Why, though? Shaw's done nothing this season to suggest he warrants any more playing time than Williams and he's had plenty of opportunity throughout the years to nail down a spot. He hasn't managed to do that and the club is rightly choosing to develop another player instead, if Shaw wants his place back he should have to earn it back, which he hasn't so far.
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Nah, I think Shaw got a proper battle on his hands now.
Because Shaw is better than Williams, why else? The issue here, as seems to always be the case, is that we deviate from THE standard, and start assessing by alternate standards, typically constructed to fit academy players.
Williams is playing well in the context of his own entire picture of a developing 19 year old. As two nameless and faceless left-backs, he’s not playing better than Shaw has been of late.
I’m not Shaw’s biggest fan myself, but he’s better than Williams. I’d have no issues with us selling Shaw and getting a better left back than him to be first choice. I would have an issue with us selling Shaw and making Williams the first choice though. It will be another example of lowering our standards to meet the maximum of an individual, as opposed to keeping the standard of being a United regular where it is and a player needing to meet that. Because Williams has done well and done himself credit doesn’t mean that his own best has now become the best we should demand. I acknowledge he is developing and has a chance of reaching that standard, which is why he should be second choice to someone better than him until he does, or is closer to it than he is now at least.
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These are all fair points but I tend to feel that what made him great at youth level, his marauding runs leading to penetration beyond the lines, doesn't exist at senior level because he's levelled out physically. Perhaps when he grows a bit he'll be able to bring this into his game but I just feel his strongest quality at youth level isn't there in the senior game.
I agree that Shaw's the better player but I personally don't think Shaw's been playing like the better player. I don't think Williams is the next Marcelo by a long shot but I've preferred his performances at full back to Shaw's, his mobility and energy are something I've just not seen from Shaw in a long time, the Arsenal game really stuck out to me as a mark against Shaw, there was just no fight in him or desire there. Shaw has had some good games recently but I'd say his 2 best came as part of a back 3, which to his credit he seems well suited for. However, as an out and out full back right now I'd persist with Williams, I know Williams isn't the finished article and you're right, we shouldn't lower our standards to meet his current level I just believe his current level has been the highest of our 2 LBs this season (which says more about our LB situation than anything else).
I think we just have differences in our opinions, I think your comments on Shaw are fair I just personally haven't been impressed enough by him to think that Williams shouldn't continue starting at present. You're not wrong about needing a new LB though, I've been saying for a while that I'd get rid of Shaw in the summer and look for a starting quality LB, it's an area I think we've been in serious need for a few seasons now and there's a lot of good up and coming LBs we should be looking at.
Yeah, 3 reactions and not a single argument right there, who would say that right? Most stupid might be that part that I will be newbie forever (like it matters), because I have a different opinion.
You can't seriously believe he's 5'7
Dont know about imperial units and I have no idea what 5'7 means, but he is 172 cm according to Sofa and 171 cm according to whoscoted. Looking at some pictures he looks like similar height like Olé or Greenwood who are suposed to be around 180 cm, so that info from sofa or whoscoted might be wrong. Dunno. He is still weak in duels though.
Yeah, 3 reactions and not a single argument right there, who would say that right? Most stupid might be that part that I will be newbie forever (like it matters), because I have a different opinion.
Dont know about imperial units and I have no idea what 5'7 means, but he is 172 cm according to Sofa and 171 cm according to whoscoted. Looking at some pictures he looks like similar height like Olé or Greenwood who are suposed to be around 180 cm, so that info from sofa or whoscoted might be wrong. Dunno. He is still weak in duels though.
I'm not being funny. But I doubt any of us feel like wasting any time putting counter arguments to something so stupid. It's simply a waste of everyone's time. The same way you don't bother to engage flat eathers in debate.
He’s really putting Shaw to shame at left back, love his youthful sense of adventure to it’s unlifting
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Your view of why Liverpool's full backs get a lot of assists is a simple one. Liverpool's tactics are based around them. Their front 3 and midfielders have a lot better off the ball movement than our strikers. Martial and Rashford are both bad players off the ball.
Very promising. Appears determined and aggressive.
Looks like he’s right footed though!
Looks like he’s right footed though!
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Don't think he looked great.
Agree.
Didn't have a good game.
Thought it was one of his poorest games.
He's not a wingback(or a winger). He needs the element of surprise to successfully break through the opponent.
Still young, though. He'll improve.
Still young, though. He'll improve.
Thought he was poor.
This made me laugh
Not really a player for me. West Ham level but not top of the league type of talent.
First half he was naff. Thought he was much better 2nd half.
You basing this off of one below par game?
No.
He’s had more than one below par game for us.
Not the best game, but was not horrible either. Will have ups and downs, but is a very talented player and will improve with time aa long as he rwmains fit.
I don't think he's suited to being a wing back. Never feels like he's comfortable playing there
He is also playing a bit safe imo, seems to be concentrating on defense than attack. In the reserves he would attack well, but could be defensively suspect at times.
Yes, when we are playing Chelsea away, in a game that is a MUST win. Certainly he concentrates on defence.
This was almost certainly what he was instructed to do though. He was fine tonight, not his best game but not awful. Like AWB he was playing in a slightly unfamiliar position against a very good side. They each made a few mistakes as a result.
I don’t get why people are saying he’s uncomfortable in this position. When everyone was singing his praises he was basically playing as a LW or inside forward. Always seemed to end up there so it’s not like he can’t play up top.
he’s got loads of cover as well in Shaw and Matic and it’s not like Matic and Fred haven’t been covering him in a lot of the games when he has been a little slow to get back.
Just had a bit of an off game but even then he did do some things that were nice suggesting that he can and probably will get better. I do hate that he always tackles with the wrong foot and dangles limbs across people but doubt he’ll improve that habit at this point.
he’s got loads of cover as well in Shaw and Matic and it’s not like Matic and Fred haven’t been covering him in a lot of the games when he has been a little slow to get back.
Just had a bit of an off game but even then he did do some things that were nice suggesting that he can and probably will get better. I do hate that he always tackles with the wrong foot and dangles limbs across people but doubt he’ll improve that habit at this point.
Far too many poor moments. Really untidy performance.
Thought he was average today. Got outshone by Reece James who I think is a big talent.
Have they started calling him yellow card brendon?
Joke aside, I love his enthusiasm.
Joke aside, I love his enthusiasm.
Was one of his poorer performances.
Probably his worse game to date. His defending was quite erratic and he didn't provide much going forward. Still a young lad, though. He's had more good than bad games, and he'll continue to learn as every game passes.
Great prospect! He'll just get better and better. His playing style reminds of a player we had back in the 60's who's name is John Fitzpatrick, although Brandon is better imo.
Can people who are negating and saying he isn't cut out for United give him a break, he is a teenager, first season in top flight with an imbalanced and ever changing team.
He is least of our worries.
He is least of our worries.
This place loves to shit on our youngsters. They havent the eye for it so take everyrhing negatively when something isnt blindly obvious
He didn't have a great game, but I don't think he was bad. Couple of times he dealt with attackers rather nicely, and considering it is his first season I think it was a positive experience.
It was a tough game with most of Chelsea's attacks coming down our left side. Teenagers are allowed a learning curve, especially if they are academy players. I've seen enough to think he merits more time and the chance to develop. I'm sure he will have a better game next time. If nothing else, i do love his tenacity and the work rate he puts in.
Being young doesn’t necessarily mean he’s going to become good enough for one of the best teams in the world. What does it really matter if someone doesn’t think a footballer is all that? This over defensiveness of young kids doesn’t help anyone, the majority are gone by 22. I don’t personally have any over sentiment to them anymore for this reason, I just look at the footballer. For a top club, I don’t think the footballer, in this case, is all that. So what?
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