Blaise Matuidi

That's why we need a different CM to Matiudi or to pair with him, I mean even without the Rooney situation that double pivot is unbalanced with 2 water carriers and no playmaker.

Herrera would be perfect for that playmaker role if we can get the player before LVG tried to change his play style. Asking a play who's best skill set is his vision and ability to make defense splitting passes to be risk averse was not one of LVG's smartest moves. We'd have 3 midfielders in Herrera, Matuidi, and Schneiderlin who can all defend and press. Yet all of them can contribute going forwards as needed.

Just a matter of how much time Jose is willing to give Rooney before shelving him. Considering the influence Rooney has on the locker room it would be foolish to upset him from the get go. Though if he performs poorly, then players will understand if he's replaced. Wish our managers would learn from SAF that no player is greater than the club.
 
Herrera would be perfect for that playmaker role if we can get the player before LVG tried to change his play style. Asking a play who's best skill set is his vision and ability to make defense splitting passes to be risk averse was not one of LVG's smartest moves. We'd have 3 midfielders in Herrera, Matuidi, and Schneiderlin who can all defend and press. Yet all of them can contribute going forwards as needed.

Just a matter of how much time Jose is willing to give Rooney before shelving him. Considering the influence Rooney has on the locker room it would be foolish to upset him from the get go. Though if he performs poorly, then players will understand if he's replaced. Wish our managers would learn from SAF that no player is greater than the club.

I don't think Herrera is a playmaker, he's fine doing short 1-2's in the final 3rd and working from there, but I am meaning a proper CM that sits deeper and sees the field and can orchestrate the tempo of the team, like Carrick or Scholes did for us, we need one of those next to the water carrier options, for me Herrera is screwed if we go 4-2-3-1.

The players were playing with him all last season so they must know how spent he is, and his influence shouldn't extend too far as most of these players are fairly new to United. I agree though that it will have to be done gradually, as the media alone will be all over Jose if he drops Rooney immediately.
 
From last season, he wasn't that good and will not improve our team.
No need to buy 29 year old player who is on his way to decline.
 
I'd be very disappointed with this signing. I've been quite down compared to most on our transfers so far but I can at least see what Zlatan and Mkhi both bring to the table. I may not rate either as highly as others but we needed a killer in front of goal and we (hopefully) got that in Zlatan, and we needed a player who can consistantly put chances on a plate for our forwards and that's Mkhi's main quality. Though, if played on the right I doubt we'll see that to full effect, but I digress.

With Matuidi however, he is the definition of average. He suits PSG because all his hard work allows their best players more freedom to create and he doesn't have to do much in terms of being an attacking outlet but here he'd need to do a lot more considering we don't have the quality PSG do, and he doesn't have the quality to do that to an acceptable standard imo.

I'd take Rooney as the #8/box to box midfielder over him any day. Not to mention Schweinsteiger who's been rubbish since joining, and Fellaini who I don't think is good enough for us either over him, too. Then there's Herrera who, though I'm a fan, I'm still not sure is good enough but would like to see given the chance anyhow.

If we were to sign a midfielder in that mould I'd much prefer Lass Diarra.
I don't think you've seen him play.
 
Downgrade on Schneiderlin. Especially as I'd expect Schneiderlin to be a lot closer to his form pre-philosphy

Wouldn't be impressed if this is our midfield signing. At 29, he can surely only play this high intensity box to box role for a couple more seasons anyway?
No.
 
From last season, he wasn't that good and will not improve our team.
No need to buy 29 year old player who is on his way to decline.

Oh my God now 29 is the beginning of the end:lol:.Zlatan might as well not even bother showing up then if that is the case.I really am getting tired of all this "He's to old, we need to buy somebody younger".Jesus, at 29 the guy has plenty of great years of football left in him.
 
Oh my God now 29 is the beginning of the end:lol:.Zlatan might as well not even bother showing up then if that is the case.I really am getting tired of all this "He's to old, we need to buy somebody younger".Jesus, at 29 the guy has plenty of great years of football left in him.
It's not just about his age. He is declining from last season.
 
I'd be very disappointed with this signing.

With Matuidi however, he is the definition of average. He suits PSG because all his hard work allows their best players more freedom to create and he doesn't have to do much in terms of being an attacking outlet but here he'd need to do a lot more considering we don't have the quality PSG do, and he doesn't have the quality to do that to an acceptable standard imo.

If we were to sign a midfielder in that mould I'd much prefer Lass Diarra.

I agree. We do not need another water carrier in the midfield. What this team needs is an attacking central midfielder with a good passing range. Matuidi, Kante etc. are only slight upgrades on Schneiderlin. They only makes sense if Schneiderlin is moved along.

And yes, if Schneiderlin is staying then a sitting defensive midfielder like Diarra (who is on his way to Russia, most likely) would be much more preferable. Though, not at the expense of an attacking mid.
 
29 year old water carrier. Nah. He's obviously surplus to requirements, and PSG-inspired journos are advertising. I can't see Jose going for this one.
 
He would easily be our best midfielder. Hopefully the aim is Pogba but if we end up buying Matuidi it also great.
 
The thing with Schweinsteiger is he's always injured and we are already going to be managing the games of a 35 year old in the same position, just not ideal in the PL IMO. The thing for me is even if we disocunt Pogba for a moment we have Carrick, Herrera, Martial, Ibra and Mkhitaryan all best suited to playing 4-3--3, only Rooney would benefit from 4-2-3-1 as it makes Herrera and Carrick in particular ineffective.

Then I look at this:

------------Ibra

Martial---Rooney---Mkhitaryan

----Matuidi---Schneiderlin

It doesn't really fill me with confidence in terms of being well balanced, it's too slow in the center of attack and the midfield has no creativity or real passing quality in it..

Agreed on Weigl, his understanding of the holding role is very impressive for such a young player in his first big season, tremendous bit of scouting from Dortmund to pick him up so cheap.


True - Schweini, Rooney and Ibra in the same team will be too slow for a lot of games, especially if Carrick is going to be playing (which I imagine he will, as we aren't linked with any real holding midfielders). I do think that when he's fit, though, he will be useful in games where teams sit back and don't press us, like if we're chasing a lead late on, or behind to a lesser team.

I imagine Mourinho will have to decide soon enough what his first XI will be - a 433 (with Rooney dropped or on the wing, where he hasn't played since 08/09), as Mou said he won't be playing in midfield, or a 4231 with Rooney as a 10. An in form Rooney for the whole season would make the second option better, but he hasn't been consistent for a whole year since around 2013 (the run in of 12/13 and the start to the Moyes season). If we have to shoehorn an out of form Rooney into the side and play 4231, it will definitely hold us back.

I wasn't aware that BVB bought Weigl, actually - I always thought he came from their system. Whoever does their scouting is doing an amazing job. He reminds me of Carrick in so many ways, less defensively apt but he can cover more ground and is very good when he is under pressure. Hope he isn't at Bayern in 3 years...

FWIW, I think a midfield 2 of Matuidi and Schneiderlin could prove sufficient in a lot of PL games, like the ones at home against non top 4 sides, or against the lesser teams. Schneiderlin will definitely have to recapture his Soton form for it to work, though - he is playing with a lot of inhibition at the moment, but I like to think that will change because we no longer have Van Gaal. Still, if 4231 is what we will be playing, I don't see how Pogba, Rooney and Herrera (especially) will fit in, as you say. Surely they will all be competing for the #10 spot?
 
Matuidi is a solid choice but it would seem a pretty unspectacular signing if he's seen as the alternative to Pogba.

If the plan is to sign both, I'm not sure Matuidi is the profile of midfielder we should be looking to sign with Pogba. The role he performs isn't too dissimilar to what Schneiderlin does and I don't think a box-to-box player would really be a priority either.
 
Oh my God now 29 is the beginning of the end:lol:.Zlatan might as well not even bother showing up then if that is the case.I really am getting tired of all this "He's to old, we need to buy somebody younger".Jesus, at 29 the guy has plenty of great years of football left in him.

The age thing gets on my nerves too. If his play is declining on the pitch then that's one thing but he won't be declining because he is 29. That's a decent age for a midfielder in fact.
 
How on earth is he a downgrade on Schneiderlin... has Schneiderlin dominated good teams in the CL?
Yeah but every player we're linked to suddenly becomes Zidane or Pele. Ive never seen him dominate anything by actually watching real football matches. I'd rather keep Schneiderlin and play him than sign a 29 year old who isn't even a massive upgrade on what we have
 
29 year old water carrier. Nah. He's obviously surplus to requirements, and PSG-inspired journos are advertising. I can't see Jose going for this one.
Yep, name checks out :D

Seriously though, do you genuinely not rate Matuidi because in my opinion, he's still got a few seasons of top football left in him and for the rumoured €25 million, it's a no brainer for me.
 
The age thing gets on my nerves too. If his play is declining on the pitch then that's one thing but he won't be declining because he is 29. That's a decent age for a midfielder in fact.

Indeed. Reminds me of another French holding midfielder who excelled in the EPL under Mourinho, who signed him at about a same age too. That midget was more than a vital part of one of the best starting line ups the league has seen. 29 ain't sh*t

Wasn't josé who brought him. It was Ranieri. It doesn't change anything thou...
 
I don't know a great deal about Matuidi but on the occasaions I've seen him in the champions league and Euros he looks very energetic and has been effective the majority of the time.

I will reserve judgement and trust Mourinho IF we do go ahead and sign him. I certainly won't be holding the fact that he's 29 against him - ridiculous that people have.
 
Yep, name checks out :D

Seriously though, do you genuinely not rate Matuidi because in my opinion, he's still got a few seasons of top football left in him and for the rumoured €25 million, it's a no brainer for me.
Whether I rate him or not is beside the point in my opinion. We have Schneiderlin. I suppose we could play both but I find it a bit meh.
Now Pogba is another story. He could improve our overall disposition greatly. So I think we should go all out for a Pogba or a Kroos, or otherwise just stick with Schneiderlin/Herrera and hope they lift their game.
 
Also, if people are saying he's even slightly on the decline, I'd be concerned. This is the French League, which is the biggest one-horse race in Europe. If all 11 players on the pitch don't look like Ronaldo and Messi's love-child, then there's something wrong...

Would love to see one of those computer generated baby pics for THAT kid! :lol::lol::lol:
 
He cameback to his normal level?

Did he? From what I've heard he hasn't as yet. I've seen very little from PSG this year beyond the odd league game and their champions league highlights. This is going off other reports. I'd rather not buy him for 25m and keep schneiderlin and schweinstiger. The latter shouldn't be swapped for another destroyer in midfield. BFS will be given more freedom to attack and he's far more creative & decisive a player than Matuidi.
 
Yeah but every player we're linked to suddenly becomes Zidane or Pele. Ive never seen him dominate anything by actually watching real football matches. I'd rather keep Schneiderlin and play him than sign a 29 year old who isn't even a massive upgrade on what we have
Schneiderlin is 2 years younger.

And he will never be as good as Matuidi.
 
3 years younger & a bit premature to say that.
2 and a half and Matuidi was never as crap as Schneiderlin was last year.

He looks pretty solid at the EURO's, you know. The one where his "upgrade" is sitting on the bench.
 
3 years younger & a bit premature to say that.

I don't want Matuidi for various reasons but lets be serious here even Pogba isn't better than him in a midfield two and Matuidi is far better in a midfield three. So talking up Schneiderlin is ridiculous, he is two good tiers below Matuidi.
 
2 and a half and Matuidi was never as crap as Schneiderlin was last year.

He looks pretty solid at the EURO's, you know. The one where his "upgrade" is sitting on the bench.

Matuidi played for PSG in the French League. Its not hard to look world class there.

Schneiderlin played under LVG, where most our players looked poor. Go to his Southampton days for a better comparison, he was a beast there.

His "upgrade"?

I don't want Matuidi for various reasons but lets be serious here even Pogba isn't better than him in a midfield two and Matuidi is far better in a midfield three. So talking up Schneiderlin is ridiculous, he is two good tiers below Matuidi.

What is this based on? Please don't just take last season as bible for Schneiderlin's form.
 
Don't believe this rumour at all. More than likely noise just to scare Pogba into making a decision.
 
Matuidi played for PSG in the French League. Its not hard to look world class there.

Schneiderlin played under LVG, where most our players looked poor. Go to his Southampton days for a better comparison, he was a beast there.
Matuidi has played up against the best midfielders in the world in the CL for more than 40 games in the last years. He didn't look out of sorts - on the contrary up for the occasion.

It's one thing to look good in a Soton side, compared to a top side. It's always tough to make the jump.

His "upgrade"?

Well I've seen it here that he's downgrade on Schneiderlin, so the latter must be his upgrade, no? :)
 
What is this based on? Please don't just take last season as bible for Schneiderlin's form.

I have seen both of them plenty of times, Matuidi is far better at pressing the ball carrier, at stopping counter attacks, at launching counter attacks, at overlaping on the left, he is faster, almost never give up, since Ancelotti coached him he is almost never lost in midfield and he anticipates perfectly.

But Matuidi isn't flexible at all, he is a good player in a midfield but he is far better in a midfield three as a box to box. Now that I say that Ancelotti transformed him in weeks, so maybe Blanc is the culprit.
 
Matuidi has played up against the best midfielders in the world in the CL for more than 40 games in the last years. He didn't look out of sorts - on the contrary up for the occasion.

It's one thing to look good in a Soton side, compared to a top side. It's always tough to make the jump.

I don't think Matuidi has looked great in every champions league game (I struggle to find exact examples, though). Matuidi was certainly a beast under Ancelotti - I remember that, but at 29 he has seemingly lost a lot. Its a big risk to bring him when we already have ball winners in the side. I'd rather get Kante for the same price if anyone.

Well I've seen it here that he's downgrade on Schneiderlin, so the latter must be his upgrade, no? :)

I don't think one is an upgrade on another, at least not a £25m upgrade anyway.


I have seen both of them plenty of times, Matuidi is far better at pressing the ball carrier, at stopping counter attacks, at launching counter attacks, at overlaping on the left, he is faster, almost never give up, since Ancelotti coached him he is almost never lost in midfield and he anticipates perfectly.

But Matuidi isn't flexible at all, he is a good player in a midfield but he is far better in a midfield three as a box to box. Now that I say that Ancelotti transformed him in weeks, so maybe Blanc is the culprit.

Maybe it is a managerial issue, but do you think we are sacrificing creativity and guile going forward if we sell BFS and bring in Matuidi? Herrera certainly isn't dependable for bringing a bit of creativity in midfield.
 
Maybe it is a managerial issue, but do you think we are sacrificing creativity and guile going forward if we sell BFS and bring in Matuidi? Herrera certainly isn't dependable for bringing a bit of creativity in midfield.

No, PSG were a lot more creative than United with him and Cavani on the left and it's 25m€ not pound.
 
Would be a brilliant signing. Experienced, hardworking and a good finisher. At that price he would be a bargain.
Dont think Blaise is Pogba's replacement. Very different players. Think Matuidi will be more of an opportunistic signing. The change of management and the arrival of Krychowiak has probably limited his first team chances at PSG, Mou couldn't have known that. Pogba at No 10 and Matuidi as the b2b. A long shot, but that midfield would deliver us the league title.
 
No, PSG were a lot more creative than United with him and Cavani on the left and it's 25m€ not pound.

With the current exchange rate, I see little difference between the two.

Lets see. You're better placed to make an informed decision than I am, given your knowledge of the PSG's set up and Matuidi as a player. At the end of the day, I would be sad to see Schneiderlin or BFS go without having more than a season to prove themselves. LVG did a lot of harm in that sense.
 
If you copy and paste most the the reasons being used againt Matuidi (Age, one team league, etc) into the Zlatan thread people will eat you alive or come up with different excuses.

I think most PSG players should be judged on CL performances only.

Blaise is a decent player but I think there are better options......Pass
 
If you copy and paste most the the reasons being used againt Matuidi (Age, one team league, etc) into the Zlatan thread people will eat you alive or come up with different excuses.

I think most PSG players should be judged on CL performances only.

Blaise is a decent player but I think there are better options......Pass

If you judge him on CL performances, he is probably PSG's best player.
 
With the current exchange rate, I see little difference between the two.

Lets see. You're better placed to make an informed decision than I am, given your knowledge of the PSG's set up and Matuidi as a player. At the end of the day, I would be sad to see Schneiderlin or BFS go without having more than a season to prove themselves. LVG did a lot of harm in that sense.

Not going for a talented midfielder like Matuidi in the hopes of Schniderlin coming good one day despite him showing no signs that he is ready for a club like Man Utd would be daft
 
Not going for a talented midfielder like Matuidi in the hopes of Schniderlin coming good one day despite him showing no signs that he is ready for a club like Man Utd would be daft

He showed plenty of signs at Southampton. He deserves a clean slate after playing under such a rigid system under LVG.