In all honesty, there is nothing wrong in it. The sentence that is, not the Bluemoon point. In economics weaknesses can and are typically turned into strengths. I don't know how well that applies to football however.
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In all honesty, there is nothing wrong in it. The sentence that is, not the Bluemoon point. In economics weaknesses can and are typically turned into strengths. I don't know how well that applies to football however.
City play a tighter system than us. Our downfall this season has been going toe to toe with lesser teams. City, under Mancini, never play with that kind of abandon. Earlier in the season I don't think that Fergie knew our best team, he seems to have accepted now that Giggs and Scholes are not good enough to be starting in CM in big games.
All that said, for me, the fundamental difference between the two teams this year: is that our forwards have done the business whilst theirs have not.
Its common knowledge that teams will try that bit harder against the champions, and are far more likely to park the bus. Since when did those feckers get a superiority complex over us?
Well, I haven't watched City play all that many times this season tbh, but from a United point of view there's definitely some sense to what he's saying, we're certainly benefitting from our games being more open than they have been in recent seasons. If City are facing ten men behind the ball every week then I can see why they might be more likely to drop points in relation to ourselves who haven't had to contend with that at all this season. You'd think that surely it's just a matter of tactics, but I'm not convinced that on United's part is has been a tactical decision, more, like ya man says, that our defence has been genuinely ropey and thus teams are coming at us at every opportunity; but is there something more to this than meets the eye?
City's games have largely been much tighter than ours. They've drawn four blanks in the Premier League this season, only scoring a single goal in seven fixtures. Compare that to United who have only failed to score twice whilst scoring a single goal on a mere four occasions, you get a picture of how better teams seem to be defending against Manchester City in relation to ourselves.
Is this a valid excuse though? The BM poster seems to be saying that teams are getting their tactics wrong against United whilst more often getting them right against City; but can the reverse be true, that City are getting their own tactics wrong whilst us getting them right? As I've mentioned above, I'm not personally convinced that SAF has made a tactical decision to go into so many games seemingly exposed, open to be attacked or 'there for the taking', but it's certainly not impossible either. A few seasons ago we had a very similar issue to that the City fan is complaining about, in that teams were parking the bus with too much regularity against us, a 0-0 opening day draw in 2007 against Steve Coppell's Reading (source of the picture below) marked a distinct change in SAF's attitude towards how teams were defending against us, and since then work seems to have been done to address the issue. Could it be that this season in particular is seeing those efforts bearing full fruit? I'm not sure, but one thing is for certain, if City think that teams will discontinue parking the bus out of some sense of common courtesy, then they're mistaken; when faced with such tactics, the ball is in your own court, you can't sit whinging about it in the hope that your plight will gain you some sympathy and more attacking opposition, that's not gonna happen.
To sum up then, I think the Blue Moon poster has half a point, but that his complaint, such that it is, isn't down to simple dumb luck as he seems to be suggesting it is. City need to find a way to break down defenses whilst United have no problems in this regard; on such things titles are won and lost, and SAF sure has a good record when it comes to winning titles, so when our apparent weakness is seemingly one of our greatest strengths, you wouldn't put it past the manager as having a very carefully constructed method to this apparent madness.
Teams seems to defend better against them, or do we seem to attack better? I don't get his point at all, you can argue that smaller team tend to park the bus against City or us, and our bizarre defense record this season makes them feel they can get a point playing United, but simply put, we may be better at breaking defenses than them. Especially when we had to come from behind so many times.
How many times the smaller team opened the count against us, and I don't think that after they score against United they though let's keep hitting them and score 5. They retract, and then we show our resolution, attitude and talent.
Basically he's complaining smaller team are scared of big teams, boo hoo.
This is too fecking much
"Simply put utds weakness is an advantage to them and our strength is our downfall. "
The Bertie paradox
What a pillock! Doesn't he think that's precisely what could have happened to us over the past 20 years? Idiot. They'll just have to get used to it, find a way round it like we did. Twat!
Course, we could just be better, perish the thought.
Course, we could just be better, perish the thought.
Man Utd 15.3 shots per goal.
Man City 18.1 shots per goal.
Man City 18.1 shots per goal.
is that an average? wheres the link?
It is an average - link:
http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/25...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2012-2013
Its over analysing things.
City's problem is quite simple, their best players from last year, Hart, Aguero , Silva , are not playing as well this year.
Against top teams, like against us, Hart is the difference between last years draws/wins and this years losses.
Against the likes of QPR , last year silva/aguero would be tearing them new arseholes , now they look a bit clueless.
City's problem is quite simple, their best players from last year, Hart, Aguero , Silva , are not playing as well this year.
Against top teams, like against us, Hart is the difference between last years draws/wins and this years losses.
Against the likes of QPR , last year silva/aguero would be tearing them new arseholes , now they look a bit clueless.
They've picjked their money up, won a trophy and now find them selves at some nobody club, being bribed to wear the colours, but probably dreaming of a more iconic and respectable club to play for
I think their style of play is a big part too.
They are very slow in build up and possession based, it lets the opposition get their defence setup before city even reach the box, and then it is all about clever balls into the box or 1,2s. That is easier to defend when narrow and plenty of men behind the ball.
The way we play with quick attacks and stretching the pitch wide allows more space in the box. We create space by playing wide but we lack the ability of crowding the midfield.
Horses for courses of course, city may rule posession but if they can't create chances then what is the point?. Against the top teams this is perhaps a good way of playing, because if you control the opposition their is less chance for them to win, but against the small teams they are happy with a point. It is surely better to let them have a sniff at the game like we do, it draws them out of their box and doesn't let them setup a brick wall.
I really do feel that perhaps not being so in control of the games this year has actually helped us score more goals. clever fergie.
They are very slow in build up and possession based, it lets the opposition get their defence setup before city even reach the box, and then it is all about clever balls into the box or 1,2s. That is easier to defend when narrow and plenty of men behind the ball.
The way we play with quick attacks and stretching the pitch wide allows more space in the box. We create space by playing wide but we lack the ability of crowding the midfield.
Horses for courses of course, city may rule posession but if they can't create chances then what is the point?. Against the top teams this is perhaps a good way of playing, because if you control the opposition their is less chance for them to win, but against the small teams they are happy with a point. It is surely better to let them have a sniff at the game like we do, it draws them out of their box and doesn't let them setup a brick wall.
I really do feel that perhaps not being so in control of the games this year has actually helped us score more goals. clever fergie.
For Silva and possibly Aguero I think you are right, Silva just looks uninterested most of the time , hes done his thing got a medal, now what.
Fergie always said the hardest thing is keeping motivated, perhaps for the best players, this is mancini's ultimate failing.
And Fergie's strength. A lot of times people talk about him, without even mentioning the sort of mental strength the man has. And what he has imbibed in the young players coming in OT. Various players, over the course, have talked about how Fergie constantly motivates them, and doesn't have them letting their guard down in relatively easy matches.
No wonder we have won so much in the last 2 decades.
And there's your answer to us not signing midfielders, it's a honeytrap.
While everyone was banging on about Suárez's Fox Sports interview stating referees favoured United and foreigners were badly treated, what got overlooked was that Fox Sports was doign a roundup of South Americans in the EPL.
Aguero, Tevez and Zabaleta unanimously agreed they were missing Nigel de Jong, his ball recovery and quickly laying it off for the attacking players to do their stuff. Now, I never thought he was brilliant, but there's some merit in that seeing the dross they brought in instead.
Aguero, Tevez and Zabaleta unanimously agreed they were missing Nigel de Jong, his ball recovery and quickly laying it off for the attacking players to do their stuff. Now, I never thought he was brilliant, but there's some merit in that seeing the dross they brought in instead.
Teams parked the bus against us in 08 and our football wasn't as good as the year before, but we got over it and kept winning because we're great.
I don't think that De Jong is responsible for Aguero's 8 goals in 15(5) games or Tevez's 7 goals in 18(4) games, granted that Tevez has 7 assists, Aguero only two. Nonetheless, those are not the stats of a world class striker in the modern game. City have the chances on goal too, 17 last night, they are just not finishing them.
Being out of the CL also may be playing a part. People can go on about it being a distraction but its the next trophy level for the likes of Silva and Aguero.
I agree they have a problem scoring more than anything else, the question was about them being second and out of the CL though. Thought it was interesting three players all banging on about it, may indicate some internal rumblings regarding the Summer ins and outs.
A good point. Remember Chelsea in Vialli's days? They only showed up for Europe, that was their stage.
There may be an element of that and that is exactly were getting rid of de Jong in favour of García/Rodwell may not be in line with the direction they want/expect the club to go in.
This is too fecking much
"Simply put utds weakness is an advantage to them and our strength is our downfall. "
This is on the level of "a loss is a win".
This! Welcome to what happens when you become the champions!
Is the fool really saying we didn't attack them? We scored 4! That's not bad for not attacking!
Of course he'd love every team to go there open as hell, and try and take them on.
Clearly when you're playing a team assembled for 500 or so million, with a rag tag bunch of bargains, you're probably not going to come off well!
Having said that, hopefully SAouthampton try exactly that tonight
Corrected.
David Gill must have had a day off
Yep, this is key, and is really causing the problem he's talking about. If Caftards thought we were 'zombie passing' in the early stages of the season, they should have watched City. They don't lose the ball much, so eventually they end up somewhere in the vicinity of the opposition's penalty area. But they're so ponderous and purposeless in their passing in midfield that by the time they get there, the entire opposition has been squeezed back into a defensive block.
Bluemoon's 'Can a loss be a win'
More a case of "can a win be a loss", since they argue after winning it they can't win again...
The caf gets an honourable mention :
In the "United without RVP thread":
Oh the irony.
Oh the irony.
Do the numpties at RAWK even care about what happens with City? Other than wanting them to beat us I can't see why. Why would they be laughing at them then?
Didn't he cost us roughly what they paid for Balotelli, or Tevez, less than Dzeko, and significantly less than Agüero?
And he didn't want to go there anyway. They tried to buy the league for the foreseeable future adding a fifth striker, shame RvP wouldn't be bought by them.
Which is loonier, RAWK or Bluemoon? I'd say RAWK wins easily on delusion but Bluemoon on bitterness. Bitterness comes from competition, and even the dippers seem to realise, deep down, that they're not in competition with us any more.
We are, many thanks for that.
We are, many thanks for that.
These Bluemoon and RAWK threads have me worried that the CAF might apppear just as bad when we're not doing so well, or decisions go against us!
Its funny reading their united thread its all talk about our share price, its weird seeing a football fan take rejoice in a share price dropping a couple of cents...
Im sure there was a thread about RVP a while back where they were all claiming that it wasnt to do with money that he joined us it was something else, they wouldnt say what that something was mind.
No. I read on all three when I started following english football more closely and there's a huge difference. Don't worry. Of course you've got a few idiots but usually there are enough sane users around to keep them in check. The newbie section on here is a better football forum than RAWK and Bluemoon, let alone the main forum.
Glad to hear it!
We're buyign the league?
Riiiiiight.
Riiiiiight.