Television Breaking Bad

I liked the episode. Here is what I enjoyed:

- The Skyler scene. Understated, but in a good way.
- Wandering into the Schwartz' house.
- The flashback of Walt's party and Isaac inviting him on a drug raid.
- Jack picking up his cigarette.
- The music at the end and the way he died. There were probably a million ways to finally end it but I reckon they picked a good one.

Here is what I wasn't so keen on:

- Walt explicitly telling Lydia about the ricin - as long as the audience knew what happened I don't think he needed to spell it out.
- Jesse's unrealistic morale. I don't think he had anything to live for - he was broken already, struggling to live with himself, then watched as the Nazi's murdered his girlfriend. I think the writers knew this too, causing them to add the carpentry scene in an attempt to persuade us that he does have some hope left. I half expected/hoped that Jesse would pull the trigger on himself when Walt gave him the gun, but I'm still pleased he got away.
- The final nod/look between Jesse and Walt. More for the audience than the story.

Probably the best series I've watched.



he told her because he wanted for her to know that he killed her. Sexy Bitch.

And that look from Walt to Jesse was fantastic. Full of emotion.
 
Inflammatory contrary opinion article ahoy!

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-case-against-breaking-bad,101439/

*stands back*


He makes some fair points whether he's intentionally trolling or not. The female characters are a bit crap but then you can criticize loads of shows for that. Basically shows written by men will most likely have weaker female characters and vice versa I should imagine but there aren't that many in the first place.

He's wrong about Isaac though. He was one dimensional when the show started (I think even Norris and Gilligan have said as much) but came into his own in Season 3.

Again though maybe that's a side effect of the way the show was written. From what has been posted about them putting in flashbacks without any forward planning and even proposing killing off Jesse in Season 1 it does seem as if a lot of the arc of the show occurred organically due to feedback from audiences and critics (probably even ratings).

Which is quite ironic when you think about it for a show centered around Chemistry.
 
he told her because he wanted for her to know that he killed her. Sexy Bitch.


Isn't she? Women with those kind of emotional issues are a riot in the sack.

That's why I don't buy into the last episode being Walts fantasy. Surely part of his fantasy would have involved him getting it on with Lydia? And his sister in law. Maybe at the same time even.
 
Which is quite ironic when you think about it for a show centered around Chemistry.

maybe the first season only... haha... the one season that almost everybody i know quit after 3 episodes. (too slow they said...)

When the crime start, Breaking Bad start flying high. And is not coincidence. the Wire, Sopranos, godfather...

People loves gangsters and crime stories. Full of wannabes out there.
 
He makes some fair points whether he's intentionally trolling or not. The female characters are a bit crap but then you can criticize loads of shows for that. Basically shows written by men will most likely have weaker female characters and vice versa I should imagine but there aren't that many in the first place.

He's wrong about Isaac though. He was one dimensional when the show started (I think even Norris and Gilligan have said as much) but came into his own in Season 3.

Again though maybe that's a side effect of the way the show was written. From what has been posted about them putting in flashbacks without any forward planning and even proposing killing off Jesse in Season 1 it does seem as if a lot of the arc of the show occurred organically due to feedback from audiences and critics (probably even ratings).

Which is quite ironic when you think about it for a show centered around Chemistry.
Contrary to what everyone else here I really like skyler's character.

Also, that guy probably didn't past season 1 and 2 if he thinks hank was a one dimensional character. They introduced him like that to keep the mood a bit light but he evolved very well.
 
I liked the episode. Here is what I enjoyed:

- The Skyler scene. Understated, but in a good way.
- Wandering into the Schwartz' house.
- The flashback of Walt's party and Isaac inviting him on a drug raid.
- Jack picking up his cigarette.
- The music at the end and the way he died. There were probably a million ways to finally end it but I reckon they picked a good one.

Here is what I wasn't so keen on:

- Walt explicitly telling Lydia about the ricin - as long as the audience knew what happened I don't think he needed to spell it out.
- Jesse's unrealistic morale. I don't think he had anything to live for - he was broken already, struggling to live with himself, then watched as the Nazi's murdered his girlfriend. I think the writers knew this too, causing them to add the carpentry scene in an attempt to persuade us that he does have some hope left. I half expected/hoped that Jesse would pull the trigger on himself when Walt gave him the gun, but I'm still pleased he got away.
- The final nod/look between Jesse and Walt. More for the audience than the story.

Probably the best series I've watched.
Unrealistic morale? He had been treated like an animal by the nazis. Now they're all dead and he has Walt out of his life and a new start. He should be pretty fecking elated to get out of the whole mess able to get a fresh start.
 
maybe the first season only... haha... the one season that almost everybody i know quit after 3 episodes. (too slow they said...)

When the crime start, Breaking Bad start flying high. And is not coincidence. the Wire, Sopranos, godfather...

People loves gangsters and crime stories. Full of wannabes out there.


Funny you should say that actually. I know I'm risking the wrath of a fair few on here but it's one of the reasons I could never get into the Sopranos. I find the whole Mafia genre done to death.
 
I think Skylar hate largely tailed off near the end of this last season, or at least people seemed to like her scenes if not the character.
 
Funny you should say that actually. I know I'm risking the wrath of a fair few on here but it's one of the reasons I could never get into the Sopranos. I find the whole Mafia genre done to death.

Like Love movies, War movies, etc... done to death, but if they are well done, no problem.

U should get back to Sopranos ASAP :cool:
 
I think Skylar hate largely tailed off near the end of this last season, or at least people seemed to like her scenes if not the character.

Skylar is hated because she cheat on Walt... maybe.

Anyway, she was pushed to it... Walter was an ass-hole for not telling her sooner what he was doing.

I like her a lot... strong character. Stood by Walt's side until she though he killed Hank. Fair enough.
 
feckin Hell. I've only seen the Issac thing now. Absolutely brilliant. Issac "Hank" Shrader. I'm off for a Shraderbrau in celebration of that. Issac! :lol:
 
Contrary to what everyone else here I really like skyler's character.

Also, that guy probably didn't past season 1 and 2 if he thinks hank was a one dimensional character. They introduced him like that to keep the mood a bit light but he evolved very well.
Stood by Walt's side until she though he killed Hank.

Ffs, his name's Isaac, get it right next time.
 
That's actually real isn't it? I feel like I'm going to have to watch it despite the complete shambles it's bound to be by comparison.
 
C'mon it'll probably be better. Get some great Spanish directors to guest direct and were landed.
 
Well it should be good for us, I'm sure all our Spanish improved this summer thanks to twitter so this will give us a chance to further advance our education.

I mean, I've just found out that blanco is white. I would have known that anyway but if you asked me what white was in Spanish I wouldn't have been able to answer it.

So I'm learning already.
 
We should really be discussing this in the BB thread, but I agree with RiP. The last half of season 5 was incredible, but audience satisfaction was a rather compromised way to go out for me. I'd much rather the story teller pose something provocative or unadulterated. But that's my prerogative. I don't think these epic genre spanning super shows should exist to provide the audience with satisfying resolutions. That's what sets them apart, surely?

I was quite surprised it did end that way to be honest. I was saying to JohnLocke I think it was 3 weeks ago I thought they were going to get The Shield on our asses, in retrospect maybe I was just getting carried away with all the excitement but I thought they would be a bit more daring. I enjoyed the ending but the more time elapsed and the more I thought about it, the more meh it felt. As you said, it was an ending that pretty much anyone could write, it dotted the i's and crossed the t's in the most obvious way possible, and left it all neat and tidy. The Shield is not the best or most original show ever made but damn that ending played on my mind for weeks after I first saw it, I could barely get anything else done. Its a hard example to live up to but BB could certainly have got a bit closer to it than it did.
 
I was quite surprised it did end that way to be honest. I was saying to JohnLocke I think it was 3 weeks ago I thought they were going to get The Shield on our asses, in retrospect maybe I was just getting carried away with all the excitement but I thought they would be a bit more daring. I enjoyed the ending but the more time elapsed and the more I thought about it, the more meh it felt. As you said, it was an ending that pretty much anyone could write, it dotted the i's and crossed the t's in the most obvious way possible, and left it all neat and tidy. The Shield is not the best or most original show ever made but damn that ending played on my mind for weeks after I first saw it, I could barely get anything else done. Its a hard example to live up to but BB could certainly have got a bit closer to it than it did.
Yeah I guess it sums up what I feel too Adebisi. Though I insist that there were some great scenes in the finale, I loved the one with Gretchen and Elliott (all of it, right from the moment you see Walt lurking in the shadows) and his monologue to Skyler which was well done I thought.
 
Really loved the laser pen scene, but Elliot's acting in it was fecking appalling. Loved it overall. Behind The Wire but ahead of The Sopranos for me.
 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/was-the-breaking-bad-finale-all-just-a-fantasy-in-walter-whi

Sorry if it's already been posted.

Another view is that when Walt has left the diner/bar, he's gone to the car and struggled to get away. The cops are surrounding the car, he drops his keys in his lap and falls asleep - and the rest is his fantasy.

I think he's thought too much into it (the guy on the link), but worth a read for those of you interested in that sort of shiz.

I'm with Norm on this one. The cops inexplicably leaving and the über-convenient dropping of the keys immediately made me suspect we were now in dreamland and the rest of the episode does very little to weaken that theory. Quite pleased to be on the same wavelength as one of the few comedic geniuses of our time tbh.
 
Quite pleased to be on the same wavelength as one of the few comedic geniuses of our time tbh.

:lol:

What? Just because you agree with what a 'genius' has to say, doesn't make you one! I don't get why you're so chuffed about that to be perfectly honest, man!

Also, the 'theory' is complete tosh. Those inaccuracies, e.g. the ricin in the sachet, the snow not being disturbed on the car where Walt hid etc., are scattered everywhere throughout the entire series. Fanbois try to explain them by giving them undue nods to previous subplots/unrelated cultural references, but the fact of the matter is that they are simply plot holes. Minor ones, but plot holes nonetheless.
 
:lol:

What? Just because you agree with what a 'genius' has to say, doesn't make you one! I don't get why you're so chuffed about that to be perfectly honest, man!

Also, the 'theory' is complete tosh. Those inaccuracies, e.g. the ricin in the sachet, the snow not being disturbed on the car where Walt hid etc., are scattered everywhere throughout the entire series. Fanbois try to explain them by giving them undue nods to previous subplots/unrelated cultural references, but the fact of the matter is that they are simply plot holes. Minor ones, but plot holes nonetheless.

It's a bullshit theory simply because it's not that sort of show and Gilligan has been completely open about what he wrote into it and why.
 
Obviously it's not Walt's dream/fantasy because the flash forwards from the start of the season would then have to be in his dream, which wouldn't have existed or have been written at that point. :lol:
 
Obviously it's not Walt's dream/fantasy because the flash forwards from the start of the season would then have to be in his dream, which wouldn't have existed or have been written at that point. :lol:

:lol: I hadn't even thought of that.
 
Obviously it's not Walt's dream/fantasy because the flash forwards from the start of the season would then have to be in his dream, which wouldn't have existed or have been written at that point. :lol:
Well they could still say that was part of the dream if they wanted to even if it wasn't the intention at the time of writing. It's not though. The theory is a load of shit and the product of some cnut who's done a film studies course and thinks he's smarter than he is.