I am not so sure. I initially thought that season 5 will show him rise and become a drug lord or something.
It's only after the last episode that it became clear that Hank just might have an inkling as to what Walt it upto.
Television Breaking Bad
- Thread starter Burndogg
- Start date
I am not so sure. I initially thought that season 5 will show him rise and become a drug lord or something.
Oh right - they're not being specific, they're just using vague plot points to sell the show.
I remember an opening scene in Mexico with some people crawling over the floor, or did I dream that? If I didn't, what was that all about again? I think it's the episode when the axe murdering brothers get introduced.
What? No, why? Them 2 have been through the mill together and it would be a deep shame if something like that happened. For me it would be a deep shame anyway.
Oh and Silva, IMDB is like my tv god, don't question the ratings.
Yeah I never understood that either come to think of it.
It was some death ritual thing.
Yeah but feck sake, their suits were fantastic, and they crawl in them?
Implausible!
Implausible!
I don't think it was them that were crawling though, was it? Not sure though.
It was, in their glorious suits.
becoming a crime lord though? It's intentionally over the top.
It starts off as porn for people who are sick of their down-trodden existence working unfulfilling jobs just to live hand to mouth, to break free of the chains and become a badass.. but like meth itself, the high comes at a cost, and the longer we observe Walt, the more we see what he's becoming and are eventually repulsed by it and no longer identify with him.
Yep, they sure did.
It's Santa Muerte, I presumed it was some kind of death deity and I was partially correct, not that difficult to understand to be honest.
Yeah exactly. But for me, the dafter that it gets the less that I identify with it, which is my only reservation with it. It is a fantastic series, it is just that for me, it falls a little short of the popular consensus.
Walt let Jane die and poisoned the kid. When Jesse finds that out, as I imagine that he has to, then he will want to kill Walt.
That's a good point actually. Its easy to forget those things when you watch it all in one go.
I really hate it when this thread is active, it always reminds me that this isn't on TV right now.
Yeah I was thinking about how Jessie must find out, surely in these last episodes he turns against Walt. It will some how tie in with the diner scene we saw at the start of this previous season.
Walt and Jesse's relationship at the starts of S5 is also at the best it ever has been, that cannot last. I think that Walt will confess, perhaps to get back at Jesse in someway. As the series has progressed I feel that Jesse is becoming more human while Walt is becoming less and less human. Walt is actually a bit of a monster in S5 (I have just started watching it) I can see Jesse riding off into the sunset whilst Walt meets a sticky end. This is what I anticipate to happen so I hope that the writers do something else
Agree with all of that except that I think it might be Walt who kills Jesse in the end. Walt has been becoming more and more of a monster as the series progresses, killing Jesse would be the lowest point he could sink to, the point where he is totally beyond redemption. Plus they were originally going to kill Jesse off in season 1 but decided he was too good to lose at that point. Why not kill him now? Walt kills Jesse, then gets his own commupance (Jail? Killed by someone else?) Not exactly a happy ending though...
Jesse killing Walt just because he finds out about his ex and the kid is totally implausible. Hes not a killer except in extreme circumstances, like when his own life is in danger. He wont kill out of spite, and if he does it will be out of character. If he ends up killing Walt it will be under direct threat of being killed himself, and no chance of going to the police. He will go to the police before killing Walt if he has the opportunity.
Did you miss the episode where Jesse was going to kill him for poisoning the kid? Until Walt lied his way out of it. Breaking Bad is a totally implausible series anyway! What we know from the start of season 5 is that Walt is still a free man on his 52nd birthday. I estimate that is about 8 months after season 5 end. If that is correct then Hank can't grass him up, or Walt deals with Hank
This J_H_C guy should keep out of this thread. 
This J_H_C guy should keep out of this thread.
Why is that CRW?
Crazy stupidity annoys me as much as the next guy, but he's making out as if this is Prison Break and late 24. It's not even close.
I have seen neither of those shows. I know that BB is very popular but it is disappointing that posters like CRW get so sensitive over anything less than lavish praise. This is a site for debate after all.
1. That Hank would not suspect Walt throughout the series is impossible.
2. That Jesse, in the early part of the series, would survive in that business at that level is nonsense.
3. That Walt can go around blowing up cars in public places and then just call a two bit lawyer to get it disappeared is just daft.
4. The plane crash was blatantly stupid.
5. The twins as Mexican cartel murderers, do you really think that there is anyone like that who operates in real cartels?
6. Do you think that the train robbery was anything less than ridiculous?
7. Walt manages to just waltz into place like that old people's home and strap people up with bombs. Where is the CCTV or staff being suspicious of the sinister character?
8. Walt kills those two dealers in a public place and just calls his lawyer to have the bodies disappeared by Mike, just like you do.
Those are just bits that I could think of right now. I felt that the show could have been more gritty and less Hollywood fantasy. For me that would have made it that bit better.
Is that Ok CRW, or do you want me to leave the thread as my opinion is not directly in line with yours? Is it such a crime that I would give Breaking Bad 8/10?
2. That Jesse, in the early part of the series, would survive in that business at that level is nonsense.
3. That Walt can go around blowing up cars in public places and then just call a two bit lawyer to get it disappeared is just daft.
4. The plane crash was blatantly stupid.
5. The twins as Mexican cartel murderers, do you really think that there is anyone like that who operates in real cartels?
6. Do you think that the train robbery was anything less than ridiculous?
7. Walt manages to just waltz into place like that old people's home and strap people up with bombs. Where is the CCTV or staff being suspicious of the sinister character?
8. Walt kills those two dealers in a public place and just calls his lawyer to have the bodies disappeared by Mike, just like you do.
Those are just bits that I could think of right now. I felt that the show could have been more gritty and less Hollywood fantasy. For me that would have made it that bit better.
Is that Ok CRW, or do you want me to leave the thread as my opinion is not directly in line with yours? Is it such a crime that I would give Breaking Bad 8/10?
I am in full agreement with every points JHC has made in this debate regarding the incredulity and lack of realism in Breaking Bad. It's an enjoyable watch and I'm looking forward to seeing how they end it, but best television ever? No, thanks.
The show being "implausible" doesnt mean that the characters can start acting out of character and do improbable things without it being stupid and poor writing. When Jesse wanted to kill Walt there was a lot of other things going on as well. It wasnt just because he thought Walt poisoned him, Gus was still in the picture and Walt's crazy actions put Jesse in danger as well.
I personally will find it really poor writing if Jesse kills Walt just because he finds out about the kid and his ex etc. The way Jesse reacted after killing Gayle led him down the road of seeing what a horrible thing murder is. He didnt go the Walt road of becoming more desentizised to violence. Unless Jesse has no opening that allows him to go to the police, him killing Walt wont happen.
I personally will find it really poor writing if Jesse kills Walt just because he finds out about the kid and his ex etc. The way Jesse reacted after killing Gayle led him down the road of seeing what a horrible thing murder is. He didnt go the Walt road of becoming more desentizised to violence. Unless Jesse has no opening that allows him to go to the police, him killing Walt wont happen.
Aye aye aye, Jimmy. It was all in jest. I am not as sensitive but you putting everything down, well...
It's TV. If everything they align there with reality, then whats the point? The point of tv and media is to explore realms of fantasy. But as far as I am concerned, that being used in Breaking Bad is far less as compared to in other shows.
Now to the spoiler part:
1. Why? Would you suspect your closest relative who is amongst the only few people that you share your stuff with at the slightest of inkling?
2. Yes. And the original script had him dead in the first season itself. However, as the season started progressing, his popularity grew, and thats when the producers decided not to kill him. so there ya go.
3. That was a metaphoric situation, more like. Just to show what money had made him now, as he blew up the car in a public place (however there was no one around for miles) and not care about it.
4. The plane crash goes with the series theme actually. That "Every action has consequences". Walt's action to kill that female, made her father go crazy, which resulted in a major disaster.
5. Probably the producers just wanted to make them look more intimate. And it sorta fitted with the drug related revenge they wanted to take from Walt. But I'll agree, even I was a bit confused when both of them were introduced in that first episode.
6. Hey, we have had Vin Diesel fly cars from bridges, Jason Statham do anything he like, and Bruce Willis crash a car into a copter, but no, lets find faults in a tv show as to how they can show a robbery off a moving train.
7. I don't think old age homes have CCTV's. Or do they? And he didn't strap "people". He only strapped Hector Salamanca, who in turn wanted Gus dead. So...why would he report Walt? Plus, I don't think he might have gone in the old age home in any sinister way.
8. Why not? It's a drug filled area, where no one gives two hoots about a kid getting murdered, and they just pass it off as a gang related killing, so why not?
2. Yes. And the original script had him dead in the first season itself. However, as the season started progressing, his popularity grew, and thats when the producers decided not to kill him. so there ya go.
3. That was a metaphoric situation, more like. Just to show what money had made him now, as he blew up the car in a public place (however there was no one around for miles) and not care about it.
4. The plane crash goes with the series theme actually. That "Every action has consequences". Walt's action to kill that female, made her father go crazy, which resulted in a major disaster.
5. Probably the producers just wanted to make them look more intimate. And it sorta fitted with the drug related revenge they wanted to take from Walt. But I'll agree, even I was a bit confused when both of them were introduced in that first episode.
6. Hey, we have had Vin Diesel fly cars from bridges, Jason Statham do anything he like, and Bruce Willis crash a car into a copter, but no, lets find faults in a tv show as to how they can show a robbery off a moving train.
7. I don't think old age homes have CCTV's. Or do they? And he didn't strap "people". He only strapped Hector Salamanca, who in turn wanted Gus dead. So...why would he report Walt? Plus, I don't think he might have gone in the old age home in any sinister way.
8. Why not? It's a drug filled area, where no one gives two hoots about a kid getting murdered, and they just pass it off as a gang related killing, so why not?
I hope you got the answers, Jimmy. It's a good show, a fecking good show at that. But then, at the end, it's the director's imagination and story, and I think he has made a pretty good one, if not thee best?
There's no such thing as "best television ever". But Breaking Bad will leave a mark that not many other television shows have, or will, I'd wager.
He's a good enough character, to be fair.
This is why I've always said it's not a very serious show and I've never thought it is as dark as people say it is. I find it quite light actually, but deep at the same time. It doesn't take anything away from it though. It's still probably my favourite show of all time and that's one of the reasons why.
Sweet!
In regards to the criticisms on the last page, the only thing that took me out of the moment enough with that program were the two brothers admittedly. Totally overblown and out of sync with the rest of the show. Whatever there is to be said about the events of the show themselves, the behaviour of the characters mostly seems in line with what's going on.
Those two were the exception. I think at some times Gus was approaching that but he was such a quality character I just looked past those moments.
Those two were the exception. I think at some times Gus was approaching that but he was such a quality character I just looked past those moments.
It's a bit spoilerish of them to announce that with six episodes to go.
Aye it is actually. But I'd imagine the spin off is set before BB, so you see how he meets Mike and well.....so Mike is in it
I would definitely be interested in a Saul based spin off.
Sure some of the points raised about BB are valid, but for my part TV and movies are escapism, if I want realism Ill watch a documentary or look out of my my window.
Heres hoping for violent Heisenberg style deaths for Skyler and Hank. PLEEEASE!
Sure some of the points raised about BB are valid, but for my part TV and movies are escapism, if I want realism Ill watch a documentary or look out of my my window.
Heres hoping for violent Heisenberg style deaths for Skyler and Hank. PLEEEASE!
Saul in the 80's with Mike seems about right.
For sure.
Twitter: 'Breaking Bad' Season 5 Part 2 premiere date is set | 11th August, 2013.
Freeking August?? I thought it was sooner!