That Rooney could still scored goal. Chelsea didn't lack creative players. They certainly need a goal scorer since they had Torres, Ba and had to loan in Eto'o. None was better scorer than Rooney at the time. He was declining but some people are weird in a way they make it out he was as bad as he was in his last couple years here all that time.
Bonucci - Juventus player
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If he really did then he must have been as Rooney was clearly finished.
He also took Falcao after his season at United, he also took Essien to Madrid
Written off by the same experts that said Perisic was shite. For all you lot know Jose might be considering a switch to 3-5-2 / 5-3-2
Almost a certain sign of how good they can be.
Lies. Barzagli and Chiellini babysat him for most of his peak Juve years, and his only superior attribute was his ball playing. He only had about 2 seasons where he looked anything close to elite: 2014-16.
Look at the impact Toby had on Southampton/Spurs defensive records - had he played in Serie A with those players, for the team that’s monopolised it this decade, you’d be lauding Alderweireld as a God.
Bonucci in the Premier League would brutalised on a weekly basis. Maguire has all the same attributes, is years younger, stronger, and potential to develop further.
I mean his seasons at Juventus should be enough to see his quality. How many players can go from Juventus to Milan and maintain their level? He's surrounded by far worse players and will have to compensate.
Looking at a few games from him at Milan, he still has one of the best passes for a centre back in the world and his box defending is still pretty good. He's not finished as a player clearly.
He is quality and would be our best CB right off the bat. He is better than what we have. Staggering to think otherwise. We have no one who can match him in any department except speed perhaps but even then he can certainly compete in that department with the added luxury of his anticipation and reading of the game. It is likely that this nonsense about not wanting him is because there are no rumours about him going to city or any other plastic club being in for him. We might not even be in for him ourselves. I have not seen anything to convince me so far either way. What do you reckon mate?
Apparently an italian newspaper not known for talking about transfers reported that we bid for him. I reckon it's the Perisic situation again where we are trying to take advantage of financial problems. It will probably bite us in the arse again since you should pay the asking price for players you want.
The board needs to give JM exactly what he fecking asks for this season being so important in our progression. They deserve a smack in the mouth if they don't consider that when he gets exactly who he wants to complete the puzzle it always ends up with League titles and trophies. However, if clubs don't want to sell or are being ridiculous with their prices there hands are tied.
I don't think that's the case tbh. Quite a few reports saying that Milan actively want to sell Bonucci due to their financial situation. From the sounds of it, they appear to want us to bid.
I think we have around £100m to spend in the next few weeks based on our 6 season post SAF. Which would bring us to a total of £150-200m net spend depending on players sold. I'd be very surprised if we don't get at least 1 more in and probably 2.
Surprise surprise, Bonucci is a former player of Mourinho's (who hasn't he managed before???). I wouldn't be surprised if we were interested in him after Spurs decided to ask ridiculous amounts for Alderweireld.
Yeah I reckon Alderweireld is first choice and Bonucci is on the list of back up options.
every Croatia game I watched this World Cup reminded me of how the Caf experts know feck all. Unless you're signing a Galactico or the next hipster buy, no one's worth signing according to the Caf.
There is also the "if plastic club a,b,c are not after him then we will moan that they are shite" phenomenon
I'd take him at PSG. He would fit like a glove since Tuchel considers playing with a back trhree.
its but a dream....let me dream......
Oh come on mate, Bonucci is widely (and rightly) acknowledged by many who certainly know as one of the best defenders in Serie A in the modern era. 'Babysat' is not exactly the right way to describe him. He played in a three man defence with Barzagli and Chiellini for many seasons and his role in that back three was very impressive. Fabulous passing range, ball playing skills, ability to carry the ball from defence to attack, aerial threat and vision were qualities he contributed. How was he babysat to be Series A's 2016 player of the year?
While he has obvious weaknesses, I think Bonucci has earned respect as an outstanding defender.
I think I’d rather Maguire, but I think Bonucci leadership would help this team a lot.
Yeah I'm torn. I was against this idea at first, and still think there's a chance he could be a bit of a mess, but for the quoted prices it seems like a good. I'd rather we went with Maguire though, there's less chance of it backfiring.
True. Always thought the weakest link, if you can call anyone of them that, was Barzagli.
When somebody mentions Maguire and Bonucci in the same sentence ffs. An english defender doesn't fall over when the ball is at his feet and suddenly you can compare him to the one of the best ball playing centerbacks in the recent past.
ffs. An english defender doesn't fall over when the ball is at his feet and suddenly you can compare him to the one of the best ball playing centerbacks in the recent past.There is context to the comparisons which you must consider.When somebody mentions Maguire and Bonucci in the same sentence
I'm not one of the ones comparing by the way.
A 24 year old on the back of a couple of years good form and getting better over a 31 year old (not old, I know) who's coming off one of his less good seasons, albeit still a good one, and someone who's never played in this league and in the formation we have usually favoured.
I'd take him in a heartbeat. Best case he regains top form and becomes a leader that this team so desperately need. Worst case he doesn't but can act as a mentor for Lindelof and Tuanzebe. Would also let us move two of Jones, Smalling, and Rojo. Little risk but with large upside. Plus it would allow funds to be redistributed to other areas for better quality players.
————De Gea
-Bailly-Bonucci-Shaw
———Fred-Matic
—-Lingard--Pogba
Lukaku—————-Perisic
————Sanchez
Romero, Lindelof, Smalling,Herrera,Fellaini, Rashford,Martial
-Bailly-Bonucci-Shaw
———Fred-Matic
—-Lingard--Pogba
Lukaku—————-Perisic
————Sanchez
Romero, Lindelof, Smalling,Herrera,Fellaini, Rashford,Martial
If we sign him it looks like we'll be playing 532 next season to accommodate our biggest "stars".
Sanchez Lukaku
Fred Matic Pogba
Young/Sandro Valencia/Dalot
Rojo Bonnuci Bailly
De Gea
Fred Matic Pogba
Young/Sandro Valencia/Dalot
Rojo Bonnuci Bailly
De Gea
Why stop at that? We could play Rojo shadow striker, Young as CB and maybe Mourinho himself can go in the goal?
Ive considered this a possibility especially if we are after Perisic.
Makes sense. So potentially Sandro/Perisic to be our new wingback. Would take either at this point over anyone we've got.
The age thing is valid but 31 for a centerback isnt a problem at all IMO, especially when you consider that many of our current group arent the most experienced (or dont play like it). People obsess too much about it though. You look at our group of CB's, Jones, Smalling, bailly, rojo, lindelof... all are decent but with obvious weaknesses and none top level or reliable. Maguire isnt really better then most of those. More fit, yeah, but wouldnt really improve anything in actual performances. Bonucci is quality and would be an instant improvement in so many ways. A leader and experienced head to help our centerbacks who all work better as supporting backs, an intelligent defender to organize the defence and then also his on the ball ability which is streets ahesd of any defender in the league. Some people praise defenders and call them good on the ball just because they aren't Smalling levels on it. Bonucci, Hummels, Pique, Ramos... these are quality defenders on the ball.
Also when you see things like this, then its just laughable:
It is hard to argue with the post you qouted to be fair. That's just idiotic. The post, not the poster.
I can see why some might be anxious to sign Bonucci though. Especially considering our recent transfer history. Tbf to Jose, he has got most of his right so far. But people are still stung by Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin, Memphis etc. The Van Gaal boys.
For me, the biggest qualm I'd have is him playing a different system to one he's ever really played in before. It's a big change but one I'm sure Jose would consider and be able to coach him to be able to manage.
Agree with that. Biggest question mark would be him playing in a back 3 for a long time, but I'm sure he played and was quality in a back 2 as well. The reason why I would be very optimistic about it though is that Mourinho does have a very italian way of organizing defences. Low blocks, organized, keeping shape, a lot based on intelligence, composure and bravery. Bonucci would find an easy transition to that, as he's as composed as they come and very used to that style of defending, and could lead by example and organize bailly/whoever his partner would be.
All the past signings had obvious reasons for flopping:
- Di maria - anti-Van Gaal type player basically. Would've worked fine under different managers I'm sure.
- Falcao - had ACL surgery 7 months or so before we signed him. Normally players come back after 9 months and don't look the same until probably a year and a half to 2 years to get back to their best.
- Schwein - why would Bayern let a legend like him go if he was still the same quality player?
- Schneiderlin - always average. A punt from a lower club that didnt work out
- Memphis - youngster from dutch league that even their supporters felt he wasn't ready and actually not as talented as the hype suggested
- Mkhitaryan - was always inconsistent bar 1 season, same for us.
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Leonardo Bonucci’s future seems away from Milan. Already having a personal agreement with the 31-year-old, PSG are expected to present Milan an offer of around €35 million on Monday, according to @PremiumSportHD
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He struggled massively, was all over the place for a few months. I'm glad we're steering clear, to come and play in a two man defence in a different league...would take him too long to adjust and we need to defender that can hit the ground running.
From Gattuso's interview today, it may appear that Bonucci wants to leave.
Looks like it's either United, a return to Juventus or possibly PSG. I would take him at United. Fee seems reasonable and we need an experienced ball-playing defender who has played at the highest level. Even if it's for only 2-3 seasons I am happy with that.
Looks like it's either United, a return to Juventus or possibly PSG. I would take him at United. Fee seems reasonable and we need an experienced ball-playing defender who has played at the highest level. Even if it's for only 2-3 seasons I am happy with that.
Me too I would as it means that Tuanzabe and the likes won't have to wait too long and will get chances as a player nearing the end of his career will need rest as well.
Only if we’re going with a back three, for the price probably worth a punt.
What did Gattuso say?
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