Law and Schmeichel... are they "really" City legends?
fecking hell, nobody even counts City in their achivements.
fecking hell, nobody even counts City in their achivements.
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Law (sort of, not really) relegated United. That could've been his only game for City and that'd make him a legend in their minds.
Not even sort of...we would have been relegated despite the result (not that Dennis knew that)
Law is, there's a statue of him outside......oh.....wait a mo....wrong stadium, sorry.
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Jesus fecking Christ, that's some messed up perspective. What a wanker.
What an idiot. Hope others on there told him he's a complete moron.
Exactly what I was thinking mate - they're something else over at Bluemoon.
What I don't get is how these people coped two seasons a go- you know, when they hadn't been bank rolled by a billionaire and losing 18 league games in one season was the norm? Or is it more a case of, as I suspect, they've only been following City since 2009?
The irony of all of this is they constantly label United supporters as "plastics" when that club is about to have every Football Manager Gimp on the planet about to choose City as their 2nd club (Because all FM geeks "support" Real Madrid first).
They'll all congregate in the transfer section every summer planning on buying Ronaldo, Messi, Pele and Maradona only to be let down when James Milner, Gareth Barry and Jolean Lescott arrive for 100 million quid.
Tbh I myself don't ever feel sadness for the plight of those suffering to the world; global suffering seems far removed from me and my life, it's just an inevitability, one that has existed since long before I was born. If that kind of thing upset me then I'd be living in a permanent state of depression, because there's always something, some disaster, some famine, some plague, some war; I can't honestly say that I care about any of them, how could I do so without losing my mind with the constant pity and sadness involved? Or am I expected to pick and choose which to care about, and so not care all the time, just care about three or four tragedies a year or so, so I've got time in between to forget that life can be cruel? Nah, it's all just news stories to me; interesting to follow, but not emotionally involving in any way.
But when United lose I hate it, I genuinely care and wish I could turn back the clocks; watching United is a far more intense and personal emotional experience than is watching the news, without doubt.
You're a Top Red but not a "Top World Citizen", Ciderman.
One needs to keep some perspective about all things in life, young grasshopper.
One needs to keep some perspective about all things in life, young grasshopper.
To be honest I felt more grief when we lost the CL final v Barca than I did when I heard about the tsunami, does that make me a psychopath?
Look, I have perspective; I know that John Terry falling over when taking a penalty should not be as brilliant as a baby being rescued from the rubble of a collapsed building in Japan, but which event has provided me with genuine and tangible pride and happiness and which was just a nice news story? It was John Terry falling over that made me happy, obviously. Likewise, I know that United getting knocked out on away goals to Bayern Munich should not be as big a tragedy as was hurricane Katrina destroying almost the entire city of New Orleans, bit it's our untimely exit from the Champions League that to this day haunts me, not the death of thousands in America. Can any of us honestly say that we care more about human suffering than we do about United? And if so, why are we all posting on redcafe and not on redcross.com or something? Ask yourself; what gives you the most happiness in life; United lifting the European Cup or a Japanese baby being rescued? It's United every time for me.
Nah that just makes you normal imo. I think a lot of the time people go to lengths to try and show others that they genuinely care about such tragedies, esp. the media and those in the public eye etc. But how much do any of us really care?
No it makes you about 12.
Football is entertainment, regardless of whether you're a die hard match goer or someone who occasionally watches because you like the colour red in the jersey.
Comparing how you feel when Utd lose a game to how you feel when tens of thousands of people die is immature to begin with, saying you feel worse when Utd lose just betrays an inability to feel empathy, common with people with incredibly low levels of emotional intelligence.
It's probably hollow, cnutish and what not but I'm in the same boat.
Yeah I'm with cider.
Does the same apply to tragedies where just one person dies?
Whatever you say Mother Teresa. I'm just being honest, I don't know any of those people in Japan just like I don't know people in Africa who are starving to death or succumbing to aids. If I mourned every death I wouldn't be able to function, obviously if someone I know has a tragedy in their life I get upset about it.
It has nothing to do with being in mourning or knowing people, but its obviously beyond you, and a football forum isn't the place to try and explain the concept of empathy to you.
What 'same'?
Obviously someone dying is a bigger issue than losing a football match.
You don't have to feel pain first hand to be able to empathise, but comparing feelings about people dying and losing games to begin with is unbelievably fecking stupid.
That's just your personal opinion though, isn't it?
Wow, you're brilliant. You really are the bestest Manchester United fan in the whole wide world. I wish I cared about Manchester United more than everything else in the whole world, the whole universe.
There's a difference between feeling empathy and genuinely caring, Popper. Empathy is simply understanding how those who have suffered tragedies must be feeling, caring is letting their suffering effect you and moving you emotionally towards something approaching how they must be feeling. I empathise with and care about United the football club, but whilst I can empathise with the victims of disasters and such, I just don't care about them to any extent that I could genuinely be at all solemn, gloomy and reflective about it, as I do when United lose.
Did I say that? I'm not trying to make myself out to be a top red here, if that's what you think then you're missing the point.
Those who are disagreeing here; are you saying that you feel genuinely heartbroken, downtrodden and upset when you read of a human tragedy, or are you saying that you don't feel that way when United lose? Because the way I see it is; if the former is true, then you must be pretty depressed in life, or at least pretty skittish and prone to drastic swings of mood, what with you being so sensitive, getting all upset about all the shit that goes on; and if the latter is true then you're not very emotionally attached to the club, just as I'm not emotionally attached to Japan; and of course, if neither is true then you do care about United more than you do random instances of human suffering. Right?
It's all very well being patronising, I've read Adam Smith's "Theory of Moral Sentiments" so I have an understanding of what empathy is. I'm saying that I haven't lost sleep over the disaster in Japan but I did lose sleep over the final in Rome. According to Smith that makes me perfectly normal. Read this, you might learn something:
Yep. Any United fan who says otherwise is probably not an United fan. It's just the way life works. Same reason why we waste most of our money for our pleasure even when we know kids are starving.
Actually thats exactly what empathy is. To say you can empathise without caring is terribly naive.
No ones saying you need to be solemn, gloomy and reflective in order to be empathetic. You have a very naive and simplistic view of empathy, and its not accurate.
Still, regardless of all that, comparing how you feel when you see reports of tens of thousands of people dying and how you feel about a football match comes across as incredibly immature, maybe being solemn, gloomy and reflective about it, when Utd lose is just a symptom.
You dont need to feel any of those things to empathise, in fact most people would say that feeling them is a barrier to true empathy.
If you are really of the mentality of what you stated above then I doubt there is ever any point to your arguments.
that's brilliant, sums up what I'm trying to say perfectly.
That's because Smith was a complete genius.
patronising? Sorry I thought it was you who called me Mother Teresa there. You've read a book? Wow, I should really back off here. Where did I say you need to lose sleep to be empathetic?
The bottom line is that comparing people dying, in any circumstance, to losing a football match is immature.
Beyond that I cant really be bothered, I'm in the middle of a degree in psychotherapy, I reckon I've a decent grasp on empathy, but thanks for the reading recommendation.
lets be honest, I dont think anyone on here is saying they dont care when millions die in a tragedy but more that the misfourtunes within thier own world effect them deeper, as they are obviously going to do. Almost everyone will be more upset when something bad happens to them or a close friend/relative than they will when they hear about something else.