Criticising governments is absolutely not racist and I for one agree that some of their conduct is outrageous. However, the selective outrage is where you spot the racist slant.
Boycott The Qatar World Cup?
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Cantona was the face of NIKE for many years, despite this
His points are valid but the hypocrisy surrounding it reek of a phobia for anything that comes from the Middle East (an offshoot of Islamaphobia really).
Being morally outraged about the code of ethics - or lack thereof - in certain parts of the world, yet being sponsored by/wearing shirts emblazoned with the insignia of corporations profiteering off of sweatshops, practically starving local communities (see a very popular cola drinks behaviour in India) is very in vogue these days, particularly on this forum.
I'm sure those of you raucously applauding him sleep much easier knowing you're of such sound character, while at the same time being passive racists.
https://www.newidea.com.au/nike-sweatshops-the-truth-about-the-nike-factory-scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_sweatshops
See my post.
Ah, gotcha, so you can't back it up. You're just calling people you've never met racists because they're displaying what is, for you, selective outrage. Despite having no idea of their political or social views outside of this forum. Cool.
In a thread about Cantona's statement about Qatar's WC where did you expect the outrage go towards?
Well, if you read the entire post it's pretty clear that I'm on about those who ARE selectively outraged.
If there are those who aren't calling for a boycott or making a point about this, just as they haven't for other sporting events, fair enough. And if there are those who make a point of pointing out this sorts of humanitarian violations across the board (to the best of their ability), again, fair enough.
Possibly at Cantona? For having been the face of a corporation that is responsible for decades of humanitarian violations and yet having the nerve to take some moral high ground here.
But, again, you have no idea whether people are being selectively outraged as your basing your judgment solely on your interactions with them on the threads in this forum. Having never met them or spoken to them. Fair enough, if someone has said something racist then yes, call them a racist. Calling people that you don't know racist for exhibiting behaviour that you haven't even witnessed, though, is shitty and to be honest I think you should be ashamed.
You can read my posts in the thread about Beckham. If you open a thread about Cantona and other famous people helping whitewash bad behavior from governments and companies, I promise I'll be there criticizing them.
I don't remember singling anyone out. End of the day, if the shoe fits...
Fair play to you. And my point wasn't at a particular individual, rather to those who display this selective outrage, which let's be honest, does exist. If that's not you, great stuff.
No, you didn't single anyone out. But again, you were accusing members of the forum of being passive racists so my comment stands. As I said, if you've witnessed racist behaviour here then that's disgraceful and you should report but if you're calling people racist for actions that you've not witnessed, again, that's shitty. Nice non sequitur to end on, btw. Utterly meaningless but you could almost fool people into thinking it was clever.
I confess I haven't read the whole thread, I read the first page and could imagine what was being said. Can you quote an example of what you mean?
The great thing about this for @RC89 is it's really tricky to disprove selective outrage, because the accusation relies on a lack of outrage at other things that @RC89 would consider suitable topics for outrage. All this despite the fact that @RC89 is basing this judgment solely on incredibly limited interactions with people he's never met on a forum. But yeah...racists.
You're right. Let me rephrase my last point.
Ha, nice quick delete. Holier than thou passive racism?! Well rephrased...
I literally said you're right and openly stated I'm going to edit my post...
Sorry, I saw you quote your old post rephrased underneath, then delete it. Just wondered why.I literally said you're right and openly stated I'm going to edit my post...
Was meant to edit and ended up replying. I don't post a whole lot.
Ah gotcha, sorry for jumping on you!
Not you but some people roll their eyes at certain criticism that hits too close to home.
Maybe some of the Brits on here can wonder why exactly these immigrant workers are so desperate to work in such conditions from countries like India Bangladesh and Pakistan. I wonder why
Nah, I'll be watching
Not sure how well it will transfer to the screens though in terms of atmosphere and how many fans from around the world will actually go to make it as good as others. I hope it doesn't feel desolate like that Europa final with Chelsea and Arsenal in Baku.
Not sure how well it will transfer to the screens though in terms of atmosphere and how many fans from around the world will actually go to make it as good as others. I hope it doesn't feel desolate like that Europa final with Chelsea and Arsenal in Baku.
White mans entitlement. How dare Qatar a middle eastern country host the football World Cup? They have no footballing culture? they do not get drunk and beat up passersby or opposing fans. They do not make monkey noises or throw bananas at black players. They do not go invading and bombing other countries. Yes boycott them because a white nations lost to them the chance to host it.
Yes. The working conditions of some of the workers are pathetic but that is not the reason why a lot of British people are upset about it. It is all about their entitlement.
Yes. The working conditions of some of the workers are pathetic but that is not the reason why a lot of British people are upset about it. It is all about their entitlement.
As little shit as I give about football these days, not watching will be easy.
Bullshit, South Africa hosted a world cup and nobody was up in arms over a majority black country hosting it. Japan and South Korea have hosted a world cup and nobody was up in arms about it. People were uneasy about Russia hosting which is a white country.
People aren't critical of this world cup because its being hosted by a middle-eastern country, they're critical of a regime which exploits and kills workers for a month of football in order to whitewash their global image.
I'm so pleased that Foxbatt is here to tell me why I'm upset about this World Cup. Having Foxbatt thinking for me makes things so much easier.
Thanks for this. That 6500 number sounded really dodgy all along.
Of course, it's still awful if even 1 life was lost due to labour malpractices
Another fancy name for bringing hell on millions of civilians. When the horrendous human rights abuses are committed by our beloved western democratic regimes, it is no problem. Let's just call it "foreign policy decisions" and move on. We are still holier than thou.
The construction sector in England causes around 61,000 injuries each year. I have no idea how many migrant laborers got hurt in the preparation of that specific event. And I believe most of the infrastructure would have been ready before the decision taken in 2005.
The undocumented migrant working at the building sites are just that. "Undocumented". Even though it is illegal to employ them, the state knows all about them being exploited all around the UK. And the response is definitely not to provide them with protection. The state is actually the greatest threat to their wellbeing.
Why would you assume otherwise? And if it is a start, what is the next step in the right direction, shoul I now burry my head in the sand when it comes to Western Countries abusing human rights ?
I can't even imagine that. Thank you for sharing it. But I still disagree with you saying it is off-topic. When the awful HR record of Qatar is being used to disqualify it as a WC host, it is logical to bring up the HR record of the other hosting candidates.
The Qatari regime, as despicable as it is, didn't kill people for a month of sports. The regime probably bribed FIFA to win. The regime then handed out massive contracts of construction to some European MNCs as explained before. If you are after a serious discussion I refer you to this.
It happened in their jurisdiction. Furthermore the alleged bribing is another reason not to get on board with this world cup. The poster who is was responding to was claiming people don't like it because Qatar is a Middle-Eastern country.
Absolutely. Plus it was a European country who lost to Qatar. Yes the workers are exploited and it has been documented to be so too. But it's a lot better than bombing the hell out of a country and destroying that country under false premises just because you want to steal their oil.
What you wrote is still inaccurate. There are no proofs that people were deliberately killed by the European firms building these stadiums.
Does this argument also applies to Trump’s public threats and alleged backdoor threats+ bribes to the voting countries that ended up winning the US the 2026 edition?
As much as I dislike big corporations and stand appalled by conditions of NIKE workers, there’s a giant difference in being a face of one of the two main football equipment brands in the 10s or so and in holding / supporting a World Cup in a country known for sacrificing thousands of lives to build stadiums in 2022. I fully support all being vocal in their boycott of Qatar WC and think a strong reaction from European countries (I have little hope many other states would care as much) could have a resounding effect.
The argument it shouldn't be held in Qatar because it causes inconvenience for fans of leagues in other parts of the world is nothing short of absurd.
It is after all called the "World" Cup, the fact it's only taking place in the Middle East almost 100 years after the competition originated is quite telling.
By all means boycott it but don't be a hypocrite about it. Boycott the Premier League too where one club, Newcastle, has been allowed to be owned by a state with a much worse human rights record than Qatar.
The Premier League received $500 million from the Qatari-owned Bein Sports to show games in the Middle East, so it's okay to turn a blind eye to what's going on as the long as the money is coming into the PL but not when they are hosting a tournament over there?
Boycott the Champions League where a club owned by the Qatari state, PSG, is allowed to be used for sportswashing.
Of course, that won't happen will it?
If you start cherry-picking what's right and wrong then it's a slippery slope I am afraid.
It is after all called the "World" Cup, the fact it's only taking place in the Middle East almost 100 years after the competition originated is quite telling.
By all means boycott it but don't be a hypocrite about it. Boycott the Premier League too where one club, Newcastle, has been allowed to be owned by a state with a much worse human rights record than Qatar.
The Premier League received $500 million from the Qatari-owned Bein Sports to show games in the Middle East, so it's okay to turn a blind eye to what's going on as the long as the money is coming into the PL but not when they are hosting a tournament over there?
Boycott the Champions League where a club owned by the Qatari state, PSG, is allowed to be used for sportswashing.
Of course, that won't happen will it?
If you start cherry-picking what's right and wrong then it's a slippery slope I am afraid.
I don’t even think it’s very hypocritical, rather human, to take a stand against a thing immoral and inconvenient compared to something immoral but very convenient / entertaining.
I think almost everybody hates what football is becoming with the Citys and now Newcastles of the world getting involved, but there is a difference here. The Premier League and Champions Leagues are huge competitions that have allowed a virus to creep into their ranks, whereas with the World Cup in Qatar the tournament practically IS the virus.
So invasion of another country and causing the suffering of millions of innocent people is just a foreign policy decision to you. It was not worth the discussion with you as it is obvious now what your views represent.
Can you back up your accusation?
I agree largely with all your points, but the likes of the next World Cup will go ahead and be a massive success because those defending it will point to the corruption and sleaze that has gone unchecked elsewhere - why should they be the only ones held accountable?
Also where are the calls for European teams to boycott the tournament? If anything, suggestions of protest are limited to internet forums, there's more chance of United getting their act together this season and winning something than there is of any kind of protest that will make a difference.
The Premier League itself is a virus that was created so a few clubs, including ourselves, could get very, very rich at the expense of the fans.
Now that attitude is reaching a logical phase where it has become so lucrative that cash rich states are investing in it.
You can't complain about a tournament being held in a certain part of the world, with a horrific human rights record, when there are teams in the same league you are attending regularly/ paying subscriptions to watch on television that are owned by those very same regimes who you are directly contributing to when you give the likes of Sky your money.
See my last post.
If i pay money watch the PL, I am contributing to promoting (for the sake of argument) 2 murderous regimes in City and Newcastle out of 20. 10%.
If i watch the Qatar World Cup I am contributing to the promotion of 1 murderous regime out of 1. 100%.
I don't like any of it but one is clearly worse than the other here.