The fee is not 'allegedly'. It's fact.
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He's scored 77 goals in 147 appearances for his club. It's not as if he has no track record prior to Euro 2008.
But it won't be paid up front, that's for sure.
Of course Levy and co will be very careful to massage the facts to make it seem as though Tottenham Hotspur PLC. got the best deal possible. Something I'm sure Gill was willing to let them do, in order to secure the best deal possible for United.
At the end of the day, this summer has only confirmed what we all know already. Levy's main priority is increasing the value of the stock he holds in your club, with a view to making shit-loads of cash when he sells up. And he's willing to risk ongoing success on the pitch to do so. Which would piss me off, if I was a Spurs fan.
You're probably completely oblivious to this, mind you, what with your famous blinkers view-point about all things Spurs.
Sergei Rebrov scored a similarly impressive 93 goals in 189 appearances for his club prior to moving to Spurs - just shows that statistics such as those you quoted have little or no bearing on whether a player can cut it in the PL.
I've just been looking at some of the reactions on gory-gory and apart from the predictable 'feck him the judas cnut' genre, there's a jolly chap called 'polski sklep' who says;
'He is one of the most unique talents I have ever witnessed in a Spurs shirt and is finally at a club that can win the trophies he deserves.'
And;
'He will go on to be one of their greats.
During his 3 years, we have failed to make significant progress. He had every right to seek pastures new.
He is the only player to see the club for what it was - never likely to progress to their level.'
Bless!
'He is one of the most unique talents I have ever witnessed in a Spurs shirt and is finally at a club that can win the trophies he deserves.'
And;
'He will go on to be one of their greats.
During his 3 years, we have failed to make significant progress. He had every right to seek pastures new.
He is the only player to see the club for what it was - never likely to progress to their level.'
Bless!
In the Russian League. Maybe he will do well, I just think that if Pogrebnyak wasn't injured for Russia at the Euro's you wouldn't have even considered Pavlyuchenko, never mind spent £14m on him.
I've been saying this all summer, if people want to go and get a decent striker from Russia they are looking at the wrong guy.
Pavlyuchenko was industrious, and had a certain battling nature to him. But he missed far more than he scored and seemed fortunate to get his 3 goals. He may surprise me but he certainly isn't a replacement for a talent like Berbatov.
Sounds just like Dirk Kuyt!!!!!!!!!
A player we will get back, and will most likely be worth a lot more than the £7m you mentioned, with your help of course
Yes he didn't want to sign for a mediocre midtable club, been there and done that one.
Hehe "attracted" Carrick from a relegated West Ham, and with that competition? Berbatov you wouldn't have got either if United had been a bit faster off the mark in registering their interest. Get a grip on reality. Would they attract, Terry, Rio, Torres, Tevez, etc? In fact ANY to player playing regulary for a top 4 team in England? No hope in hell. In addition the players you listed then left the club, to quote "further their careers". How long before Modric, Bently etc do the same? 18 months, 2 years, what do you think?
Well I will leave that to stupid people then... however I NEVER dismissed him, I clearly pointed out that he is unproven and may need time to settle into the Premier league, and with the coments from the player himself stating that he was unsure of a move abroad with a young family, I am right to reserve judgement on him.
Yes I have. I am a Manchester United fan.
Ronaldo is no longer united's best looking
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Well, our midfield competed well away against Chelsea in the last match. Not that it dominated the match, but it certainly prevented such midfield 'heavyweights' as Essien, Lampard and Deco from dominating the match.
It will take a while for the midfield to gel, but I expect it to get generally better and better as the season progresses - we shall see.
He's effectively a replacement because he barely played last season due to the success of the keane/berbs partnership. He was also bought with one eye looking ahead to Berbs departure.
He was backed. But that doesn't mean it's always worth paying over the odds and you have to be prepared to walk away from some deals. I won't be suprised if Arshavin arrives this January for a lot less money than originally demanded.
No one can argue that Spurs haven't been willing to spend money since Ramos arrived. We spent nearly 16m combined on Hutton and Woodgate even before this summer's window opened.
They also lost Corluka to Spurs. And as with Pavyluchenko it remains to be seen how well Jo and Robinho will do in the Prem. Those expecting City to be challenging for top 4 are likely to be wide of the mark in my view.
Absolutely spot on there man. The runour was that Levy is in charge of gettin Spurs into the Champions League & then its sell up & get the feck outta dodge time!
Mark Hughes said yesterday that he'd known of the incoming Arab investment for 'weeks'. I doubt City 'lost' Corluka - Hughes surely could have kept him if he'd wanted to.
Look at what Hughes achieved at Blackburn - a smaller club than City. The owners of his new club say their pockets are deeper than those of Abramovich. I'm certain that they'll be above Spurs at the end of the season, and I think Hughes will be a massive factor in that.
WE have signed berbatov!!!
i went out last night to pass the time, then 12 o'clock struck and i checked news now and nothing, 20 minutes later we signed him, so i puffed on sum bob marleys and played pro evo with berbatov in the united team (i edited him a little too).
looks like this place exploded, and rightly so... its berbatime
i went out last night to pass the time, then 12 o'clock struck and i checked news now and nothing, 20 minutes later we signed him, so i puffed on sum bob marleys and played pro evo with berbatov in the united team (i edited him a little too).
looks like this place exploded, and rightly so... its berbatime
We will all remember where we were when it happened...
Shame the stories will all read, 'In bed, asleep...' or 'At my computer...'
Never-the-less, it happened.
Strangest thing that happened to me is, someone hacked my computer and installed dark cherrywood panelling on my desktop monitor. Bastard
Happened just as the announcement of the sale came through, at midnight GMT.
Shame the stories will all read, 'In bed, asleep...' or 'At my computer...'
Never-the-less, it happened.
Strangest thing that happened to me is, someone hacked my computer and installed dark cherrywood panelling on my desktop monitor. Bastard
Happened just as the announcement of the sale came through, at midnight GMT.
Right Glaston, I want a straight honest answer here, where do you think Spurs will finish this season?
I'm sure it won't also, but that's not surprising - very few deals are all paid up front in one go.
There is only one fact - 30.25m plus a season loan of Campbell - so nothing much to massage and nothing that needs massaging. It's a very good price for Berbatov from Spurs point of view and there's no getting away from that.
You don't regard that deal as the best possible? Then how much were you expecting Levy to get and how could he have gotten more? It's more than almost all most CAFtards were predicting (a hell of lot more in many cases) and more than even I predicted.
It's funny. Prior to this summer there have been loads of posts on here talking about how much Spurs have spent on players and wondering where all the money comes from.
But now, given a single window in which Spurs take in more money than they spend, the argument swings round to the opposite and suddenly Levy becomes a tight-wad who is only interested in lining shareholder's pockets. Go figure.
he's ours
viva berbatov
viva berbatov
signed on deadline day
made us all turn gay
viva berbatov
It's an excellent deal. Obviously bumped up by the completely left-field contribution from Abu Dhabi and a certain fat Spanish waiter with more money than sense. I'm not denying that.
The "massaging" bit probably involves Spurs declaring the maximum possible fee they will earn (based on appearances, trophies United win etc.) without providing any kind of break-down. Fair play though, I would do the same if I stood to increase the value of my business shares as a result. Especially if I was looking to sell up in the near future.
He's not a tight-wad. He's a business-man, looking to make as much money as possible out of your club. A bit like all owners, to be honest. It's just a pity, from your perspective, that his main ambition seems to be speculating on young players, then selling for a profit, without really caring all that much about success on the pitch (other than a vague ambition to keep Spurs in or around that mythical fourth spot)
At the end of the day, Spurs are very clearly short of a top-class striker, a DM and (arguably) another centre-half. Which means there;s not a hope in hell of you nicking fourth.
If Levy had been a bit less stubborn about Berbatov and freed up some decent cash for Ramos to sign the likes of Veloso, Kanoute, Arshavin or Milito, you would be very well set for the season ahead. As it is, it's gonna be the same old same old for Spurs. And you know it.
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i loved seeing him at old trafford, he is made for it, i cant wait for the liverpool game
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i loved seeing him at old trafford, he is made for it, i cant wait for the liverpool game
I'm sure there are endless excuses you can invent to bolster your flimsy claim that Spurs don't attract excellent players.
And I guess that Modric, Woodgate, Hutton, Gomes, Bentley etc are all mediocre in your blinkered and biased eyes.
I might as well ask how long before Ronaldo leaves? Next summer wouldn't be a bad guess. What do you think?
You said that Spurs had sold their "only two good forwards". Which clearly implies that Bent and Pavyluchenko are not good.
didn't spurs trigger the minimum fee clause?
Top 6.
Aw come on, that's not a straight answer. 5th or 6th? Which one?
I could have seen you finishing 5th if you had a defensive midfielder, or if your midfield started to gel quicker than it has, but I can't see you finishing 5th now.
I wouldn't jump the gun that quickly, obviously 30.75m for Berbatov is a lot of money but from what i have been hearing a lot of that is add-ons, 10m to be more specific. The 20.5 million that had previously be bidded and rejected is a outright payment with the additional amount to be paid depending on Berbatov's and Uniteds success.
About Campbell, many are seem to be happy him going on loan to you lot but i am not too sure, i guess i am a little skeptic seeing what happened to Rossi when he went to Newcastle, I would much rather see him go to a smaller club where he is guaranteed games.
Spurs may only have 2 other out and out strikers but that still didn't stop Bent from being confined to the bench for most of last season and that was even after Defoe left.
Of course if i am wrong and Campbell flourishes it will be united who is ultimately the winner and will get a proven PL player back worth double or even triple of that 7 million bid we received for him, maybe it will be a bid from you lot!
I reckon Villa are favourites to finish 5th and 6th will be a fight between Spurs City and possibly Everton... Should be a good season!!!
I just don't understand what the fuss is about. Looking at those photos, Berbatov looks just like Gary Neville with a bigger face and different hair.
Levy is wealthy enough already - I doubt that making even more money is his main motive. It's absurd to deny his ambitions for the club on the pitch: the money he has made available in the last 3 years (since Jol was appointed) shows this beyond disputing.
We don't yet know how Pavlyuchenko will perform and we already know that Bent is a proven quality striker at Prem level. If we mainly play this season with a lone striker up front - and I think we will - then it remains to be seen whether we will be 'clearly short' in the top-class striking department. It's possible that you may be right, but equally possible that you may not be.
And let's not forget that Dos Santos can play as 2nd striker, and Campbell may do well given the chance.
As for DM, Corluka can play there as well as providing additional CB cover. Even aside from Corluka, I'd be quite happy to see Huddlestone and Jenas sitting behind a more advanced midfield 3: you may not rate them, but I do.
No chance of 4th? Who knows - we shall see.
Shortage of cash has never been the issue this summer. I doubt Veloso would have signed in any case. Arshavin was simply over-priced: not that we couldn't have paid the asking price but rather that the club clearly didn't think it worth paying so much - and as I've said earlier I won't be surprised to see him arrive this January for a much lower price once Zenit have come to their senses.
Kanoute? Milito? What makes you think that either of these would be better than Pavyluchenko?
This is spot on. Pavlyuchenko wouldn't have started for Russia at the Euros for a start.
If you wish to have such a precise prediction then I'll go for 6th, because it may well take so many new players a while to gel and in some cases adapt to the Prem.
Corluka has played in the DM position many times.
Where do you predict MUFC will finish? My guess is 3rd behind Chelsea and Liverpool, because:
* Chelsea look strong this season
* Whilst Berbatov is clearly a great new asset, I have a feeling that Ronaldo won't perform to anything like same levels as last season (his mind elsewhere perhaps?)
* Your several ageing players become more and more of an issue and I'm not convinced that the newer replacements will make the step up as much as needed.
Cannot wait to see him play =D
Me neither!!
That's a classic!
Seems to me that you have a very poor understanding of why wealthy men are wealthy in the first place. They can never have enough money. Especially someone who is a relatively small fish, like Levy.
At the end of the day, though, none of us can be 100% certain about what motivates him. But all the evidence points towards a man who is determined to make as much money as possible out of your football club.
I don't expect you to agree with this, of course.
Have we signed him yet?
Ronaldo is beyond what people consider 'a profesional'...
All this 'mind elsewhere' is complete idiocy. For anyone that has seen Ronaldo play or read quotes from the boy, they'd know... Ronaldo LLLLLLLOVES to score goals and win. Last season, he proved it in spades.
Seriously, if the world cup incident between Ronaldo and Rooney didn't discourage Ronaldo... nothing will.
He will play, he will score (and assist) and he WILL win.
Spastic.
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