Fair answers. As I said in the other post, I'm talking about the morality of governments and media, not individuals. The only thing the average person in the UK should recognise is that they are very lucky to live there and not many other places.
Boycott The Qatar World Cup?
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Fair answers. As I said in the other post, I'm talking about the morality of governments and media, not individuals. The only thing the average person in the UK should recognise is that they are very lucky to live there and not many other places.
It's interesting that you think there is any similarity between your nephew playing football and billion dollar professional sport, which is corrupt from top to bottom.
But is that not the entire point of raising these complaints? The idea is to drag the government towards the individuals and try to force them to put pressure elsewhere to make it so that the bare minimum (clean drinking water, removal of slavery, allowing people to consensually bang whoever they want) is the case the world over.
Saying “well we can’t complain cos we’ve got it cushty” is the absolute worst way to handle a life of privilege which living somewhere like the UK undoubtedly is.
These are all great questions and I urge people to at least think about what is being said here
The UK isn't though, the UK is perfectly happy to trade with and obfuscate all manner of atrocities, the LGBT thread is literally a direct criticism of a UK minister. And the UK isn't posting here. A good proportion of us aren't even from the UK.
There has also already been an Under-20 World Cup held in Qatar.
Change has almost always come from the privileged and those with means on behalf of those who don't, top down revolution. As a Marxist I favour change from the bottom through organisation and solidarity, but it has rarely been seen in any historical context.
There's been plenty of uproar about those events. Obviously not as much as a World Cup because the World Cup is 10X bigger than all of those things combined.
The UK and US government have blood on their hands. But this thread is about Qatar. It's not difficult to understand folks.
If United were playing at the same time as the final of the WC, I know who I would be watching. I'd be watching in the background not really caring about scorelines. This is as far as my boycott goes.
It's crazy the way my heart works with football and conflicting with my brain. I hope all United players have a great WC and Ronaldo has a terrible WC, obviously without taking anything away from Portugal's progress.
It's crazy the way my heart works with football and conflicting with my brain. I hope all United players have a great WC and Ronaldo has a terrible WC, obviously without taking anything away from Portugal's progress.
I disagree. But why not widen the subject? Isn't it the point to be consistent about these things? As the other poster pointed out, why boycott the WC and not boxing or F1? Qatar and not Saudi? Etc etc.
Exactly. The perfect example was posted yesterday (I actually think it may even have been by you, but I’ll mention it again for anyone who missed it) with Robespierre. He was very much a highly privileged member of society, then he was one of the leaders the revolution.
I’m totally with you on preferring the other method, but as you say it is incredibly rare.
100%. Most of the cries of hypocrisy and based on the assumption we don't know that. It's wild.
Ultimately the position that you cannot condemned human rights abuses and persecution of minorities unless you simultaneously condemn all of the ills of the world is nonsense. People feel emboldened to defend oppression of gay people because deep down they don't object to it.
Or because you have a certain passport.
It's odd to see Israel's human rights abuses cited by those who think pointing out Qatar's is hypocritical, but not North Korea's. Is that ironic hypocrisy?
Surely if you want to talk about Israel's you need to talk extensively about all others at same time. This is how you want this to work, no?
White washing of sports washing since 1936
Surely if you want to talk about Israel's you need to talk extensively about all others at same time. This is how you want this to work, no?
White washing of sports washing since 1936
You disagree with what? That it's sometimes done for the reasons I said?
As for "why not broaden the subject" In this case because it's a massive distraction from the subject at hand. There's plenty of threads in the CE section to talk about Tony Blair.
And "why boycott this but not that", who is doing that? Tag the people who are doing it and ask, I have no idea.
Quit trying to be smart, it was you who said:
To which I responded giving an example of football that is entirely free of objectionable actions. I didn't compare or claim any similarities (if anything I suggested the opposite). I was simple showing your statement up for the nonsense it is.
Try asking Wales football fans to boycott the WC. It's the first time in many decades they've qualified.
The world cup is like football Christmas. Buggered if I'm going to let a bunch of gay-oppressing fecks ruin that
Yeah it's tricky, I love the concept of a world cup and the madness of tournament football, and I struggled with Brazil and Russia but this is just sickening. I can't imagine watching any of it.
I literally told you where mate. Clear as day. But again you choose to ignore it because it inconveniently spotlights your bs.
That's fine. You've been called out, pretended it didn't happen and then went ad hominem. Well played.
Seriously, what are basing this accusation on? I'm really tired of these really serious but apparently baseless accusations.
I hope you're not suggesting that is my stance?
Don't reply to me if you're gonna talk generalities. There's quite obviously virtue signalling and racism going on in the west toward this World Cup. If you yourself have a moral compass and critique both sides, why the feck do you care?
You know damn well what he's referring to. Why are you playing dumb here? first replying to me with irrelevant nonsense then this.
I thought it would be hard not to watch this a few months ago. I thought I'd have to force myself not to watch it, but as we got closer and closer and I read more and more about the situation, I thinks it's actually going to be easy. I don't feel any excitement about this at all.
Where? Instead of talking nonsense quote the post.
Sorry, you got into a conversation I was having with somebody else and I'll reply to who I like.
Where is the obvious racism? Because we don't tolerate that.
As has probably been said many times before, however the "support" FIFA has shown for LGBTQIA+ rights at this point looks like little more than hot air at best.
I have literally no idea where the antisemitism is. Can you point it out?
And those who might have voted for Cameroon right before he, together with -also brilliantly elected in his country- French president Sarkozy, decided to f***k up Libya and the Sahel for the foreseeable future?
No more vague accusations.
Anymore vague accusations of racism, Islamophobia or now antisemitism is getting a thread ban if it's not backed up. The onus of proof is on the accuser. These scattergun accusations are despicable.
My goodness. I obviously meant professional football.
Why on earth would I suggest that people shouldn't watch their family members playing in the park FFS?!
I'm in the same situation right now. Honestly, haven't even got the faintest twinge of excitement. I had a brief look at the times when most of these games are taking place (out of curiosity), and they are mostly when I'm at work anyway, so that's made it even easier to avoid.
To save you going through every election ever, I don't personally think someone who voted for an MP of a particular party is responsible for the everything that party does.
Sigh. If you must. In relation to my rather uncontroversial opinion that Israel, crap as it is, was not the 'world's worst country' in relation to human rights, you said:
Given the fact that antisemitism hadn't been mentioned or alluded to by anyone until you, I replied:
You feign innocence:
And I point to your original post. As I do again. As I'm a newbie (as you point out) and limited in my posts, I'll leave it here. Also I have a life to lead and a corrupt world cup to watch. But don't go swinging into threads dropping snarky digs about things like antisemitism and expect not to be called out on it. Bye.
It's the knock on from the "arm pit" point, mate. I mean, you could always take it back and then they'd have no ammo to use against you...
Thank you. Glad we have some staff with sense.