Billy No Mates Draft

The quality across the board is impressive: everyone looks strong. The keys will be how players mesh together and how well managers have future-proofed their teams.
 
Surprised Bergomi didn't go before a couple of other CB's. We blocked him when we went for Matthaus, then Gentle Gentile.

Have our next pick just waiting on Red Tiger to confirm it and then you guys can race through the next round of picks.
 
Aldo said:
Why? SS and AM are two completely different roles. Maradona is an attacking midfielder, Pele is a forward, who played at his best as a support striker. Positional interference shouldn't lead to confusion between the two.
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There's a difference in emphasis between AM and SS but I disagree that they're completely different. There's a huge crossover both positionally and in terms of responsibilities - they're fundamentally similar roles, and there's not really a clear demarcation between the two. If we view it as a spectrum though I do agree that Baggio is skewed further towards the SS side.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I'm surprised you guys didn't go for at least one full back option or for Bergomi instead of Cannavaro. Bergomi can fil in RB pretty good as well.
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We would have loved Bergomi but picked Sammer in the end - it was one or the other as they played together unfortunately
 
Cutch said:
I think Bergomi was unavailable due to Sammer. Bergomi basically blocks anyone thats ever played for Inter
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ah yeah they overlap for a season. Similar to Baresi...

Theon said:
We would have loved Bergomi but picked Sammer in the end - it was one or the other as they played together unfortunately
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yeah, didn't imagine Sammer would block that many people.

Otherwise other than our team I really like Gio's and Tuppet's. But everyone looks strong really.
 
Cometh the hour, Cometh the taxman.

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@Stobzilla
 
Neymar with Roberto Carlos behind him....you boys had better have quick right backs and hard working right wingers!! ;)
 
by my calculations, Bergomi was blocked for everyone except Joga, Sjor and Physio. I almost gambled on leaving him til next round but couldn't risk it
 
1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R.Carlos 6. Neymar
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs
16. Invictus/ Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Cannavaro 6. Gento
 
Aldo said:
Trust me on this Cutch, it will fall victim to the age old argument the draft regulars absolutely love to make - too many cooks spoil the pot.
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I got ruined with that arguement in the last All-Time draft.
 
Thisistheone said:
I got ruined with that arguement in the last All-Time draft.
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I was against you, so yes, I remember. :D

You had Cruyff, Maradona and Garrincha, right? I was watching from the sidelines with anto ramming that argument home, then we won the final with Pele and Maradona in the same team. :lol:
 
Marty1968 said:
Neymar with Roberto Carlos behind him....you boys had better have quick right backs and hard working right wingers!! ;)
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I can see the match day thread already -

"Neymar literally cannot defend and Carlos is too brain dead to decide when best to bomb forward, so that means Matthaus/your other midfielder will be forced to come across and help out against my amazing winger-fullback combo. This of course means Matthaus will be stuck standing around on the left the whole time, freeing up space he was supposed to be occupying and allowing my number 10 free reign to score goals at will."
 
Not going to leave it any longer.

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Kurt Hamrin


1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala 6. Hamrin
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R.Carlos 6. Neymar
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs
16. Invictus/ Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Cannavaro 6. Gento

@Balu
 
Aldo said:
I was against you, so yes, I remember. :D

You had Cruyff, Maradona and Garrincha, right? I was watching from the sidelines with anto ramming that argument home, then we won the final with Pele and Maradona in the same team. :lol:
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Haha! Yeah you're right.

Was good fun in fairness. Anto was a bit mad but that was a great match. Lost my bottle in the end and subbed Garrincha off for Luis Enrique, then thought it was a draw only to be told I'd lost :(:wenger:
 
Thisistheone said:
Haha! Yeah you're right.

Was good fun in fairness. Anto was a bit mad but that was a great match. Lost my bottle in the end and subbed Garrincha off for Luis Enrique, then thought it was a draw only to be told I'd lost :(:wenger:
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Can you imagine it's been 3 years since that happened? :lol:

We've come a long, long way in how these drafts work.
 
Crappy seems to be away, so I go with my personal preference.

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1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor 6. Lizarazu
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala 6. Hamrin
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R.Carlos 6. Neymar
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs
16. Invictus/ Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Cannavaro 6. Gento

@The Stain
 
Gio said:
The quality across the board is impressive: everyone looks strong. The keys will be how players mesh together and how well managers have future-proofed their teams.
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Aye, its really hard to separate the teams at this point. Future proofing was a big factor for us with our initial pick but its rapidly slipping down the priority list as its likely to be an ordeal just getting out of the first round.
 
Aldo said:
Can you imagine it's been 3 years since that happened? :lol:

We've come a long, long way in how these drafts work.
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Mate, I remember playing my first draft with you in the newbie's. All-time Premier League draft :D
 
Enigma_87 said:
we blocked him with Henry, can't believe how long he lasted. Personal favorite of mine as well :drool:
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I'm really really happy that he lasted back to us after the crazy fullback rush in the last 2 rounds. One of my alltime favourite Bayern players.
 
Aldo said:
Why? SS and AM are two completely different roles. Maradona is an attacking midfielder, Pele is a forward, who played at his best as a support striker. Positional interference shouldn't lead to confusion between the two.
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Don't see that many variances between those roles. Apart from being slightly more advanced in position and higher goal scoring expectations, the players need to have similar characteristics to operate. Baggio's brilliance goal scoring ability should not take you away from his creativity, vision and passing abilities. I recall reading in a translated interview page during an earlier draft that his favored position was AM. One of the few players I think who can handle both positions comfortably. Better as SS, but definitely a good #10 too.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Don't see that many variances between those roles. Apart from being slightly more advanced in position and higher goal scoring expectations, the players need to have similar characteristics to operate. Baggio's brilliance goal scoring ability should not take you away from his creativity, vision and passing abilities. I recall reading in a translated interview page during an earlier draft that his favored position was AM. One of the few players I think who can handle both positions comfortably. Better as SS, but definitely a good #10 too.
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Really depends on the rest of the formation, a lot of formations deploy number 10s, but with different roles.
 
Aldo said:
Why? SS and AM are two completely different roles. Maradona is an attacking midfielder, Pele is a forward, who played at his best as a support striker. Positional interference shouldn't lead to confusion between the two.
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I agree with that, of course, but I still feel that Baggio suffers from a kind of typecasting in these drafts - one which is actually valid to a great extent when it comes to your average (not in terms of quality, obviously) second striker (think someone like King Kenny), but which is unfair on Baggio who had far more in his locker.

In short, he doesn't get much slack when used in more experimental roles, which is something that always irks me in these drafts, which are supposed to be "fantasy" ones, not an exercise in replicating historical set-ups.
 
Aldo said:
Trust me on this Cutch, it will fall victim to the age old argument the draft regulars absolutely love to make - too many cooks spoil the pot.
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To be fair, very few of those arguments are launched needlessly: It's usually brought up when there's a genuine lack of balance on display. It's a necessary counter balance, I reckon. It would be far too easy if people got away with simply assembling a bunch of GOAT-ish attackers with little or no plan behind it.

That said, I don't see this particular selection as a lost cause. He could play 'Dinho on the left and field a younger, United style Ronaldo on the right. The others aren't problematic: Zidane in his usual role and ditto for Batistuta. If the rest of the team is well constructed, it could be great.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
He could play 'Dinho on the left and field a younger, United style Ronaldo on the right. The others aren't problematic: Zidane in his usual role and ditto for Batistuta.
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"Miss... Chester's been looking over my shoulder again"

In all seriousness though, if the "too many cooks" argument can be rolled out for one side here, it can be rolled out for them all. I'll have a side made up of players who all have a role, and who can all contribute effectively without falling over each other in attack.
 
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1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson 6. Scholes
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor 6. Lizarazu
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala 6. Hamrin
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R.Carlos 6. Neymar
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs
16. Invictus/ Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Cannavaro 6. Gento
 
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Silvio Marzolini

1. Joga Bonito - 1. Maradona 2. Krol 3. Thuram 4. Breitner 5. Stoichkov
2. Sjor Bepo/Viva Januzaj - 1. Messi 2. Keane 3. Charlton 4. Djalma Santos 5. Schnellinger
3. harms - 1. Pelé 2. P. Falcão 3. Rummenigge 4. Ferdinand 5. Lahm
4. mazhar13 - 1. Beckenbauer 2. Nilton Santos 3. Desailly 4. Conti 5. Gullit
5. Tuppet - 1. Alfredo Di Stéfano 2. Gerd Muller 3. Passarella 4. Jairzinho 5. Boniek
6. Physiocrat - 1. Best 2. Neeskens 3. Luis Suarez Miramontes 4. Rivaldo 5. Vogts 6. Marzolini
7. The Stain - 1. Luis Ronaldo 2. Džajić 3. Kohler 4. Nedved 5. Robson 6. Scholes
8. Balu/crappy- 1. Eusébio 2. Scirea 3. Masopust 4. D. Edwards 5. Czibor 6. Lizarazu
9. Stobzilla - 1. Maldini 2. Moore 3. Carlos Alberto 4. M. Laudrup 5. Kubala 6. Hamrin
10. RedTiger/Marty1968 - 1. Puskas 2. Matthaus 3. Gentile 4. Matthews 5. R.Carlos 6. Neymar
11. diarm - 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4. Batistuta 5. Santamaria 6. Bergomi
12. Gio - 1. Zico 2. Facchetti 3. Nesta 4. Bozsik 5. Iniesta 6. Souness
13. Aldo - 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Rivelino 4. Zanetti 5. Xavi 6. Schuster
14. EAP/Pat/Skizzo - 1. Figueroa 2. Rijkaard 3. van Hanegem 4. Brehme 5. Cafu 6. Baggio
15. Enigma_87/MJJ - 1. Johan Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Figo 4. Henry 5. Amoros 6. Giggs
16. Invictus/ Theon - 1. Platini 2. Van Basten 3. Sammer 4. Redondo 5. Cannavaro 6. Gento

@Tuppet
 
diarm said:
"Miss... Chester's been looking over my shoulder again"

In all seriousness though, if the "too many cooks" argument can be rolled out for one side here, it can be rolled out for them all. I'll have a side made up of players who all have a role, and who can all contribute effectively without falling over each other in attack.
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Aye.

For me, the “too many cooks” aspect will be less important than the “balance” aspect. The problem we see from time to time is that people field players in roles they realistically won't handle very well, or not well enough: Mainly attacking midfielders tasked with borderline water carrier duties – and so forth.

An excess of attacking prowess, or creativity, or what have you – isn't a problem in itself, it only becomes a problem when you have to rely on unsuitable players for specific tasks within the set-up – or when too-similar players get in the way of the other guy's business.
 
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