Viewership has dropped every week though.
Television Better Call Saul | Includes Breaking Bad Spoilers
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Really good episode this week, probably my favourite one so far.
Same thing happened with BB if I recall.
What does that have to do with anything?
You can't complain about parts of the show because AMC will let it run anyway... ?! Also, IMDB rating obviously isn't a proper indication of how good the show is.It's still obviously good televsion. It's just not forwarding, or even presenting any plotlines that are particualrly gripping me as yet. I hope they do give it 3 seasons, but for something that's racked up almost 6 hours so far, I feel I could probably miss at least 2 of them and still be completely on track. Which is a bit worrying (albiet in a 'back of my mind' kind of way) for it's longevity.
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What does that have to do with anything?
No what I am saying is I think Vince Gilligan has paced it as a slow burner. He probably wants to really delve into Sauls/Jimmys back story. He probably has been given guarantees after making BB such a big hit. Bit obvious really but whatevs
So you can't complain that a show is too slow because it's designed to be slow?
I think it's fine. I haven't been bored. But I liked Rubicon, which was insanely slow.
Are you dense? Im saying that show might not be peoples cup of tea because its not as action packed as BB was.
Gilligan's earned a safety net, and rightly so, but so far the best episodes (the one with Tuco and today's with Mike) have worked as companion pieces to Breaking Bad. Which is great for us Breaking Bad fans (and I've enjoyed both immensely) but for a show to stand in it's own right it needs to create more of it's own things to build pathos and tension from if it's going to be worth watching for 3 seasons.
It's not a huge worry at this point tbf. Most spin offs use the clout of their parent show in early episodes and then come into their own later on. I'd just personally prefer to see some kind of seasonal arch in play by this point. There's only 4 episodes left, and if it ended now, I'd struggle to describe what the plot of this season has actually been. Other than "Jimmy edges closer to Saul" obviously, but then we know that. That's the DVD sleeve synopsis. There needs to be a driving story. A series arch and a seasonal arch. A character study and a plot. It can be as slow and underplayed as it likes, but I'm just struggling to see it yet. Whilst still enjoying it's undoubted quality.
Gilligan obviously knows this shit far better than me, so I'm sure the Vargas & Hamlin strands that have been simmering will become big obstacles in the last couple of eps. My worry is that it doesn't particularly excite me. Cos they've both been a bit meh so far. Hopefully that'll change.
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Agree with all that. I enjoy Odenkirks acting though and I am interested with how the show will progress.
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I'm just wondering why "bitching" about the show apparently means that you "don't have knowledge of AMC". Obviously it comes down to personal preference, but surely "it's a bit too slow" is a valid complaint regardless of whether it's done on purpose or not.
Odenkirk is great (and I loved Jonathan Banks getting his big actory moment today, and nailing it) but I do tend to agree with those saying he's carrying it too much. Hopefully this ep is the springboard for introducing Mike as a secondary lead.
On an incredibly minor tangent, the amount of badly wigged flashbacks they're putting Odenkirk though is starting to distract me. I remember the Grey Matter flashback in BB where they cleverely hid Cranston's face in shadow. Here they've gone balls out for the "lets put him in a loud baggy shirt and a terrible hippy wig and everyone will think he's in his 30s!" tactic. No, we won't. He just looks like a middle aged divorcee having an identity crisis who more than likely lives on a barge.
Great eppy, really enjoying the series - better than I imagined. Quality over pace, everytime
This week's was much better, not that previous have been poor. It's definitely slow but I quite like that sometimes.
I get what Mockney is saying in that it hasn't properly identified itself yet and established any archs but I'm happy to give it the benefit of the doubt for a while yet.
Massive kudos to Jonathan Banks for tonight's episode, great acting.
I get what Mockney is saying in that it hasn't properly identified itself yet and established any archs but I'm happy to give it the benefit of the doubt for a while yet.
Massive kudos to Jonathan Banks for tonight's episode, great acting.
I lost interest and don't know a single thing that happened in that episode. Very slow moving and too much mumbling. Couldn't work out what was going on.
Try turning the slow mo button off
Stop embarrassing yourself Wowi, it's obvious you don't have a clue about the internal politics of an American TV station.
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It's true
This. Absolutely loved the latest episode.
Great episode but I spent most of it wondering what I'd seen Mike's daughter-in-law in before.
Finally got it right at the end of the episode. Octavia in Rome.
Finally got it right at the end of the episode. Octavia in Rome.
Amazing ep, well worth watching a few times. Just brilliant storytelling.
Its really not that hard when you read properly. AMC were pretty much saved by Vince Gilligans Breaking Bad, it started the ball rolling for them they went from a channel which showed movies and syndicated programming to basically a HBO lite. After BB started being a smash they continued with Walking Dead etc. So when Breaking Bad ended they had already greenlit BCS with Gilligan basically giving him free reign with the show. So what you have is Gilligan, with a huge success on his back, indulging in a slow burning show with heavy character development that will probably run for at least 3 or 4 seasons. It may not be everyones cup of tea but thats how it is. Simples
Yep it was the best one so far.
Loved that episode. This is my favourite thing on TV by far. I agree that it needs to find it's narratie arc soon, as the excitement of having all these great characters back on screen will only carry it so far.
Not sure if spoilers are needed but...
Not sure if spoilers are needed but...
The way Mike hid the gun and dealt with the cops was brilliant, and very Waltesque.
Loving the episode. Story-telling and camera work is very similar to BB. Show needs more than 1 strong character. BB had many interesting characters with background and history. In here, characters keep drifitng in and out, except Saul. Early days and hope it changes soon. It is inevitable I agree, but comparing it to BB might just turn out to be it's downfall.
You're still not answering my actual question, but I guess you never will.
I thought it was the best episode of the series. Whilst it is slow I agree when others say it can get away with it as most people watching it will be Breaking Bad fans and therefore will have more patience with it. It hinted at a few things with Breaking Bad as well...Mike's relationship with Jesse makes more sense I think now, he probably saw something like his kid in him with him being stuck in something he doesn't want to be involved in.
I think the show will progress quicker in time, there isn't much of a plot at the moment really and obviously they will have to set one up soon, there's a lot of possiblities that are being hinted at though throughout the show.
I think the show will progress quicker in time, there isn't much of a plot at the moment really and obviously they will have to set one up soon, there's a lot of possiblities that are being hinted at though throughout the show.
I do like it, because it's well shot and well acted, so it is therefore enjoyable to watch. But it's far from gripping TV so far, not like Breaking Bad always was. I never found myself turning away from the TV during BB to look at my phone or whatever, but I've done it a few times during this. I hope it picks up, we're six episodes into a ten episode season and I still don't really see an overall arc or purpose, they really need to up the game in the last few episodes if they want people to continue past this season.
Then again, Gilligan was the master of finales with Breaking Bad (apart from Season two, feck you Season two), so I'm not too concerned.
Then again, Gilligan was the master of finales with Breaking Bad (apart from Season two, feck you Season two), so I'm not too concerned.
Haven't watched the last episode (will do it tonight if I have time) but I think that since episode 2, the quality of the show has dramatically decreased. It is still decent, but I am not waiting for it each week and only after I saw this thread (on bold) I realized that the new episode has been released (2 days ago).
The plane crash? That was definitely a let down after all the flash forwards making it seem something majorly dramatic was coming.
Yeah, it was rubbish. Probably the weakest plot/twist of the entire show.
Then put down the bong and pay attention.
Played the mental lady in Walking Dead too.
Thought it was a great episode. I wasn't too bothered about less Saul this week, I know he's the lead but sometimes the show needs an alternate change of focus on it's characters. The interrogation scene was the perfect segment for him alongside Mike, very reminiscent of Walt's first encounters of Saul when they first introduced together in BB. That episode alone could have easily slotted into a BB season.
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Whats it like being you?
Then put down the bong and pay attention.
Played the mental lady in Walking Dead too.
Yeah thats her..Irish actress
It's pretty good. How about you?
Look, I understand your argument - and there's no doubt that this show will get time because of BB. That point has been brought up several times in this thread. But it has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote, and that's why I'm wondering why you bring it up. By your logic, I can't criticise shows like NCIS, CSI or whatever for being shit and generic, because they're designed to be shit and generic.
Most recent episode was the best so far, but I am a massive Mike fan. I'd agree with people who say that there's no obvious story-arc atm in the series, but I've enjoyed it so far so I wouldn't worry too much.
Thank you. Been driving me crazy that.
Easily the best episode yet, although I'm not sure that is the best advert for the show considering the main character only appeared for a couple of minutes.
Great episode. Mike is awesome.