaimer that, as above, we have to come out of the dross we're playing right now. I'm hoping we will, Sturridge returning might offer us some respite.
 
Dumbstar said:
Not that I'm making bold predictions (I'm not that bold yet, :) ) but is it really unimagineable? Will it really be a fairytale for us if that happened?

Obviously if we continue playing like we have we're not getting any of those. Nor are we staying in the premiership, I reckon we could relegated playing like this all season. But are we going to play like this all season? Are you? Are Arsenal?

I would hazard a guess no, none of us will. Therefore if we improve to somewhere near normality then getting out of the CL groups and at least trying to win the Carling should be realistic. 3rd/4th maybe also but that's a longer pattern that no one guess at right now.

I will end on the disclaimer that, as above, we have to come out of the dross we're playing right now. I'm hoping we will, Sturridge returning might offer us some respite.
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Now you are going too far the other way. As hilarious as that might be, you lot aren't getting relegated any time soon.
 
Dumbstar said:
Not that I'm making bold predictions (I'm not that bold yet, :) ) but is it really unimagineable? Will it really be a fairytale for us if that happened?

Obviously if we continue playing like we have we're not getting any of those. Nor are we staying in the premiership, I reckon we could relegated playing like this all season. But are we going to play like this all season? Are you? Are Arsenal?

I would hazard a guess no, none of us will. Therefore if we improve to somewhere near normality then getting out of the CL groups and at least trying to win the Carling should be realistic. 3rd/4th maybe also but that's a longer pattern that no one guess at right now.

I will end on the disclaimer that, as above, we have to come out of the dross we're playing right now. I'm hoping we will, Sturridge returning might offer us some respite.
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Can you just clear up what level you think "normality" is? The form that got you 2nd or the previous years of 7th-8th-6th?
 
Pexbo said:
Can you just clear up what level you think "normality" is? The form that got you 2nd or the previous years of 7th-8th-6th?
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Normality on the football pitch first. Results will come. I've seen Rodgers turn a bunch of misfits like Allen, Flanno, Henderson, Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge (yes those two were misfits too) into a well oiled footballing machine. Suarez was a bit fat cherry on top but he was not the cake as you lot seem to believe.

Without our cherry our cake isn't going to win any prizes, so not 1st/2nd etc. But if we get the mixture right and start playing like we did last season, and the season before that, then we should be aiming for 3rd/4th spot realistically.
 
I feel Rodgers buy's would of been fine if they had retained Suarez. Everyone was saying last season that they benefited from not playing in the CL and they would struggle without being able to rotate their squad. Rodgers brought in good depth (Lambert, Can, Markovic, Lallana, Lovren, Manquilo) for the Champions League. Many of them players could go on to be first team regulars with the exception of Lambert. You would argue that Manquilo, Moreno and Can are improvements on what they previously had already, and maybe Lallana.

Problem is they lost their main man and didn't replace him with any star quality. It's difficult to say who was out there to replace him but clearly Balotelli was not the answer.
 
Sanchez was clearly the right answer, and we offered more money than Arsenal. But he wanted to be in the city of London so turned us down.

We did scout and then successfully outbid for star quality. It just so happens we ended up with sh*t on our shoes and had to settle for Balotelli as there was literally no one left.

The only other realistic options were Falcao and Remy, both injury riddled. Seems like rejecting both (or them turning us down) was a genius move on our part in hindsight. Remy hardly played 20 minutes for Chelsea before he carked it. Imagine having the weight of Suarez on his shoulders at Pool while Sturridge was out. His bones would have turned to dust.
 
Dumbstar said:
But if we get the mixture right and start playing like we did last season, and the season before that, then we should be aiming for 3rd/4th spot realistically.
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Didn't you finish 7th the season before last? And while we're at it, your form in the first half of 2013-2014 was hardly good. After 19 games you were in 5th place just 2 points ahead of us with the same number of defeats to your name.

Essentially what made last season a success was that 3 month, 11 game winning run in spring when you scored 38 goals, an outlandish bit of form when that cabal of key players all hit career best form at once (perhaps not Gerrard's best), including a genuine world class talent having the season of a lifetime. It does increasingly look like the great form was the exception, and the 18 months before and the 6 months since are the norm.
 
They ought to be doing better than they are though. That Gerrard v Chelsea DM video is pretty damning, the GK isn't helping. There's 2 things that are fairly easily solved.
 
bishblaize said:
Didn't you finish 7th the season before last? And while we're at it, your form in the first half of 2013-2014 was hardly good. After 19 games you were in 5th place just 2 points ahead of us with the same number of defeats to your name.

Essentially what made last season a success was that 3 month, 11 game winning run in spring when you scored 38 goals, an outlandish bit of form when that cabal of key players all hit career best form at once (perhaps not Gerrard's best), including a genuine world class talent having the season of a lifetime. It does increasingly look like the great form was the exception, and the 18 months before and the 6 months since are the norm.
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I knew someone would come up with the stats, was expecting gasmanc.

Anyway, my reference was to the brand of football we played for considerable parts of the last two seasons. If we can manage that level of footballing play then with everyone's league positions as they are right now we'll have a good chance.
 
In fairness, the Suarez situation was imposed on him later in the summer. What he did with the money is scandalous. Seriously doubt he will get sacked though. It would be pointless and even more destabilizing to the squad given there aren't any good managers available right now.
 
Dumbstar said:
Normality on the football pitch first. Results will come. I've seen Rodgers turn a bunch of misfits like Allen, Flanno, Henderson, Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge (yes those two were misfits too) into a well oiled footballing machine. Suarez was a bit fat cherry on top but he was not the cake as you lot seem to believe.

Without our cherry our cake isn't going to win any prizes, so not 1st/2nd etc. But if we get the mixture right and start playing like we did last season, and the season before that, then we should be aiming for 3rd/4th spot realistically.
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:lol:

Keep on deluding yourself in believing that.
 
The next Kevin Keegan. Fluked a 2nd position one season. No defensive nous.
 
To think he was one Steven Gerrard slip away from being the most annoying man on the planet.
 
it's the way he dismissively said they wouldn't waste the money like Tottenham did that makes me chuckle.
 
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Someone needs to shop that. I would, but I don't have the talent.
 
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