@Cityfaninpeace are you really here in piece?
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Yeah it was, to be fair I do not recall him been particularly good, he was solid but did not have a great deal to do.
This. We should take it to the City chat thread rather than here, but I was surprised at how underwhelming the Guardiola unveiling/showcase has been from them. Their marketing team is, usually, much superior to ours, definitely on social media; I expected them to ensure they were plastered across the papers, bombarding the media with articles, signings on a timetable, "Pep's revolution", "Gundogan to be the Stockport Xavi" etc... but instead it's Nolito and Gundogan under the radar. Unless it's what Pep has aked for: no razmatazz to just get on with the job, let results talk etc.
It truely is fascinating stuff, like a text based nature documentary.
It was a friendly where both sides played a bunch of kids. It doesn't show anything.
It's best that way for them
Pep is a smart guy. I am sure he knows how the British media are especially with foreign managers. I think he prefers the pressure on us and Mourinho.
Look at what happened with Villas Boad at Spurs especially with how much the media turned on him when they started losing a few games. I won't be surprised if he's been advised to act this way.
True, but the counter to that is, this is another step on the CityRoadToBecomingMassiveTM, and you'd think they'd want to leverage having (arguably) the most successful manager in the world?
Its a bluemoon thread...what a rag cant talk about a bertie no mo?
They will probably give away loads and shirts and tickets.
"Boss. Where are you going again? Show me the name on here."
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Pep has never been about the razzmatazz or headlines, that's for your manager. If we were signing pogba for 100m it would bring so much unwanted attention and pressure. Don't get me wrong from a football perspective id love pogba, I think he's class, but pep definitely likes to do things differently.
They are really clinging on to the hope that Real will swoop anytime now and make a deal for Pogba. And some of them still in denial that this is happening and they are able to do jack all about it. 
Like doing a £60m deal to sign Zlatan in 2009?
So City haven't bought an outstanding footballer because it would bring "unwanted attention and pressure"?
Didn't they let Giggs go to United?
Few post I came across, after some linked what I think is a site that stores posts and things even after they've been deleted in the Pogba transfer thread, In a Koke or Pogba thread.
Already signed for City in March apparently.
He's obviously worse than all of those players now though
Already signed for City in March apparently.
More recently from their new Pogba thread.
Well someone might be getting a free season ticket!
Few old quotes from Bluemoon threads on Pogba
- Pogba is worth the money. He has everything you need a midfielder. It's alright having a midfield of Kroos and gundogan, but your missing that cutting edge in my opinion. Adding gundogan and pogba to Fernandinho would elevate us to that next level.
- Bottom line is that whoever signs him is getting an absolute beast of a player who almost certainly has his best years ahead of him, regardless of cost.
- For the pogba money we could get gundogan, kroos and someone like Thiago or similar? Can't shake the feeling though that pogba would be the best signing we could make this summer!??
- What's often forgotten when making the we could get 3/4 players instead of one argument is the wages.
Yes Pogba will cost a lot in transfer fee and wages but he is a marketing dream and we would more than cover a transfer like this with sponsorships etc.
3/4 lesser players would still cost the same, no doubt more in wages and wouldn't make us the sort of money off the pitch a Pogba would.
We will know what it takes to get the deal done and it just remains to be seen whether we do it or not.
- What's often forgotten when making the we could get 3/4 players instead of one argument is the wages.
- Just spent a pleasant afternoon at a rather lovely villa out here. Anyway, source very close to Pogba's agent says he can only see Pogba joining Pep at City still.
- I think we will get him. Pep was never going to arrive alone and a real world class signing was always going to happen and imo, Pogba will be that man.
- He's (Sanches) probably United bound (Mendes) and the fee is absurd, but this kid is immensely talented and 5 years younger than Pogba, it wouldn't surprise me if he's spoken about in similar terms in a few years, though I've only seen him 3 or 4 times so it isn't a particularly informed opinion. He carries benfica's midfield.
- Pogba is a big talent with a lot of experience and so much potential so i don't mind breaking the bank for him. Sterling is english and has prem experience so i understand his price tag being huge but that much for an 18yr old is a huge risk i don't think we need to take,but hey it's not my money and i trust pep to decide.
- If this guy is going for a reputed £48m surely it's better to spend another £20-25m and get Pogba?
- Sky are saying United favorites to land him for £40m(far too much) but we should jack the price up by making a cheeky bid, this would limit their spending a little and also we could use it to drive the price down on Pogba who will be our real target. Get in!
- I'd take Pogba over Koke all day, I think the potential of Pogba far outweighs the potential of Koke. In the right setup and with the right management Pogba will become an incredible player.
- Pogba adds that unique height and strength which most teams can't match. Perfect toure replacement.
- I thought Pogba was virtually signed sealed and delivered.
- Pogba all day long. Since we have been linked with the lad ive watched him as much as i can and he just gets better and better every game. Our new Yaya without a doubt.
- No brainer.......luckily for us the powers that be think the same.
- Koke is a very good player but he is no Pogba.
- Koke has been shit this season. Still an excellent excellent player but Pogba is a level up. Pogba should be number 1 priority this summer and i think we'll get him too.
- Depends. If we are getting Gundogan already, I'd take Pogba. But if we are not getting Gundogan, well in that case, I'll take Pogba
- Pogba. No question.
- pogba. kdb is trash
- pogba! both is the obvious preference but our needs for a world class cm outweigh picking de bruyne. add to the fact we have Samir, rony, navas then if we couldn't get de bruyne then we would still have options. pogba would also send a huge message out that we finally do mean business!
- If you're asking which position is in most urgent need of strengthing, at the present time, we definitely need someone on the left side of midfield to give us more of more of a genuine balance there. (Presumably DeBruyn's role if he eventually joins) if you're asking which one is will take us to the next level... It certainly won't be KDB. Got to be Pogba, for me, no question.
- Pogba. Despite the good work so far this summer, i'd probably feel a bit disappointed and think we'll be a bit too weak in a key area if we didn't bring in Pogba. KDB i don't see as essential. I don't even see him as an automatic starter.
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So City haven't bought an outstanding footballer because it would bring "unwanted attention and pressure"?
City haven't signed Pogba because of a factor of reasons I imagine. I doubt we'd be able to afford Pogba under FFP with our other deals. We looked into him last summer but clearly haven't revisited it this summer.
Where did I say we haven't signed him because we didn't want the pressure or attention. That's a bonus in my eyes. As I said, on footballing teams I really rate him and I like to see him in our starting 11 but you can't deny a £100m deal comes with baggage. But continue twisting my words if it makes you happy.
Maybe he's learned from that mistake?
Loving those @Bicks. More please
I honestly believe that if City was the only offer on the table Pogba would just spend another year or two at Juventus and wait for RM. You must realize that players today see themselves as brands and products, being associated with the United brand as opposed to the City brand is just that much more valuable (this is not a slight, but let's be realistic here, we basically have a 20 year headstart).
If the player seriously wanted to go to city I absolutely believe that you would move heaven and earth to get him, both because he is a player of rare quality, but double that since it would literally be spitting in our face, and you know the press would lap it up. Tevez x 100000.
Really? I don't think anyone, even most of my United mates, see Pogba as one of theirs (yours). I mean you signed him from a French club and he was only at United 1 or 2 years wasn't he? Personally I don't think Pogba going to City from Juve would be seen as some sort of betrayal on his part as an ex-red.
I know what you mean re brands but CL football speaks volumes and you don't have that although it's obviously only a matter of time. I don't think it's even a questions of City v United with this one though because I don't think Pogba is really a Pep player, he's much more suited to a Jose team. Equally I think City could attract any player with the Pep factor outside of Madrid and Barca, maybe Bayern if they are German (although it seems Sane is keen on coming to City). At this point in time there's very little difference between City and United in terms of pulling power. I imagine that will change if you get back to the top but City have come along way in a short time. Brand-wise yes, you're still streets ahead but not sure that has much influence on players as you're suggesting. At the end of the day if teams match wages, transfer fees and agent fees, players will decide for footballing reasons (I'd hope/assume).
He's about as United as Iheanacho is City.
Pogba was at United for three years, 09 - 12. He called United his 'first family' the other day.
It would feel like a betrayal on some level if he had gone to City. Not a major one but still a betrayal.
He is not seen as one of our own, you are right about that. But you just know that the press would milk the "Pogba rejects United to go to City" angle for all it was worth, and so would City. Also the customary "I chose the biggest club in Manchester" press conference would be guaranteed.
I disagree on the pulling power. We can match \ outbid you when it comes to wages, and we will do so moving forward. It is sort of like a Spanish scenario with Athletico and RM, most players would choose RM, simply because of the history, aura, prestige and marketing, as opposed to Athletico which has every bit as much a mouthwaterhing project going on. I sort of feel like you have missed your golden chance so to say, financially and for wages we couldn't compete with you right after the Sheikh takeover due to our massive debt and stingy owners, now we are on par financially. Also I feel like you haven't had the success you should have had in our barren years, you must realize that we have basically had two clowns in charge for three years that couldn't have done a better job at reducing our chances of winning and diminish our standing in world football if they were hired as City agents. Now I feel that there is a new dawn at Manchester United, the money is there, the manager is there and the whole vibe is different. I honestly believe that we will now attempt the galactico route with £100-200m for each and every transfer window, which we with nearly £600m turnover and a close to 40% yearly increase in turnover (and that is without any form of success on the pitch) are quite able to do.
Exciting times ahead indeed. And I think that the fact that a commerically and income\expenditure driven club is able to compete with you, psg, chelsea and the other sugardaddy clubs are quite a feat, and a testament to a brand building and commercial nouse that could rival that of Apple.
I hope they've got their photoshop ready for the aerial view of the us v them game...... Assuming the traffic being bad.
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Not really, Pogba spent 3 years at United, including actually playing in the youth teams. Iheanacho barely featured for City's, he came in as a player pretty much ready to be a young back up to the first team, United had to work with Pogba.
Disparity will be less than Ann Arbor. Chinese came to the party later, plus City have gone after China as a target market. We'll have more, but not like Northern USA where everyone is a United fan.
Like Freddie Veseli.
Veseli is pony. Pogba is fantastic. This obviously changes feelings somewhat.
I have travelled a lot in Asia due to work (indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, Malaysia, China etc.), and for every City replica shirt you see you see 10 United replica shirts.
China is too big a market for us to not focus on, North America is ours already, Europe is already split up between the top teams, South America belongs to Barca \ Real, Asia excluding Asia is largely ours already, only China remains. And we will put an effort in, be certain.
Kinda agrees with my point: we've already 'won', North America; China is a younger market so less disparity between us.
Like when he signed Zlatan to Barca? Yea you're right that was devoid of any headlines.
Edit: Nevermind, I see someone already beat me to it.
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Perhaps. But you said he's never been about the razzmatazz, which isn't true.
I suspect "red" meaning good fortune and happiness, would give us a massive advantage, even if we'd only started a few months back ( same as them) but we've been one of their favourite teams for a long time. If they have blue seats for the city fans, that could stand out .......if empty.
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I only see barca and United shirts with any regularity in Japan. The odd Chelsea one here and there and a few Liverpool.
I have yet to see a City one. Maybe it's because of the language. City is pronounced Shitty. When anyone mentions them, I always say I didn't hear and ask them to repeat it a few times.
I have yet to see a City one. Maybe it's because of the language. City is pronounced Shitty. When anyone mentions them, I always say I didn't hear and ask them to repeat it a few times.
I understand what you mean but I don't think United have the pull of Madrid and I think City are more attractive than Atleti because we are in a different financial league. I agree United seem to have taken on the Madrid model though and I do think that will propel you to new heights, especially once you're back in the CL