Strange post. But at least you sound proud.
Boycott The Qatar World Cup?
- Thread starter OldSchoolManc
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Yes. The whole thing is utterly corrupt. For LGBT people and for anyone concerned with human rights, it really stinks.The fact that 'the west' too is largely corrupt doesn't invalidate the criticism.
They should withdraw from the tournament if they're serious about making a statement.
(They won't, but they feckin' well should).
Actually, to be honest, I don't care for this "t-shirt" approach at all. That's fine for people who have little or no direct impact or influence.
The Danish FA has that, though. If they withdrew from the WC it would be huge.
Agreed. If it was up to me, every country with some self respect had withdrawn a long time ago. Denmark doing it alone wouldn’t achieve more than them being banned from the next tournament.
What would be better is donning the shirts regardless, and then FIFA having to ban them because of support for human rights. It would make them look even more ridiculously corrupt than they are now.
Whilst I agree with you that criticism shouldn't be based on what others do or have done in the past, for me personally the criticism of Qatar has kind of made it easy for the decision makers somewhat.
Qatar is what it is and yeah sure people should criticise what they feel is injustice. But it has been this for a long time. Those who made the decision deserve more criticism imo. As they espouse rights whilst not practising them where it matters.
Well...it would achieve more than that, if we're being realistic here:
If a WC participant actually withdrew from the tournament at this stage for the reason we're talking about, it would cause a huge brouhaha - it would be immensely more impactful than wearing "hey, we're - you know - nice people who dig human rights" t-shirts.
I somewhat agree with you. But if Denmark (a pretty insignificant team all things considered) withdrew and the rest of them played on, I just don’t see how it would impact anything other than them being banned from every international tournament for the foreseeable. Had Denmark along with England, France, Holland and Germany decided to withdraw, then that would mean something.
Regardless, my post was merely highlighting that a t-shirt saying ‘Human Rights for All’ is apparently not allowed.
Why is it strange? People acting holier than thou like they are better. If anyone should be boycotting is the players and fans actually going o Qatar to watch.
Like I said, the more people don't watch the better the stream for everyone watching.
I would be all for this, if it wasn't for the fact that our team is actually good now. If this World Cup had coincided with the Bendtner-era instead, I would be personally calling DBU to ask them to withdraw.
I'm acting holier than thou because I refuse to watch a tournament in a country that kills people for having the same sexuality i do?
Not boycotting it is grand, not caring is what a lot of people do, but poking at people with principles is not a great look.
Now fvck off Emery
And never darken our doors again
Hopefully he gets sacked before the next time we play these plebs
And never darken our doors again
Hopefully he gets sacked before the next time we play these plebs
Curious they didn't want to wear them for the Russia World Cup.
Bring something new to the conversation or just leave it be.
What new are you bringing other than complaining about the world cup? That's your opinion and it's perfectly fine to say it.
My point in this thread is to call out clear double standards. I'm sure Russia didn't have any human rights issues in 2018 though.
There seems little fanfare towards this world cup. I don't think I'll watch too much of and there seems to be a number of tickets still available for games. Hardly a success that Qatar would hope for.
Exactly this. I haven't decided whether I'll watch it myself, but to have a dig at people who aren't is pretty poor and just smacks of some kind of weird moral inferiority complex.
This kind of whataboutery is so tiresome.
3 million tickets sold. The less interesting group games won’t sell out as quickly for obvious reasons.
Hopefully see you in four years time in the next boycott thread.
More of the same. Sigh. So boring.
Keep deflecting. So boring.
If you want to start a thread about the next world cup, have at it. This is the thread for the Qatar world cup though.
Yea when you have no answer to the double standards, claim whataboutism.
We all know why everything was hunky dory when it came to Russia but they have a problem with Qatar.
Why do you think they didn't want to raise awareness about human rights during the Russian World Cup?
im not all the pushed ( other than the fact ireland aren't there) maybe its my age maybe its the way football is now but I can't remember a major sporting event I was less excited about. I honestly don't care who wins it. Best of luck to all your teams .
Everything was hunky dory with Russia?
I didn't hear the Denmark team raise a peep about Russia and their human rights record when they were playing there.
I haven't looked into Denmark's players but the Qatar criticism isn't solely about their laws or culture. It's also about the migrant worker deaths that gained a lot of traction in the media.
Not in the same way, but the danish FA was not happy about it. Maybe it simply has something to do with the actual death toll in Qatar? There wasnt really specifics with Russia, other than you could accuse them of being a terribly run country.
After all, what they mostly aim at with Qatar now is what has direct relation to the World Cup - the corruption has actually never been fully documented, so that would be a wild accusation to throw at Russia without actual documentation.
Edit: also you gotta look at it in perspective - the more bad world cups, the more tension and frustration builds up. Therefore more people/countries speak up now. Thats about being fed up with corruption and sportswashing in the sport, which after all is the FA’s domain.
Then there is the actual military threat as we are almost neighbours to Russia - you can probably claim double standards on an internetforum, but does a small country like Denmark potentially want to start a bigger political debacle with Russia when the goal with them back then was to not do crazy stuff like Ukraine. Surely as a small country you measure your words a littlle more careful against a nation with nuclear missiles pointing at Europe
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Why do you think that is?
And which human rights issues in relation to the 2018 World Cup do you think they could have been making a stand against.
Aren't Russia accused of not only killing protestors and opposition in they own country but also engaging in warfare outside (eg: Syria). Oh and they had also invaded Crimea by then and engaged in a war in Eastern Ukraine, including shooting down a passenger airline killing everyone on it.
Qatar migrant worker laws are horrible, as is their anti LGBT laws, but to claim they are a worse country, or atleast have a worse human rights record, than Russia is the hypocrisy I'm trying to point out.
So there was apparently no public outcry before the Russian World Cup about LGBTQ rights, workers rights, authoritarianism, etc.?
I haven't read the last couple of pages. Has someone said Qatar is worse than Russia?
Yes? Is there a direct relation to sport in those thing mentioned? No.
Edit: Sportsrelated matters are what the FA mostly talk about. There’s politicians for the other stuff. All bad of course, but youcant accuse the danish FA of not being world police on all matters and therefore having double standards - they mostly deal with what has direct relation to football so of course they speak up now when the death of migrant workers are a directly related problem with the world cup
Your whole angle of bashing someone who speaks up is ridiculous by the way. It is as if you need to have a 100% politically correct sheet of records on things youve spoken about before you can speak up about something that matters. You should focus more of why not more countries/FAs are not speaking up.
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Oh so you're saying that you would feel better about Qatar hosting the tournament if they were bombing the UAE and occupying Dubai as long as they didn't hire migrant workers to build stadiums?
Absolutely.