Symbolic reasons is why. fecking mow em down and all their employees at HQ.
Television Breaking Bad
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His pride has been fecking him over since day one, he'd have got out of the meth game ages ago if it wasn't for his pride, his whole thing with gus was about him taking too big a slice of what he considered 'his' money.
I get that he has the motive to mow them down, it'd just be surprising to me if the writers went with them, who haven't really been in the show at all since the second season, over the Nazi's, who have basically been the main villains for season five.
Does Walt really know that the blue meth is back in the market? And that Todd, Jack and co are cooking meth?
There's no real evidence that Elliot and Gretchen actually fecked Walt over. It's presented quite even handedly. When Walt accuses Gretchen of it she acts surprised says something along the lines of "you don't actually see it like that do you?" The only thing we're told in any detail is that it was Walt who left Gretchen, suddenly, at a family retreat and then sold his stake in the company.
For all we know, this was just yet another bad decision made by Walt. In a show based around the bad decisions made by Walt.
As for the heinous act of distancing themselves from a meth king pin, what company in the World wouldn't do that? To her credit she does at least say what a sweet, kind and brilliant man he was.
It might plausibly be interesting to find out what actually happened - or indeed see him get revenge - in the last ep, but I'd tend to agree it would seem like a needless side show. Neither of them have been in the show since season 2.
Unless the untold story of what happened with Grey Matter is crucially central to the entire premise of the show, it would be a weird coda.
For all we know, this was just yet another bad decision made by Walt. In a show based around the bad decisions made by Walt.
As for the heinous act of distancing themselves from a meth king pin, what company in the World wouldn't do that? To her credit she does at least say what a sweet, kind and brilliant man he was.
It might plausibly be interesting to find out what actually happened - or indeed see him get revenge - in the last ep, but I'd tend to agree it would seem like a needless side show. Neither of them have been in the show since season 2.
Unless the untold story of what happened with Grey Matter is crucially central to the entire premise of the show, it would be a weird coda.
You can have it, no one laughed.Hey man that was my joke from last week
Yeah I agree. It would seem strange for him to kill them. In fairness to Walt most the people (if not all) he has killed have actually had some form of evil or had potential to bring down his "empire" I don't think that's the case with Grey Matter. I think that scene was to give him the motivation to go back, as has been mentioned by them saying the Blue meth was still on the market it shows Jesse is still alive or someone is robbing his product and it just showed his pride again. It would be a strange final if it was bringing in 2 character who haven't been seen in about 3 seasons.
I thought it was a really good episode, it's brilliantly written and I think the second half has been really good. I'm starting to find myself siding with Walt now again and kind of hope he gets away with it. I don't think him and Jesse will both die. It would be typical of the show to kill Jesse and let Walt live and get away with it.
Could be mentioned in that pile of newspapers that was brought up.
Don't think so. The cuttings that he collected over the months were all about the White family and the trial.
The interview with Elliot and Gretchen just mentions Walt as the kingpin and the traces of blue meth around the Southwest and Europe. I don't think there was any mention of the blue meth coming up again.
All I can think is Walt wants to have a go at Jack and co because 1) they killed Hank and 2) because they stole the money which was for his family. Neither does he know about the blue meth, nor does he has anything to do with it (anymore!).
The ricin part is still open to debate. Could be for anyone.
I can see Walt "getting away with it" on the basis that he is going to die from his cancer anyway. Success or failure for Walt doesnt really hinge on whether he lives or dies, but on his legacy and the question he keeps coming back to of whether it was all worth it. And given there seems to be no chance of him getting the money to his family, a positive ending for him seems unlikely. In that sense a blaze of glory would presumably be a good result for him, and something rather more anti-climactic (living, but without closure or resolution) is more likely.
Both very good reasons and enough for him to act alone, really.
I think he will be able to put 2 and 2 together.
1. Todd took over the reins from Walt still using Lydia as his seller.
2. The product was terrible so they tried to get him back.
3. He knows Todd, Jack and Co decided to keep Jesse alive.
4. Suddenly the blue Crystal is back on the scene.
It doesn't take a chemistry teacher to work it out.
Lots of combinations.
1. He doesn't knows whether Jesse is still alive or not.
2. He didn't cook that one batch he promised to them.
3. He still doesn't knows whether the blue meth is back. Or does he?
Yeah I can't really see him go after Grechen and Elliot with the gun. It'd be more like Ricin poisoning. Go teach them a lesson and then hit the Nazis
I thought the implication was Walt left Gretchen because he knew she and Elliot were having an affair? Shame they didn't develop how deep Walt and Gretchen were but young professionals in America have a tendency for early marriage, or something. Maybe?
They said on the TV report the blue meth was back. Hence why they asked if Walt was still alive as they think he's the only 1 who can do it.
Walt knows Jesse could make it as well so is able to work out he's still alive as he has to be cooking the blue meth.
I kinda got the impression that it is central to the premise of the show. Whilst we do not know what happened at Grey Matter, it's enough to assume that Walt wasn't overly happy about it. A genius stuck as a secondary school teacher knowing that he could have had millions (in his opinion). Then there's the News report about the crystal meth bust which causes Walt to perk up his ears for the first time, asking Hank just how much was seized.
I genuinely feel that Walt blames Elliot and Gretchen for his plummet into financial mediocrity, and Walt will blame everybody else but himself. When he's Walt he seems to be slightly more self honest, but when he switches to Heisenberg he's a pride filled monster. I think what he saw at the end of the most recent episode was Walt sliding into Heisenberg mode with a desire to make Elliot and Gretchen pay.
Dunno...we shall see
Can't wait1. The blue meth being back is an indication to Jesse being alive and cooking.
2. Because he didn't cook that bacth, there's no other way than Jesse that they could be cooking blue.
3. He knows the blue meth is back because the talk host just told him it was when he told Gretchen and Elliot that the blue meth was still being cooked.
I kinda got the impression that it is central to the premise of the show. Whilst we do not know what happened at Grey Matter, it's enough to assume that Walt wasn't overly happy about it. A genius stuck as a secondary school teacher knowing that he could have had millions (in his opinion). Then there's the News report about the crystal meth bust which causes Walt to perk up his ears for the first time, asking Hank just how much was seized.
I genuinely feel that Walt blames Elliot and Gretchen for his plummet into financial mediocrity, and Walt will blame everybody else but himself. When he's Walt he seems to be slightly more self honest, but when he switches to Heisenberg he's a pride filled monster. I think what he saw at the end of the most recent episode was Walt sliding into Heisenberg mode with a desire to make Elliot and Gretchen pay.
Dunno...we shall see
I'd agree if there was more time in the show, there's an hour left though and it would be very rushed for them to just bring in this story. Most viewers will want to see either the demise of Walt or the Nazi's more so than that of Grey Matter. Whilst they clearly showed Walt was annoyed I think that was just a way of progressing the story and giving him some motivation to not hand himself in just yet.
Like you say though, we have to wait and see, it's not an easy show to predict. Is set up nicely though!
I doubt he'll go after Gretchen and Elliot. They just served as his motivation for one last hurrah. He wants to go out with a bang.
Going after Elliot and Gretchen would seem like the height of misplaced anger. It has to be the Nazis.
I reliased after seeing him again that Elliot is the over the top British guy from Suits.
Yeah I had also totally forgotten that until I saw him again. His ears don't seem as big in Breaking Bad.
I hope Elliot and Gretchen team up with the Nazi's, form their new company Nazimatter and then ricin themselves in a bid to frame Walt. Walt convinces Saul to be his new hitman, which leads us to Sauls new series where he settles past scores for Walt. Between Sauls hits and Todd's constant murders to scare Jessie, all the previous cast members should be dead.
The Ricin is for himself. I reckon he'll get his vengeance and then hand himself in to the Dea and poison himself so he controls what happens. The more I think about it he will have revenge on grey matter but I think he'll try to bring them down financially by making it clear in public he was a bigger part in the company. The gun is for the Nazis though as nothing else makes sense.
We will not see Saul again.
Walts family will survive.
Jesse will escape with the Nazis money.
Walt will kill himself in jail.
He'll give Lydia to the cops
Nazis will be murdered.
Anyone else?
We will not see Saul again.
Walts family will survive.
Jesse will escape with the Nazis money.
Walt will kill himself in jail.
He'll give Lydia to the cops
Nazis will be murdered.
Anyone else?
Ah, yes. That slipped out of my mind.
But I would assume that Walt is done and dusted with the meth. At least now.
I hope Walt tries to get revenge and fails miserably. feck Walt, he doesn't deserve vindication.
feck off!
Walt must win!
Walt must win!
He's already lost.
No, he hasn't. If he gets the money and survives death or jail then he wins.
I'm telling you he'll win and lose at the same time.
Nobody has won or will win. Everyone has lost. Jesse has been through more than most will in a lifetime in 2 years, Walt has destroyed his entire family. Saul has lost his career. Marie has lost her husband. I found the "It can't have all been for nothing" line to Walt Jr one of the most poignant in the whole show, because it will have been. It really is quite tragic and it seems I am one of the few who does feel sorry for Walt.
He has to get the money to his family, untraceably, and have them accept it to win. Being alive on the run with money is exactly the same situation he was in in this episode.
He's lost the war. The most he can do is win a battle.
I agree with that, he keeps saying that or implying it, this is what I was saying earlier about the question of winning and losing, as far as Walt is concerned it can only really be measured by whether his actions can ever be judged, in any way at all, to have benefited his family.
Watching Jesse in the van after whatshername had just been killed I was struck by how much he has gone through in the show, how far he has come from the cocky little muppet with his shit little website and his meth with chilli in it, to the broken man he is now. I guess in that sense they havent wasted the last few episodes with Jesse. But to go back again to the feeling in episode 14 that it was kind of wrapped up already, it would be a horrible but quite fitting ending if he had been enslaved by the nazis in perpetuity, confined to a life of cooking meth, chained up in a dungeon.
I knew a girl who called herself July.
Her name was Julie.
Her name was Julie.
He could fake his own death and flee they country. feck his family; life goes on.