Bluemoon goes into Meltdown

antohan said:
He is going into that dark place called "Why always us?". There's a fine line between galvanising siege mentality and the destructive lack of self-awareness of a victim mentality.

He seems to be heading for the latter.
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Think too much is being read into it. Pep is very cynical when it comes to the press, always has been. Nothing much new about his behaviour tbh
 
Cassidy said:
Think too much is being read into it. Pep is very cynical when it comes to the press, always has been. Nothing much new about his behaviour tbh
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I would accept this argument if he wasnt calling out the quality of the league or his own fan base, which he seems to be doing repeatedly, hell leave on his own soon enough.
 
I love how short term their memory is over there. We've been getting screwed over by the refs for the entire season and get two offside goals (1 which didn't matter as the game was already won) and all of a sudden the refs want us to win the league?
 
Trizy said:
I love how short term their memory is over there. We've been getting screwed over by the refs for the entire season and get two offside goals (1 which didn't matter as the game was already won) and all of a sudden the refs want us to win the league?
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Even worse when in those same games we've still had big decisions go against us.
 
The best thing about this for me is that the entire club has been structured with the end goal of getting Pep as manager. They've been planning and tapping for years and years. Putting his barca cronies in powerful positions in order to convince him to come. This is their shot at the big time, all of their eggs are in one basket. They are counting on pep to make them a real top club, one capable of winning the CL and playing fantastic football which blows the other teams away. So if this fails, where do they go from here? Everything they've been scheming towards will come to nothing and it'll be beautiful.
 
The decision to sack Mancini was bizarre they played brilliantly under him and were frightening at times.
 
At the start of the season it was impossible to have a serious debate about Pep. If, like me, you questioned the substance of his record at Barcelona and Bayern you were accused of being jealous even though we had just appointed arguably the best manager in the business with a proven track record in 4 countries.

I can understand City fans being giddy but surely more "expert" pundits and journalists should have questioned exactly what his role was in creating unstoppable sides at Bayern and Barcelona
 
Lentwood said:
At the start of the season it was impossible to have a serious debate about Pep. If, like me, you questioned the substance of his record at Barcelona and Bayern you were accused of being jealous even though we had just appointed arguably the best manager in the business with a proven track record in 4 countries.

I can understand City fans being giddy but surely more "expert" pundits and journalists should have questioned exactly what his role was in creating unstoppable sides at Bayern and Barcelona
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You highlight the point, very few of these so called experts daren't go against the grain and challenge popular mainstream narrative. They all had them nailed on for everything after 10 wins at the beginning of the season.
 
Chorley1974 said:
You highlight the point, very few of these so called experts daren't go against the grain and challenge popular mainstream narrative. They all had them nailed on for everything after 10 wins at the beginning of the season.
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I agree. It would be nice to see a few more Keane and Sutton's and a few less Redknapps and Henrys.

It wasn't like it was even a tough spot. It was fairly obvious that this was going to happen
 
iHicksy said:
The best thing about this for me is that the entire club has been structured with the end goal of getting Pep as manager. They've been planning and tapping for years and years. Putting his barca cronies in powerful positions in order to convince him to come. This is their shot at the big time, all of their eggs are in one basket. They are counting on pep to make them a real top club, one capable of winning the CL and playing fantastic football which blows the other teams away. So if this fails, where do they go from here? Everything they've been scheming towards will come to nothing and it'll be beautiful.
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:lol: so beautifully put
 
I do think we all need to calm down a bit though, including City fans. They are still 3 points ahead of us, and their next few premier league games look winnable. They are having a bit of a bad patch especially with Pep having a meltdown everytime he is interviewed. If the owners see sense they will keep Pep and I can see them spending a lot of money in the next two windows which is always a good way to stop problems at football clubs.
It's great seeing them in a mini turmoil though, considering how optimistic they were before the season started.
 
predator said:
I do think we all need to calm down a bit though, including City fans. They are still 3 points ahead of us, and their next few premier league games look winnable. They are having a bit of a bad patch especially with Pep having a meltdown everytime he is interviewed. If the owners see sense they will keep Pep and I can see them spending a lot of money in the next two windows which is always a good way to stop problems at football clubs.
It's great seeing them in a mini turmoil though, considering how optimistic they were before the season started.
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They're away to Everton next and then at home to Spurs and you think those games look winnable? It's not like they're playing Sunderland and Swansea at home
 
predator said:
I do think we all need to calm down a bit though, including City fans. They are still 3 points ahead of us, and their next few premier league games look winnable. They are having a bit of a bad patch especially with Pep having a meltdown everytime he is interviewed. If the owners see sense they will keep Pep and I can see them spending a lot of money in the next two windows which is always a good way to stop problems at football clubs.
It's great seeing them in a mini turmoil though, considering how optimistic they were before the season started.
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Plus they have Yaya's birthday coming, always a rough month for that club.
Wouldn't it be fantastic if he did a DiMaria on them.
 
C3Pique said:
Lol at this article. Calls City small time, and hints that Pep will be short term. Remember when everyone was criticising the Jose appointment for being short sighted, despite the fact Guardiola has never managed a team for more than 4 years?

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-ci...-ranks-man-city-as-second-tier-team-co-author
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In fairness Guardiola usually leaves on his terms after domination. Mourinho usually leaves after full blown meltdowns and dressing room disarray.
 
Pink Moon said:
In fairness Guardiola usually leaves on his terms after domination. Mourinho usually leaves after full blown meltdowns and dressing room disarray.
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Guardiola usually joins his teams during domination as well though, that's his trouble this time around.
 
AR87 said:
Mourinho didn't leave Porto, Chelsea the first time or Inter in those circumstances. Real sure, but which manager doesn't there? Chelsea last year was certainly bizarre though.
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He first left Chelsea after falling out with Roman.

And yeah, fair enough about Real. Basket case of a club.
 
Pink Moon said:
He first left Chelsea after falling out with Roman.
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And Jose's the first manager to fall out with Roman, eh?

Jose's longevity at Chelsea and Madrid is better than most managers. How many managers stay for three seasons at either club? The man is also adored at Porto and Inter.

This whole meltdown idea has to be seen in context. Any world class manager would have a meltdown trying to deal with Abramovich and Perez.

Carlo Ancelotti coped for years with Berlusconi's craziness, look how long he lasted at Chelsea and Madrid by comparison! You can't make out that only Mou has issues at those clubs.
 
predator said:
I do think we all need to calm down a bit though, including City fans. They are still 3 points ahead of us, and their next few premier league games look winnable. They are having a bit of a bad patch especially with Pep having a meltdown everytime he is interviewed. If the owners see sense they will keep Pep and I can see them spending a lot of money in the next two windows which is always a good way to stop problems at football clubs.
It's great seeing them in a mini turmoil though, considering how optimistic they were before the season started.
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Of course they'll spend a lot of money, but it'll probably be lots of panic buys. Its not exactly a secret that they're a small shithole Barca clone identity-less sugar daddy club, with a rapidly losing cred time bomb of a manager.
Why would you want to go to City?
If money was your absolute motivation, China's the new City.
 
charlenefan said:
They're away to Everton next and then at home to Spurs and you think those games look winnable? It's not like they're playing Sunderland and Swansea at home
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Was about to say this. Also with no Fernandinho so 46 year old Yaya doing the pressing in midfield..
 
MartialsBeard said:
The decision to sack Mancini was bizarre they played brilliantly under him and were frightening at times.
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Mancini had Kompany, Toure, Silva and Aguero all at their best. Pep would be walking the league with that team.

Doesn't excuse their shit transfer window however.
 
JamesB__ said:
Mancini had Kompany, Toure, Silva and Aguero all at their best. Pep would be walking the league with that team.

Doesn't excuse their shit transfer window however.
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Pep dropped Aguero in firing form earlier in the season but got dropped for whatever reason. At Bayern, Pep insisted on FBs to play as central midfielders or 3 at the back or whatever when they can just play simple 4 at the back to bring out the best of his defenders. Not like it's the players' fault for defenders got confused and can't defend when being counted
 
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JamesB__ said:
Mancini had Kompany, Toure, Silva and Aguero all at their best. Pep would be walking the league with that team.

Doesn't excuse their shit transfer window however.
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Erm who signed three of those players?

Mancini signings were great. Then the Barca clowns came in and have wasted a ton of money.
 
:D Manchester is red and always will be. The so called blue project of building a powerhouse who can challenge man united with a overhyped Pep guardiola and his philosophy which is untested in english fooball which when you look closer is actually tested before by wenger's manchini's pellegrini's and anchelotti's and lvg's will always be a pipe dream which can never take off and become a reality. Only Mourinho challenged the writ of man united with chelsea and now he is a red devil himself. :lol: and will soon undo the things he did for chelsea and do it here.
 
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I'm not really sure if this is from Bluemoon as a City fan on my Facebook posted it, but it would fit right in over there.

I absolutely categorically support Pep Guardiola in his stance with the Football Associations meddling with match officials via the back door of the PGMOL, I absolutely understand why Pep is confused by what has been going on in English football since the arrival of Alex Ferguson and his own arrival.
Most of you anti City bandwagoner's will claim it's a conspiracy, that I wear a tin foil cap and it's all in my head, that's all well and good until it's your club who also ends up suffering from injustice. You whine like little babies when it happens to you but, as soon as it happens to Manchester City you're all laughing your backsides off plastering Twitter, Facebook and Instagram with your Emoji's.
Since Pep Guardiola's arrival almost everyone other than Manchester City and City fans have been gunning for Pep, and wanting him to fail and that includes the likes of the British Media, Robbie Savage constantly bad mouthing City, Jamie Carragher can't hide his allegiance to Liverpool and has slated City and Pep on many occasions, Michael Owen is another culprit. BT have had a hugely publicised agenda against Manchester City and even Sky Sports couldn't help but have a pop at Raheem Sterling today after the Burnley win instead of crediting City for the hard fought win against a 14 man Burnley.
Most recent facts:
THE English Football Association who also head the PGMOL board (Professional Game Match Officials Limited), appointed Anthony Taylor is an English professional Football Referee from Wythenshawe, a market town in Trafford, Greater Manchester, home of Man United to officiate the high profile title fighting match between Manchester City and current table toppers Chelsea. He's from Greater Manchester ? WTF I always assumed a Referee wasn't allowed to officiate a match within their home location? OK Trafford isn't Manchester but it's surrounded by Manchester and it's home to United. Now He claims to support non-League side Altrincham, but many have claimed that he's been spotted on quite a few occasions in the crowd at Old Trafford. This particular game against Chelsea honestly came as no surprise to me as Taylor has a short history of screwing City, Admittedly we didn't turn up against Leicester City in 2016 but, he didn't help matters by gifting Leicester advantage. Against Arsenal in 2016 Taylor helped them make a comeback and needlessly decided to yellow card two City players just before the final whistle.
Now I'm not going to defend Sergio Aguero or Fernandinho for their actions against Chelsea BUT, had Anthony Taylor rightfully sent off David Luiz for smashing in to Aguero and send him flying. (No Taylor put his whistle to his lips and then bottled it). Then Aguero's rash retaliation on Luiz and the brawl the followed would have never come to pass. For the entire match Anthony Taylor allowed Chelsea to ruff up City and not end up with a single caution or yellow card, but as soon as City players gave as good as they got out flew his cards.
Manchester City are kicked, shoved and assaulted but that's not a problem as our players can stand up to it. Our problem is when we give as good as we get, then we're punished for it and our opponents either just get away with it or get a little verbal telling off three or five times before a yellow even appears.
Same thing with Lee Mason against Burnley, every incident went Burnley's way. Burnley turned up to ruff our players up and when City players gave as good as they got, out flew his cards. Again I'm not defending Fernandinho but as far as I'm concerned our players got frustrated, including Fernandinho because the Referee was without any shadow of doubt bias in favor of Burnley, so much so that he tried to get them back in the game and a few City players were fouled without caution let alone a card.
Now all our players are shown red cards but David Luiz, Cesc Fabregas, Nathaniel Chalobah, Marcos Rojo escaped red cards and bans. Now recently I've seen players make the same foul David Luiz made on Sergio Aguero, they all got penalized so there's clear and blatant inconsistency and I strongly believe the English Football Association and the PGMOL are behind it, in blatant attempts to manipulate the outcome of the league.
An ex Referee came out in the Media recently admitting, that they and other Referee's were asked to change the outcome of games by their bosses. Since that revelation for some unknown reason there has been a media blackout on the subject, nothing more was said and no one is asking questions and ruffling feathers?
Now the PGMOL and Match Officials are currently not accountable for their actions and that in my opinion is a disgrace, it sets a platform for Referee's to do as they please and not have to answer to anyone other than the FA. Their bosses who are far more concerned about protecting them, than they are punishing them with appropriate and proportionate punishment and consequences that the clubs and players end up with and or in.
Just to give this article some balance I stress that I only believe four clubs truly benefit from the Football Associations meddling in the English top flight, they are Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United, more so Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea. On the rare occasion where Leicester City won the title I believe they were also at work. Even further balance by saying not all Premier League Referee's are poor or corrupt but most of them are. We've lost games fair and square, like our matches against Tottenham Hotspur and Leicester City recently when we never turned up, those matches were well officiated. I'm not saying every game in the English leagues are manipulated by Referee's, just the important fixtures that decide title fights.
Now Pep Guardiola has every right to choose not to speak to the media, or be provoked into answering questions that he doesn't wish to answer. He has a point when he says he needs to get to grips with the rules, as there really is two sets of rules for Referee's to follow when officiating. Inconsistency and constant meddling by Referee's are currently a big issue in English football, I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other countries around the world either.
Pep Guardiola isn't here to entertain the British Media or you anti City bandwagoner's, we all know you want Manchester City and Pep Guardiola to fail. Our Club and Players are now getting the message, so keep it up, keep it all up, because we will come out fighting every time like we did against a 14 man Burnley and we will prevail.
Every match from now on needs to be treated like we're playing against 14 men.
We're right behind you Pep, we've got your back
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I'm currently suffering from flu and feel like death.
Reading that gave me a warm feeling inside.

mmmmm...
 
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