Billy No Mates Draft

@Enigma_87 @MJJ @Gio

What time do you want to start tomorrow? The earliest I can put the thread up would be around 2pm. If you'd like it earlier could anyone else set-up the thread? Also can anyone tell me how to move images around the posts so we can have the team sheets side by side?
 
@RedTiger @Marty1968 @Tuppet

What time do you want to start tomorrow? The earliest I can put the thread up would be around 2pm. If you'd like it earlier could anyone else set-up the thread? Also can anyone tell me how to move images around the posts so we can have the team sheets side by side?
 
@Physiocrat

Going for the 12 p.m. KO would mean that I won't be available to discuss for 5 or so hours. Is it possible that we can move the KO time or switch to another day for a better KO time?
 
José Nasazzi - "El Gran Mariscal" ("The Great Marshal")

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The World cup winning captain and defensive rock of first global super power in Football. To say Uruguay dominated the world of football in the 20s is an understatement, not only did they lifted the Jules Rimet trophy for the first time, they also were winners of Olympic tournaments in 1924 and 1928. FIFA recognize those two tournaments as the de-facto world cup and that is the reason Uruguay are allowed to sport 4 stars on their jersey.

n 1924, the Uruguay team traveled to Paris to become the first South American team to compete in the Olympic Games. In contrast to the physical style of the European teams of the era, Uruguay played a style based around short passes. European and South American nations had never met in a competitive environment before the Paris Olympics of 1924, and as the only South American representatives little was known about the side managed by Ernesto Figoli and captained by 23-year-old legend-in-waiting José Nasazzi. Italy and Hungary were favorites, but it became rapidly apparent that the tournament's star attraction – and therefore the Games' biggest draw, because football had become vital to the coffers of the organising committee – were the mysterious visitors from a faraway southern land.

When Uruguay played their first game in the Olympic tournament of 1924 the people of Paris took little notice. A Sunday match between Italy and Spain at Stade de Colombes drew a crowd of 20,000. When Uruguay faced Yugoslavia at the same stadium a day later, on 26 May, only a few hundred turned up, unaware they were about to witness something very special.

Yugoslavia, having sent spies to watch a Uruguay training session, predicted an easy win and apologised in advance for sending the South Americans home after only one game. Uruguay beat them 7-0. They had learnt of the presence of the spies and deliberately misplaced their shots and passes in training. Three days later, Uruguay defeated the United States 3-0. A Spanish correspondent, Enrique Carcellach, wrote:
I have been watching football for 20 years and have never seen any team play with the mastery of this Uruguay team. I did not suspect football could be brought to this degree of virtuosity, this artistic limit. They were playing chess with the feet!
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Italy's Gazzetta dello Sport wrote of Uruguay's "musical phrasing" on the pitch, of their "stylistic perfection". The editor ofL'Equipe, Gabriel Hanot, who had himself played at international level, said Uruguay's players were "like thoroughbreds next to farm horses" in comparison to north European players. Word quickly spread, and 45,000 people saw Uruguay trounce France 5-1 in the quarter-finals. In the semis there were nearly six times more spectators at Uruguay's tie than there were at the other tie.

Four years later, European sides were more alert to the dangers posed by South American opponents at the Amsterdam Games of 1928, but remained powerless to resist. Argentina made its entrance to the big stage, 17 countries participated (England boycotted 1924 and 1928 over allowing the entrance of semi-pros), 11 from Europe, Egypt, USA, Mexico, Chile, Argentina and the eventual champs, Uruguay. Uruguay and a highly offensive Argentina swept their way to the final, Uruguay winning the replay 2-1 after the first match had ended all square. Uruguay were back-to-back champions of the world – the three main stands of the Centenario Stadium in Montevideo are named the Colombes, Amsterdam and Olympic Stands, in memory of those triumphs.

The Olympic tournament would never again have the same status, and Uruguay would not feature in it again until London 2012, but no matter; in the summers of 1924 and 1928, world football gained its first true superpower. I'd say those four stars are more than justified.

Now its easy to be considered a legend by association with a great team, especially in the light of lack of footage available. But his record and the individual accolades he won are a testament to the fact that he was no mere cog, but was absolute bed rock on which Uruguay’s world conquering success was built on. He was declared the best player of tournament in world cup 1930, to this day the only defender to have won this accolade. But that was no fluke as he also won the best player award in Copa America 1923 and 1935, while leading his team to victories. This award haul is probably unique in world football for a defender and I think he is one of the most successful NT player of all time.

He led his team to 7 international tournaments and won 6 of them, here’s Uruguay’s record with him -

CA before 3rd, with 1st, 1st, 1st, without 2nd, with 3rd, 1st, after 3rd

WC before -, with 1st, after -

OL before -, with 1st, 1st, after -

Could've won second World Cup 1934, but his country didn't want to participate.
 
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Nasazzi's international career began in the 1923 South American Championship on home soil, with his debut coming at right full-back in the opening game against Paraguay. Uruguay won that game and the two that followed to claim the championship, and Nasazzi was named player of the tournament. The following year, the national team travelled to Europe for the first time to play in the Olympic Games in Paris. Under Nasazzi's captaincy Uruguay stormed through the tournament, winning all five matches by a combined margin of 20 goals to two to claim the gold medals. Despite this international success, the amateur status of Uruguayan football meant that throughout the 1920s he kept his job of cutting marble for a living.


He would lead Uruguay to further success in the next two South American Championships in which they appeared. Titles were claimed on home soil once more in 1924, and in Chile in 1926, after conflicts within the national association had led them to miss the 1925 edition. Nasazzi did not play in the 1927 tournament as Uruguay finished as runners-up behind Argentina, but was back in 1928 as the team returned to Europe to defend their Olympic title in Amsterdam.


Victories over the Netherlands and Germany took Uruguay into the final against great rivals Argentina, and after a draw in the initial game they claimed victory in a replay. Nasazzi had led his country to a second gold medal, and a fourth major title in just six years. In 1929 he was unsuccessful in the South American Championship for the first time as Uruguay could only finish third, having won all three previous tournaments in which Nasazzi had been in the squad. However, the main focus for the national team was now the first World Cup in 1930, which they would host.

Wins over Peru and Romania in the group stage and Yugoslavia in the semi-final took Uruguay into another final match-up against Argentina. At half-time their hopes were starting to fade as Argentina took a 2-1 lead, but Nasazzi was able to inspire his team to a second half fightback which brought three goals and World Cup glory with a final score of 4-2. As the Olympic Games had been the biggest international tournament in the world prior to the introduction of the World Cup, Nasazzi had now effectively led his country to three consecutive global titles. His impact on Uruguay's success was recognized when he was named player of the tournament.

Nasazzi was denied the chance of leading his country in a second World Cup when the holders refused to take part in the 1934 tournament in Italy in protest at the small number of European teams who had travelled to the 1930 finals. However, there was to be one final success at the end of his career at the 1935 South American Championship, the first such tournament for six years. Just as he had been 12 years earlier, Nasazzi was player of the tournament as Uruguay took another title by winning all three games, Nasazzi's defence conceding just one goal.

Playing style and Domestic league - Nasazzi helped Bella Vista to win the Uruguayan Second Division with an unbeaten record in 1922, and from 1923 onwards led the team as they became an established force in the top division. He developed a reputation as a strong, quick defender with excellent positional ability, and quickly caught the attention of the national team selectors. His leadership skills and the respect that he was able to command from his team-mates made him the ideal candidate for the captaincy. Nasazzi became something of a father figure to the rest of the team, even in his 20s, as his colleagues looked up to him and followed his instructions.

Despite his remarkable run of success at international level, Nasazzi had so far been unable to replicate that with his club. Bella Vista had become established as a strong top division club, but had not been able to compete with the older, more powerful clubs in the country. Their best finish had been second behind Nacional in 1924, when there were two competing league competitions. When professional football came to Uruguay in the early 1930s, it was Nacional who made an offer for the national team captain and Nasazzi moved on at the end of the 1932 season.

In his first season with Nacional, the club finished level with rivals Peñarol at the top of the league and faced a play-off, which they eventually won after three matches. At the age of 32, Nasazzi finally had a major domestic honour to go with all his success at international level. A second league title would follow in 1934, as Nacional finished three points clear at the top of the league but that was to be the last championship for Nasazzi as Peñarol went on to dominate the next few seasons.

His international career finished in 1936, having captained his country to four continental titles, two Olympic gold medals and one World Cup. He retired from playing in 1937, aged 36, but returned as coach of the national side in 1942. In 1945 he led the team at the South American Championship but was unable to repeat the success of his club career, only finishing fourth. Following his retirement, Nasazzi spent some years working in radio before his death in 1968, aged 67. As well as being remembered as his country's greatest captain, he is also immortalised in the name of Bella Vista's home ground, the Estadio José Nasazzi.

In 1999 IFFHS polled for Best south American player of the century, they ranked him at 26 along with Nilton Santos and Ronaldo.

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1."Pelé"                 (Brazil)         220  (Edson Arantes do Nascimento)
2.Diego Armando Maradona (Argentina)      193
3.Alfredo di Stéfano     (Argentina)      161
4.Garrincha              (Brazil)         142  (Manoel dos Santos Garrincha)
5.José Manuel Moreno     (Argentina)       82
6.Juan Alberto Schiaffino(Uruguay)         52
7."Zico"                 (Brazil)          51  (Arthur Antunes Coimbra)
8.Arsenio Pastor Erico   (Paraguay)        42
   Elías Ricardo Figueroa (Chile)           42
10.Thomas Soãres "Zizinho"(Brazil)          40
11.Luis Alberto Cubilla   (Uruguay)         25
12.Adolfo Pedernera       (Argentina)       24
13.Arthur Friedenreich    (Brazil)          21
   "Tostão"               (Brazil)          21  (Eduardo Gonçalves de Andrade)
   Obdulio Jacinto Varela (Uruguay)         21
16.Enrique Omar Sivori    (Argentina)       19
17.Teófilo Cubillas       (Peru)            17
   Valdir Pereira Didi    (Brazil)          17
   Willington Ortiz       (Colombia)        17
20.José Leandro Andrade   (Uruguay)         16
   Héctor Scarone         (Uruguay)         16
   Alberto Spencer        (Ecuador)         16
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23.Mario Alberto Kempes   (Argentina)       15
24.Enzo Francescoli       (Uruguay)         13
   Leônidas da Silva      (Brazil)          13
26.Angel Amadeo Labruna   (Argentina)       12
   José Nasazzi           (Uruguay)         12
   Nílton dos Santos      (Brazil)          12
   Ronaldo                (Brazil)          12  (Ronaldo Luís Nazário de Lima)

30.Romário de Souza Faria (Brazil)          11

An absolute legend of the game.

 
Physiocrat said:
@Enigma_87 @MJJ @Gio

What time do you want to start tomorrow? The earliest I can put the thread up would be around 2pm. If you'd like it earlier could anyone else set-up the thread? Also can anyone tell me how to move images around the posts so we can have the team sheets side by side?
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whatever from 12 noon works for me. If you can earliest 2pm is fine per me, we can go ahead at that time. By the morning you'll have our team sheet and tactics.
 
Rob Rensenbrink

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One of the most under-rated players of the 1970's, Dutch forward Rob Rensenbrink had a bit of everything in his game. An intelligent left footer with a fantastic touch, he was tall enough to be used as a traditional centre forward yet possessed a great dribbling technique that meant he could also play out wide, where he was more than capable of leaving 2 or 3 defenders bamboozled in his wake. He probably wasn't as good a finisher as strike partner Johny Rep, but his overall game was better - his movement off the ball was excellent, often baffling the opposition with some of his runs and ability to find space. It's hard to believe he didn't reach 50 caps for the national team, and this is often put down to the fact that he left Holland to play in Belgium for almost his entire career, and that in the early 1970's the 'Royal Pair' of Cruyff and Piet Keizer was the preferred option up front for de Oranje.

Rensenbrink started out with Amsterdam club Door Wilskracht Sterk (DWS for short) who, although now an amateur club, were a genuine force back in the 60's and at the time of Rensenbrink joining them had only just been crowned Eredivisie champions. He soon began to make a name for himself with DWS and after only a couple of seasons with the first team he'd been called up to the national team by then manager Georg Kessler, making his debut in the goal-less draw against Scotland in 1968. With many of the other top Dutch clubs sniffing around him and mulling over a deal it was a big surprise when he agreed to be transferred over the border into Belgium, for a two year stint with Club Brugge. The Belgian outfit had only won the championship once in it's history but were ambitious and saw the young Rensenbrink as a key player to help them break the 10 year strangehold of Anderlecht and Standard Liege. It nearly worked - Rensenbrink's ratio of a goal every other game fired them to the runners-up spot in 1970 and 1971 but also alerted the attention of bigger clubs. Expected to move back to his native Holland, Rensenbrink surprised everyone again by staying put in Belgium and transferring to Brussels' giants Anderlecht. He would become a legend at the Parc Astrid, forming a great understanding with a number of similarly attack-minded players, notably Belgian midfield duo Ludo Coeck and Paul Van Himst and Hungarian striker Attila Ladynski. Rensenbrink's goals and flair brought the title back to Brussels at the end of his first season there and then again two years later.

The 1974 World Cup in West Germany was Rensenbrink's first international tournament appearance. Up until then Rensenbrink had played second fiddle to Ajax striker Piet Keizer, who'd been Cruyff's strike partner both domestically and internationally. However, arguments between Cruyff and Keizer had led, amongst other reasons, to Cruyff transferring to Barcelona, and coach Rinus Michels decided that rather than pair-up two forwards who were hardly speaking, he would play a three-pronged attack with Rensenbrink and young Ajax striker Johny Rep aiding Cruyff, who was effectively given a free hand to weave his magic as he saw fit, anywhere across the front line. It started well enough with Rep scoring twice in the opener against Uruguay. Dissapointingly though for Rensenbrink, Keizer was brought back in for the next game against Sweden at his expense, but an ineffectual performance by the Ajax man saw Rensenbrink return to the fold in the final group game against Bulgaria in Dortmund. Rensenbrink responded with a man of the match performance as the Dutch eased through to the 2nd stage of group matches with a 4:1 victory. From that game until the final the Rensenbrink-Cruyff-Rep partnership was in full flow, with a 4:0 demolition of Argentina, followed by Rensenbrink's first tournament goal in the 2:0 win over East Germany. With no semi-finals taking place the final group game was in effect a decider as both Holland and holders Brazil went into the game with two victories each. A classy Dutch performance saw them through as winners, but at a cost - Rensenbrink substituted because of a leg injury just after Cruyff had scored the second. Rensenbrink,Cruyff and Rep had proved so effective that Michels was loathe to change it and after some intensive physio Michels decided to gamble and play Rensenbrink from the start. It didn't pay off though, a struggling Rensenbrink had to be substituted at half-time by Rene van de Kerkhof, and the Dutch attack lacked the cutting edge that had been so prominent throughout the rest of the tournament.

Back on the domestic front, Rensenbrink agreed to stay at Anderlecht, despite overtures from a number of top European clubs who had been impressed with his contribution at the World Cup. Strangely though, despite bolstering the team with the likes of Rensenbrink's international team-mate Arie Haan and talented youngsters such as Franky Vercauteren and Francois Van der Elst, Rensenbrink and Anderlecht wouldn't win another title during his remaining time there, although they would famously appear in three Cup Winners Cup finals in a row, winning two of them in 1976 and 1978, along with two European Super Cup triumphs over much-heralded Bayern Munich and Liverpool sides. Rensenbrink scored goals in all four of these finals, and had a fantastic pedigree in European competitions for Anderlecht, firing 30 goals in just 43 matches for les Mauves.
 


1978 saw Rensenbrink head to Argentina for his second World Cup tournament. The national team were now under the helm of Ernst Happel, and whilst the team had lost the services of Johann Cruyff (various suggestions as to why he wasn't going) and Jan van Hanagem the rest of the Dutch legends from the 70's were assembled for one last assault on winning a trophy. Without Cruyff, there was added pressure on Rensenbrink and Johny Rep to do the business up front, assisted this time by Rene van der Kerkhof. Rensenbrink got off to a flier at the start of the tournament, scoring a hat-trick in the opener against Iran, two of which were tucked away from the penalty spot as he'd taken over the duties from Johann Neeskens. A goal-less draw against a decent Peru team featuring the likes of Cubillas, Chumpitaz and Oblitas meant that the Dutch looked clear favourites to make the second group phase, even a narrow defeat against an under-performing Scotland team would take them through. Another Rensenbrink penalty put the Dutch one up (it was also notable for being the 1,000th goal in World Cup history), but two quick goals either side of half-time, followed by that Archie Gemmill wonder goal put the Scots in dreamland and Rensenbrink and his team-mates on the verge of an early exit. With 22 minutes left another Scottish goal would, incredibly, take them through, but Rep's phenomenal strike clawed them back and they scraped through as runners-up on goal difference. The second phase of group matches were much better, Rensenbrink scored another penalty, his 4th of the tournament, as they thrashed Austria 5:1 in Cordoba. This was followed up with a classic ding-dong encounter with old foes West Germany, Rensenbrink helped to set up Rene van der Kerkhof's fantastic late equaliser in a game that the Germans had led twice. The Dutch, Italy and West Germany all went into the last game with a chance of making the final, with only Austria out of the running. Suprisingly, the Austrians, inspired by Hans Krankl, would beat the Germans 3:2, leaving the door to the final open to the winners of Holland's match with Italy in the Estadio Monumental. Italy went ahead in the first half through an Ernie Brandts own goal, but the defender would make amends early in the 2nd half when he grabbed the equaliser before Arie Haan lashed home one of his trademark thunderbolts to book Rensenbrink and co's place in the final. So having gone into the tournament in a bit of a state - arguing over formations, money, and how many stripes they were prepared to wear on their shirts (again), the Dutch now found themselves in a 2nd consecutive final. Yet, having entertained the World again, they left with nothing. Kempes gave the Argentinians a first half lead, and they were only eight minutes away from lifting the trophy before substitute Dick Nanninga equalised. Then came the agony for Rensenbrink - played though by Ruud Krol in the dying seconds, he hit the post. And with that Holland's chance had slipped away. Another Kempes goal, followed by one from Daniel Bertoni, handed the hosts the trophy. Rensenbrink finished the tournament as the 2nd highest scorer, just behind Kempes, but if that last-minute shot had gone in then people would talk of the Dutchman in the same way that they now talk of Kempes.

Rensenbrink would play for Holland in some of the qualifiers for the 1980 European Championships, but his last appearance in that famous orange shirt would be a 2:0 defeat in Poland, midway through the qualifying campaign in 1979 as the great 70's team started to be dismantled. And having spent nearly ten years at Anderlecht, Rensenbrink finally left in 1980, joining many other big European names for a quick winding down period in the States, Portland Timbers being his destination.

He returned to Europe in 1981 though, and during his short spell at French Ligue 2 club Toulouse, he helped them gain promotion back to Ligue 1 for the first time since the club was re-formed back in 1970. It was a relatively low-key way to end a career in which he should probably have earned more caps for the national team, and also more credit, because when people talk about the great Dutch team of the 70's, Rensenbrink, along with fellow forward Johny Rep and those midfield Wim's van Hanegem and Jansen, are often overlooked because of the public's obsession with the genius of Johann Cruyff, and to a lesser extent Johann Neeskens. But the likes of Rensenbrink and Rep were fantastic players in their own right and deserve more acclaim for their roles in that great team, particularly the Cruyff-less campaign of 1978.
 
Thursday 4th Feb: Enigma_87/MJJ vs Gio & RedTiger/Marty vs Tuppet.
Friday 5th Feb: E/S/P vs harms
Saturday 6th Feb
Sunday 7th Feb
Monday 8th Feb: The Stain vs Aldo. diarm vs IT.
Tuesday 9th Feb: mazhar13 vs Physio & Balu/crappy vs Sjor/Viva.
Wednesday 10th Feb: Stobzilla vs Joga.

@Physiocrat
 
If you're going to write extensive player profiles can you please put them on here and link in the OP. It clogs it up a little otherwise.

Also does anyone know how to copy spoiler from PMs and put it into a post without having to retag it?
 
Physiocrat said:
If you're going to write extensive player profiles can you please put them on here and link in the OP. It clogs it up a little otherwise.

Also does anyone know how to copy spoiler from PMs and put it into a post without having to retag it?
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In the PM, click reply, and then copy the text from the box at the bottom. It will include all spoiler tags, media tags etc
 
Anyone else feel slightly annoyed by the 'antohan' overkill in the two match threads? He doesn't even have to post himself to overload games :lol:. People use his old posts as expert opinions and bring out all the old discussions based on what he wrote. Now I love anto and I'm truely thankful for all his insights in Southamerican football, all the great stories he shared. But ffs, he's still just a football fan. He's not an authority or whatever someone called him. I value his opinion but also take it with a pinch of salt.

Oh and I still hate the new scoring system.
 
Skizzo said:
In the PM, click reply, and then copy the text from the box at the bottom. It will include all spoiler tags, media tags etc
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Thanks for that. I am an idiot I spent ages adding the tags in retrospectively.
 
The number of voting options is becoming absurd :lol:

It was good to try but it's an eye sore and doesn't add any value.

That's not meaning to be critical by the way physiocrat.
 
Theon said:
The number of voting options is becoming absurd :lol:

It was good to try but it's an eye sore and doesn't add any value.

That's not meaning to be critical by the way physiocrat.
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Need to limit the options.

Two or more goals win Team A
One goal win Team A
One goal win Team B
Two or more goals win Team B

would be better while achieving the same thing
 
Balu said:
Now I love anto and I'm truely thankful for all his insights in Southamerican football, all the great stories he shared. But ffs, he's still just a football fan. He's not an authority or whatever someone called him. I value his opinion but also take it with a pinch of salt.
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I rate his opinion as good for all non-Uruguay/Penarol related players.
Maybe the Uruguay/Penarol players are as good as he says, but with the change in eras and all that I tend to think he tends to oversell them a bit.
 
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