Bluemoon goes into Meltdown

Santoryo said:
If United had gone 4 games with 2 thrashing and no wins regardless of previous results, the media would have been all over the place harping on about crisis.

These City lots trying to console themselves about how they play and "possession" when all they achieved so far are heavy defeats.

No one praises Wenger for getting mopped around while playing beautifully.

Pep goes around showing tactical naivety and people want to dress it as losing while playing well. What kind of joke is that :lol:

Other managers and teams (especially us) get hounded by the media after each defeat regardless of how the game went on but we're sitting here seeing people trying to find excuses and sugarcoat City's defeats.
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Amen, especially that tactical naivety part.
 
Curious how Pep was tactically naive, seemed to get it spot on. Moreover, Lucho had no answer to it other than waiting/hoping for mistakes
 
Santoryo said:
If United had gone 4 games with 2 thrashing and no wins regardless of previous results, the media would have been all over the place harping on about crisis.

These City lots trying to console themselves about how they play and "possession" when all they achieved so far are heavy defeats.

No one praises Wenger for getting mopped around while playing beautifully.

Pep goes around showing tactical naivety and people want to dress it as losing while playing well. What kind of joke is that :lol:

Other managers and teams (especially us) get hounded by the media after each defeat regardless of how the game went on but we're sitting here seeing people trying to find excuses and sugarcoat City's defeats.
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Exactly. His Bayern team was outclassed by Madrid, Barca and then lost against Atletico. His city team was outclassed by Barca already. He has no answer when he plays against Spanish 3. For a supposedly tactical genius, his team got outclassed whenever faced equal or better team.
 
FCBarca said:
Curious how Pep was tactically naive, seemed to get it spot on. Moreover, Lucho had no answer to it other than waiting/hoping for mistakes
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Waiting more than hoping, with the back 5 city have a mistake is never that far away. If City had equalised we might have seen a tactical change but they didn't.
 
FCBarca said:
I don't agree, if United showed some wow factor like City have this season few would be doing anything but fawning all over Mou and how he was always the right man for the job
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At the end of the day, City is still a much smaller club and brand compared to the Reals, Barcas, Milans, Uniteds, Bocas and Arsenal's of the world. People internationally (or at least outside of Europe) genuinely hadnt heard much about them (or at all) before 2011. And inside of England they probably received about as much attention as a QPR or Villa until 2008. My point is, you don't become a huge club overnight so with that the level of scrutiny or 'caring' you face will be proportional to national and international interest. That's why so much attention is focused on United or Liverpool, and not City, for example.

The result yesterday is hilarious to everyone except city fans in england. And it is expected/unsurprising to the rest of the world.
 
And Pep is starting to look like a playground bully if he isn't one already. Goes around thumping lesser teams than his but get sent to the cleaner as soon as he meets a team as good as his quality wise.

Pep ruled the wold with Barca, a team which was/is the best in the world than get schooled when facing teams close to his teams quality.

He goes to Bayern, bullies small German teams in the bundesliga but get done by a big team in Barca, followed by Madrid.

Yet he still get hardly if at all criticized for his poor record against equally big teams.

Also he just doesn't lose, he loses heavily with big and embarrassing scorelines. How many games against the Spanish teams, and he's yet to even score a goal.

Those are eyebrows raising stats.

Pep has also failed to show any genius against defensively organised and disciplined teams. They've sent him packing numerous time from the CL. Chelsea, Inter, Atletico, all these teams have sent him packing.

He's countless times failed to adapt his tactics and games but never get questioned.

He goes around playing the same to either get absolutely stuffed by equally good teams as his such as Real, Barca, or he fails to break defensively sound teams with good tactics to beat him on the counter such as Atletico, Inter, Chelsea.
 
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roonster09 said:
Exactly. His Bayern team was outclassed by Madrid, Barca and then lost against Atletico. His city team was outclassed by Barca already. He has no answer when he plays against Spanish 3. For a supposedly tactical genius, his team got outclassed whenever faced equal or better team.
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Meh. Bayern was devastated by injury in the tie against Barcelona and then completely dominated Atleti, losing because the ball just wouldn't go in the net and due to an offside goal. I don't think either of those ties say much negative about Guardiola's tactics.

I think he got the tactics fairly correct yesterday, at least until the red card. How many teams have you seen go to Camp Nou and hold their own - not just with the result, but in terms of chances and hold on the match - for the first 60 minutes? Its easy to laugh at the scoreline but this was one of the better away performances against Barcelona in European play in recent years, until the red card.
 
Leroy The Red said:
@Santoryo
To be fair Pep wasn't in charge when Barca got dicked by Bayern.

Also the thread is derailing.
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Oh yeah. He was in his sabbatical.

It's just every time I see a top team in the world get stuffed by another equally world class team, I think of Pep :lol:
 
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Fridge chutney said:
At the end of the day, City is still a much smaller club and brand compared to the Reals, Barcas, Milans, Uniteds, Bocas and Arsenal's of the world. People internationally (or at least outside of Europe) genuinely hadnt heard much about them (or at all) before 2011. And inside of England they probably received about as much attention as a QPR or Villa until 2008. My point is, you don't become a huge club overnight so with that the level of scrutiny or 'caring' you face will be proportional to national and international interest. That's why so much attention is focused on United or Liverpool, and not City, for example.

The result yesterday is hilarious to everyone except city fans in england. And it is expected/unsurprising to the rest of the world.
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I think this is just the perspective of United fans if not wishful thinking. Of course they are a much smaller club & brand than those you mentioned but they are also clearly ambitious as evidenced not only by their financial outlay but their committment to being in it for the long run. Pep et al is only part of that, for now.

And, again, even from the perspective of a Barcelona fan, it wasn't as hilarious as the scoreline would suggest from start to finish
 
FCBarca said:
Ithey are also clearly ambitious as evidenced not only by their financial outlay but their committment to being in it for the long run. Pep et al is only part of that, for now.
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They have even appropriated Barcelona's colours with their away kit. It is kind of pathetic really.

If they produce some technically gifted England players from their wannabe La Masia academy I supposed I will have to forgive them.
 
Powderfinger said:
Meh. Bayern was devastated by injury in the tie against Barcelona and then completely dominated Atleti, losing because the ball just wouldn't go in the net and due to an offside goal. I don't think either of those ties say much negative about Guardiola's tactics.

I think he got the tactics fairly correct yesterday, at least until the red card. How many teams have you seen go to Camp Nou and hold their own - not just with the result, but in terms of chances and hold on the match - for the first 60 minutes? Its easy to laugh at the scoreline but this was one of the better away performances against Barcelona in European play in recent years, until the red card.
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See these are the excuses people keep coming with for Pep and they've become more frequent. A lot of ifs involved and hypothetical situations.

And CL are ties of 2 legs which should negate most excuses. He lost those games because the opponents managers got the better of him tactically something which seems hard for some to accept.
 
Powderfinger said:
Meh. Bayern was devastated by injury in the tie against Barcelona and then completely dominated Atleti, losing because the ball just wouldn't go in the net and due to an offside goal. I don't think either of those ties say much negative about Guardiola's tactics.

I think he got the tactics fairly correct yesterday, at least until the red card. How many teams have you seen go to Camp Nou and hold their own - not just with the result, but in terms of chances and hold on the match - for the first 60 minutes? Its easy to laugh at the scoreline but this was one of the better away performances against Barcelona in European play in recent years, until the red card.
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Funny how many excuses are used to defend Pep's big losses.

Why wasn't the same excuse used for yesterday's game when Barca played with second string defense for most of the game?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
They have even appropriated Barcelona's colours with their away kit. It is kind of pathetic really.

If they produce some technically gifted England players from their wannabe La Masia academy I supposed I will have to forgive them.
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Next they will copy Barca's tax policy.
 
roonster09 said:
Funny how many excuses are used to defend Pep's big losses.

Why wasn't the same excuse used for yesterday's game when Barca played with second string defense for most of the game?
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Was just going to mention that but realised the cult of Pep is strong.
 
FCBarca said:
I think this is just the perspective of United fans if not wishful thinking. Of course they are a much smaller club & brand than those you mentioned but they are also clearly ambitious as evidenced not only by their financial outlay but their committment to being in it for the long run. Pep et al is only part of that, for now.

And, again, even from the perspective of a Barcelona fan, it wasn't as hilarious as the scoreline would suggest from start to finish
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It is not. there is demonstrably more written about United or Barca than there is about City and that stems from historical dominance and global canvases of the 2 clubs. City is a much better-known club now, especially since they have some top international players. And perhaps they force to be reckoned with in Europe. But they were a non-entity internationally before 2008, that is a fact.
 
Gause said:
This kind of response is the reason why I feel Jose's approach against Liverpool was justified. 'More shots on goal, equal possession, Barca looked not as dangerous' 4 fecking 0. What's the point?
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Jose is pragmatic and doesn't mind playing negative football if that is the best tactic.
With Pep, he has only managed the best teams ever. This means he is used to playing in a dominant fashion. Unfortunately, when you don't have the best players, playing in a dominant fashion may result in losses, as we saw yesterday.
This is why, IMO Jose is a better manager as he can manage great sides, as well as sides with lesser players. Porto and Inter Milan winning the league and CL double, is pretty damn impressive. I mean, who the hell are Porto?
 
Hellboy said:
For an away team playing Barcelona they were not too bad until that point tbf. Certainly not the better team of course.
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But that red card came courtesy of Pep's big statement signing. Cant use it as an excuse.

Wonder if there's been any mention of them attempting (and failing) to carbon copy our corner kick from the Leicester game?
 
sunama said:
Jose is pragmatic and doesn't mind playing negative football if that is the best tactic.
With Pep, he has only managed the best teams ever. This means he is used to playing in a dominant fashion. Unfortunately, when you don't have the best players, playing in a dominant fashion may result in losses, as we saw yesterday.
This is why, IMO Jose is a better manager as he can manage great sides, as well as sides with lesser players. Porto and Inter Milan winning the league and CL double, is pretty damn impressive. I mean, who the hell are Porto?
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There's really no such thing IMO. There's being pragmatic and the there's sticking rigidly to one tactic. The end result;a win, is all that matters
 
11101 said:
But that red card came courtesy of Pep's big statement signing. Cant use it as an excuse.

Wonder if there's been any mention of them attempting (and failing) to carbon copy our corner kick from the Leicester game?
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Bayern Munich scored one similar yesterday
 
Classical Mechanic said:
They have even appropriated Barcelona's colours with their away kit. It is kind of pathetic really.

If they produce some technically gifted England players from their wannabe La Masia academy I supposed I will have to forgive them.
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Bayern did similar under Pep - I didn't like it either but the cynic in me thinks he was trying to blaugrana those teams
 
Fridge chutney said:
It is not. there is demonstrably more written about United or Barca than there is about City and that stems from historical dominance and global canvases of the 2 clubs. City is a much better-known club now, especially since they have some top international players. And perhaps they force to be reckoned with in Europe. But they were a non-entity internationally before 2008, that is a fact.
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Not debating the history just that the ambition of the club is to create that identity. Hence, why they have done what they have
 
I just got to watch the game...did Barca have a second string defense? And how shite is stones? Jesus messi did not get out of first gear.
 
FCBarca said:
Not debating the history just that the ambition of the club is to create that identity. Hence, why they have done what they have
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Can't argue there. I don't think anyone would question their ambition. While I think they should try and forge their own identity instead of sicophantically copying Barca's (wtf was that away kit yesterday?), In the spirit of this thread and yesterday's result, for the time being I'll just laugh at City until they give me reason not to :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
sunama said:
Jose is pragmatic and doesn't mind playing negative football if that is the best tactic.
With Pep, he has only managed the best teams ever. This means he is used to playing in a dominant fashion. Unfortunately, when you don't have the best players, playing in a dominant fashion may result in losses, as we saw yesterday.
This is why, IMO Jose is a better manager as he can manage great sides, as well as sides with lesser players. Porto and Inter Milan winning the league and CL double, is pretty damn impressive. I mean, who the hell are Porto?
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Exactly. Jose has done it regardless of the club size or financial situation against the best in the world.

Who still remember Mou tactically outdoing peak Barca with Inter on his way to winning the CL title.

Pep so far has only done it with absolutely dominant teams over others which is why I'm curious to see how he'll do in the league with at least 6 teams in for a chance to grab the title.

And I'm not talking about 8 games in.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Can't argue there. I don't think anyone would question their ambition. While I think they should try and forge their own identity instead of sicophantically copying Barca's (wtf was that away kit yesterday?), In the spirit of this thread and yesterday's result, for the time being I'll just laugh at City until they give me reason not to :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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If you're trying to create an identity, I'm sure there are a few to emulate that are worthy and certainly Barcelona's would be high on anyone's list to aspire to. Can't fault City for that, IMHO. But it's true, you can't copy it - there are nuances to Barcelona that could never be replicated elsewhere. I can't say, ultimately, whether it's a fool's errand to take this approach but I certainly don't think it's mockable to try
 
FCBarca said:
If you're trying to create an identity, I'm sure there are a few to emulate that are worthy and certainly Barcelona's would be high on anyone's list to aspire to. Can't fault City for that, IMHO. But it's true, you can't copy it - there are nuances to Barcelona that could never be replicated elsewhere. I can't say, ultimately, whether it's a fool's errand to take this approach but I certainly don't think it's mockable to try
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There's a Messi that could never be replicated elsewhere.
 
podurban2 said:
Barca més que un club.
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City had an identity, a Mancunian identity, a gritty inner city club with a lot of character but now they actively seek to be the poor mans Barcelona, presumably at the owners desire. It isn't something to be admired. I know a few old time City fans that feel alienated by the way the club has gone already. The younger generations and foreign add on fans won't be in touch with that past but I couldn't help but sneer at that away kit last night.
 
arthurka said:
Last four are :

Celtic 3 -3 City
Tottingham 2 - 0 City
City 1 - 1 Everton
Barca 4 - 0 City


If this was United it would be all over town..
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Exactly, where are all the Guardiola/sycophants masquerading as United fans now?

My point here is bad results happen, mistakes happen but it is not a sign that a bad patch means that Guardiola has lost it or is a bad manager etc yet were so quick to condemn our own 7 games in. Feck me right off.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
It is though isn't it. The essence of a football club is its identity. Appropriating another clubs identity is deeply unattractive in my opinon.
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Doesn't mean they will replicate everything exactly. Barcelona took many things from the Dutch school and ultimately the English founded the game, influences are everywhere.

I realize most of you won't want to appreciate anything about your crosstown rivals but I respect their approach more than a club like say PSG that simply threw money at it. City seem to have a plan in place, a blueprint if you will - many of the architects of that are from Barcelona so only natural they bring that with them
 
FCBarca said:
Doesn't mean they will replicate everything exactly. Barcelona took many things from the Dutch school and ultimately the English founded the game, influences are everywhere.

I realize most of you won't want to appreciate anything about your crosstown rivals but I respect their approach more than a club like say PSG that simply threw money at it. City seem to have a plan in place, a blueprint if you will - many of the architects of that are from Barcelona so only natural they bring that with them
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Isn't that exactly what they did?
 
FCBarca said:
Doesn't mean they will replicate everything exactly. Barcelona took many things from the Dutch school and ultimately the English founded the game, influences are everywhere.

I realize most of you won't want to appreciate anything about your crosstown rivals but I respect their approach more than a club like say PSG that simply threw money at it. City seem to have a plan in place, a blueprint if you will - many of the architects of that are from Barcelona so only natural they bring that with them
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PSG and City are almost identical in their approach! PSG would have gotten Pep if they could have, but Pep's friends happened to be at City.

The difference is, PSG was a bigger, more recognised club when the oil money came.
 
I respect City for all they have achieved this is a club that has really had the toughest of times and has now risen from the ashes to become a true superpower , yes they have spent a lot of money but lets face it we have broken transfer records on many occasions and have seldom been slow to bring the cheque book out . They have built a fabulous complex that would put most others to shame and have a solid infrastructure which should ensure hey never fall from grace again
BUT .....
in my opinion their Achilles heel could well turn out to be Pep as I believe he is a one trick pony ( though it is a fantastic trick ) he is absolutely set in his ways and beliefs and will not be swayed I used to work for a guy who was always right even when he was wrong pep reminds me of him it's his way or the highway , the clearest sign was his shoddy treatment of hart and replacing him with a goalkeeper who buys in to peps philosophy of we will play from the back even if it doesn't work seeming to prefer a keeper who is better with his feet than he is with his hands ,pure folly in the high paced rough and tumble of the prem believe me last night v Barca won't be the only occasion this keeper will cost them goals .
Lets look at Pep's managerial experience
The Spanish prem has 2 great teams full of superstars and one really good one the rest are pretty poor in terms of week in week out lge performance ( you very rarely see upsets in La liga bottom beating top just doesn't happen hence Barca and Real score 5/ 6 goals on a regular basis ) .

The same can broadly be said of Germany where there is one great team and a couple of good ones and the rest no better than average .

The prem has shock results week in week out ( hence why sky super 6 is so difficult to win ) we know there is every chance that Swansea , West Brom , Stoke , Hull etc etc are always capable of beating United , Arsenal , Chelsea etc etc , the pure football that Pep demands each week just won't cut it in the Prem , don't get me wrong they will be top 4 but if he sticks tight to his possession based game every week they will become unstuck .

Although purists won't agree I believe Jose is a much better option he knows the prem knows what to expect and is prepared to set up his team differently game by game ( and if that means parking the bus on occasion then so be it ! ) .

I honestly believe the premiership will " find Pep out " and think he will be too set in his ways to bend

We will see
 
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