Torres chose Rafa, not Liverpool if you get my drift. Liverpool's owners to their credit wasted a lot of money backing Rafa.
All complaints Torres has should be forwarded to Rafa.
Blow it all on Torres (before Chelsea does)
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Torres chose Rafa, not Liverpool if you get my drift. Liverpool's owners to their credit wasted a lot of money backing Rafa.
All complaints Torres has should be forwarded to Rafa.
Yeah thats true, I'm just saying imo Flair and Unpredictablity are not necessarily the same things. Torres doesn't pull out fancy stuff in the mould of a Ronaldinho i.e. a technically gifted wizard, but he can blow your mind just through not knowing when he's going to step on the gas and burn past opponents whereas Villa has more of a tricksy fancy approach to going past players.
It reminds me of when Ronaldo and Rooney were younger, one had bags of flair but Rooney was always more exciting to watch when running at players because you feel like you were watching an unpredictable force of nature unleashed.
Exactly - if anything he was clearly a massive signing for Liverpool because a player of his calibre could (and arguably should) have gone to a better positioned club. Saying that, the Liverpool he joined looked alot more likely to do better than this current side, even with the addition of Suarez. He's probably looking at an aging Gerrard and thinking I don't want to do the same as him - which is basically drag Liverpool through drudgery and occasionally bring them great success.
Also, I think you're right concerning Chelsea, they also have the same issue of aging stars along with not looking a patch on the team they were just a year or so ago.
Let's be honest though, joining us? Good as it would be for the right price, isn't going to happen.
Well, he's not coming to Old Trafford, but I'd have him in a heart beat regardless of his injury record. And whether he's a sulker or not, the man's an exciting player to watch when in full flow. But yeah, no chance. Who knows where he'll end up though? perhaps City are his best bet in the summer.
Equally, I'd love to see him at United, but I definitely feel whoever gets him is going to over-pay by quite an extraordinary amount. City are his best bet for money, but with Dzeko recently signed, Balotelli, Dzeko, Tevez and Torres while being a frightening line-up is simply too many egos.
Oh I agree...But it still doesn't make him as much of a cnut as Rooney or Ruud. He genuinely is doing this for his career, and with good reason.
I can't for one second see this happening but prior to his injury he was clearly one of the best strikers in world football if not the best on his day.
If he can stay fit then at 26 he will be an exceptional buy for Chelsea and will strengthen them no end, for that reason i'd have no concern if we were to go in for him.
If he can stay fit then at 26 he will be an exceptional buy for Chelsea and will strengthen them no end, for that reason i'd have no concern if we were to go in for him.
What about Kevin Phillips? He scored fecking 30 goals for Sunderland, something its probable that neither Torres or Chicharito will achieve, and he did it with far worse team-mates than Torres ever will play with. I have always said that Wayne Rooney is better than Fernando Torres. I think he is, was and always will be just that.
Chicharito is playing his first season in the highest level in the world, no league is the level of the Premier League. He has about 700 minutes and 7 goals as a third choice striker. That is just awesome.
One of my favourite strikers of all time, is the eastern wind, Andriy Shevchenko. I just have to say that I see a lot of similarities in him and Chicharito. Positioning, the flair, the pace, the finishing, two-footed, despite being rather short at 1.75 he is a strong header. He has the speed and finishing of Shevchenko and the positioning of Inzaghi and attude of Solskjaer, he seems like a really great guy.
Torres has played with a top 4 team for most of his career. He had Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano behind him... Let me remind you that the team Chicharito has played for has been varied, he has played with our best and second best players, he has not had Torres's continuity and that is a massive advantage to Torres. Chicharito is far more effective than him this season, he has a lot less playing time too, one less goal in the league, more in all tournaments.
Chicharito can become brilliant, he is a amazing talent. After the minutes he got in the world cup as well as the Community Shield fixture I bet he would get 10 league goals this season, and I did that knowing he would be the reserve behind Berbatov and Rooney. And I was just as positive in round one of the Premier League as I am now.
And one thing, Torres is great, but he is no Thierry Henry or Shevchenko. I think you might be overrating Torres a tad to. Its not like he has ever been the best forward in the world like most scousers think.
I will never understand Why Anyone would ever want our club to buy a player from one of our closest rivals.
It's pathetic. Where is the skill in buying your rivals best players?
Leave That pathetic practice to City and Madrid...
It's pathetic. Where is the skill in buying your rivals best players?
Leave That pathetic practice to City and Madrid...
You are deluded. On form, he is imola the best striker in the world
The Shevchenko comparison is a little unfortunate given his spell in England
For God sake man, he was a stupid signing for Chelsea. Just went 30, he had not been himself for the last couple of years, he was a descending footballer, if he should move from Italy to England he should have done it years earlier than when he did. Chelsea played way to much money for him, because Milan really did not want to sell him. And I don't he was not Mourinho's signing, he was Roman Abramovic's signing. I feel confident of that because he does not fit in to Mourinho's tactic of choice. 4-3-3 with wingers and a target man/fox in the box in the middle. That is what he did with Inter, that is what he did with Chelsea. The Shevchenko to Chelsea deal was doomed from day one... But in the beginning of the last decade and the late nineties, what a player.
The thing about Chicharito, is that he is going to become better... A lot better. Because I feel that he is a intelligent players, and as Cantona would say, experience is more vital to intelligent players. Cantona said something like that 25-30 was the best years for footballers because then they had experience and was on their physical peak as well as their understanding of the game was at its best. His positioning will get better. And like Shevchenko, he has that ridiculous flair, he stays onside and he is gone, he gets the pass and its a goal before the defence understand what hit them. Torres came to Liverpool with 249 matches in Atletico Madrid. Chicharito comes with two seasons in Mexico. After the first, he did so bad that he considered retiring... Experience is vital to become world class. Look at how Nani has progressed, even he had far better experience than Chicharito when he signed. And you can say the same on Fletcher, Ronaldo, Rooney, Solskjaer.. Ferguson is the best player developer in the world, everyone gets better in a few years, and it is already obvious that he fits in the Premier League. And when he gets better from being the most effective forward in the Premier Leauge? (I don't know if he is but he is at the top somewhere, he has a lot of goals in few minutes on the pitch.) You become someone really special.
Chicharito will become a world class footballer, I am 100% sure of that.Torres is great, not perfect. And about the teammates bit, we have a great midfield, but it would not be hard to improve it. We don't need to improve it to much as we are the best in England. We could improve the left wing, as well as a attacking midfielder. If we did that we would be less predictable. We are great, but far from perfect at the moment, we are not close to where we were in 06/07 and 07/08. Chicharito does not play in a perfect team neither. And he has often done well in matches where United has struggled. That Torres play for a worse club is a bad argument, as the team has been built around him. Torres has done all that can be expected from him as a goalscorer. It is the others that fail, that has nothing to do with Torres's quality.. He would not do much better anywhere else.
The thing about Chicharito, is that he is going to become better... A lot better. Because I feel that he is a intelligent players, and as Cantona would say, experience is more vital to intelligent players. Cantona said something like that 25-30 was the best years for footballers because then they had experience and was on their physical peak as well as their understanding of the game was at its best. His positioning will get better. And like Shevchenko, he has that ridiculous flair, he stays onside and he is gone, he gets the pass and its a goal before the defence understand what hit them. Torres came to Liverpool with 249 matches in Atletico Madrid. Chicharito comes with two seasons in Mexico. After the first, he did so bad that he considered retiring... Experience is vital to become world class. Look at how Nani has progressed, even he had far better experience than Chicharito when he signed. And you can say the same on Fletcher, Ronaldo, Rooney, Solskjaer.. Ferguson is the best player developer in the world, everyone gets better in a few years, and it is already obvious that he fits in the Premier League. And when he gets better from being the most effective forward in the Premier Leauge? (I don't know if he is but he is at the top somewhere, he has a lot of goals in few minutes on the pitch.) You become someone really special.
Chicharito will become a world class footballer, I am 100% sure of that.Torres is great, not perfect. And about the teammates bit, we have a great midfield, but it would not be hard to improve it. We don't need to improve it to much as we are the best in England. We could improve the left wing, as well as a attacking midfielder. If we did that we would be less predictable. We are great, but far from perfect at the moment, we are not close to where we were in 06/07 and 07/08. Chicharito does not play in a perfect team neither. And he has often done well in matches where United has struggled. That Torres play for a worse club is a bad argument, as the team has been built around him. Torres has done all that can be expected from him as a goalscorer. It is the others that fail, that has nothing to do with Torres's quality.. He would not do much better anywhere else.
29 in 45, 26 in 40 and 28 in 40 in his last three seasons at Milan. When you start a long post by fabricating things to back up your argument it's not very tempting to read the rest of it.
His weakest seasons in Milan was 01/02 and 02/03, his last three was consistantly brilliant.
First of all, I too usually base my facts on stats, but not in this case. I watch most of AC Milans matches, especially back when Shevchenko played. One difference is after the 2005 final. Shevchenko took the penentlies. Ahead of it, he didn't Pirlo did, and I believe he never missed a penalty in his career until the disaster in Istanbul. And he did not do as well in the league neither. But even though he kept scoring, he wasnt the same. Because he lost speed, that flair of his was extreme, a brilliant pass from Seedorf, Rui Costa, Kaka or Pirlo - arridiveci - goal. Like the blitzkrieg, the opponents bareley understood what happened.
What made Shevchenko the best forward in the world, and he was that at a point - was that speed, I dont believe he ran as fast as Henry, but that flair and incredible timing disappeared towards the end of his career. A bit like van Nistelrooy really, his stats was always great, but there is no doubt that he was better his first couple of years than his last couple of years?
I would agree that he was perhaps not as devastating as around the start of the decade but you make it sound like they were bying some washed up has-been which was clearly not the case. He was still a formidable striker and his last season at Milan contrasts greatly to his first at Chelsea imo. More a case of not suited to the league like Veron rather than a massive decline in ability.
He probably could have done well in Italy for years more when Chelsea bought him. But £30m is a lot of money. For a player who at best had five years left? Not to mention that he probably made 150k a week... He was a huge investment and a stupid signing.
We should have got him from Kiev, he was lightning & could play on the wing or up front. I remember being really pissed off when Milan signed him, just had a feeling he was made for us.
well I sure the feck told you lot!*
* it might have been mehro.
* it might have been mehro.
I'm happy we didn't spend 50mil on him at the moment
tbh I was only gloating about the Chelsea part.
He might do well for them, but he'll have to be exceptional to justify his price tag. Considering he's been out of form and very injury prone for a while now I don't think he was a good buy.
I'm sure he'll be happy to have a chance at silverware for once in his career. It will boost him.
Possibly, but he was garbage in the World Cup despite Spain being the runaway favourites for whatever reasons
They were likely making fun of him for being a Liverpool player to be fair.
"Hey Nando, me and my Barca mates just won a treble...nanananana"
"Hey Nando, me and my Barca mates just won a treble...nanananana"
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