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At last. But why the hell did we not pay the £28 million in the first place?
SSN are still showing headlines like 'United face points deduction and transfer ban after Berbatov hijack'. Even if this is untrue the whole episode has not done our reputation any good at all. Just look at all the papers and the live discussion pages - we are hated the length and breadth of the land.
SSN are still showing headlines like 'United face points deduction and transfer ban after Berbatov hijack'. Even if this is untrue the whole episode has not done our reputation any good at all. Just look at all the papers and the live discussion pages - we are hated the length and breadth of the land.
"What time is it boss?"
SAF:"Berba time"
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In fact both aspects of the football business - the financial side and the team performance side - are important and are linked together. To say that the financial side "isn't important" is short-sighted nonsense.
MUFC have a huge debt that is likely to get even bigger now. You can continue living with it in the short-term, but in the medium to longer term those chickens will come home to roost, and when they do it will impact on your team/squad.
You also seem to assume that MUFC are now going to sweep all before them on the pitch. That remains to be seen.
More than 30.75m and a 20m profit? I doubt that very much. Take a look at back at some of the much lower figures being bandied about in this and other Berb threads on this forum.
Spurs have signed players who have improved our squad overall compared to last season. Whether any will develop in becoming 'world class' remains to be seen: Berbatov wasn't considered to be world class when we signed him.
As for 'decent forwards', in a 4-2-3-1 system we need less of them and we have at least two: Bent and Pavyluchenko.
As have Spurs by signing Modric, Bentley, Gomes etc.
I've no idea what you mean by a 'lighter squad', although it's true that some players may take a while to bed down.
Thanks for the 30.75m.A great bit of business indeed. Thanks for all the help.
I'm happy, glad that you are too.
Extremely doubtful IMO.
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Thanks for the 30.75m.
I'm happy, glad that you are too.
Don't be too happy.
Spurs are a PLC which means that the shareholders will get the lion's share of that.
Liverpool sign Torres
United sign Tevez
Liverpool sign Keane
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In fact both aspects of the football business - the financial side and the team performance side - are important and are linked together. To say that the financial side "isn't important" is short-sighted nonsense.
MUFC have a huge debt that is likely to get even bigger now. You can continue living with it in the short-term, but in the medium to longer term those chickens will come home to roost, and when they do it will impact on your team/squad.
You also seem to assume that MUFC are now going to sweep all before them on the pitch. That remains to be seen.
More than 30.75m and a 20m profit? I doubt that very much. Take a look at back at some of the much lower figures being bandied about in this and other Berb threads on this forum.
Spurs have signed players who have improved our squad overall compared to last season. Whether any will develop in becoming 'world class' remains to be seen: Berbatov wasn't considered to be world class when we signed him.
As for 'decent forwards', in a 4-2-3-1 system we need less of them and we have at least two: Bent and Pavyluchenko.
As have Spurs by signing Modric, Bentley, Gomes etc.
I've no idea what you mean by a 'lighter squad', although it's true that some players may take a while to bed down.
Thanks for the 30.75m.
I'm happy, glad that you are too.
You do not understand some things about the debt. City were in debt as well and not as attractive as United yet Arabs bought them. The same will happen to United if and when Glazers decide to sell, but you prefer to live in your convenient world where United may somehow disappear making way for Spurs to finish in top 10.
I disagree - I think he was just off a lot of people's radar whilst playing in the Bundesliga. I live and work in Germany and he was always recognised here as a massive talent - a lot of people always wondered why he didn't move on from Leverkusen earlier.
Berbatov was simply already world class when he arrived at Spurs - you can see that from his performances over the course of his first season - so to hold him up as an example of Spurs ability to improve players, implying you can do the same with the latest signings, is a weak point. Spurs had nothing to do with Berbatov becoming a world class player.
I've no idea what you mean by a 'lighter squad', although it's true that some players may take a while to bed down.
Thanks for the 30.75m.
I'm happy, glad that you are too.
I wouldn't be happy right now if I was a Spurs supporter, and I'm frankly amazed that you've "no idea" about the point on Spurs having a lighter squad. Your midfield is simply too lightweight to make any impact on the top 4 of this division. I find Tottenham's acquisitions this summer bizarre in that they have bought too many lightweight midfielders when they needed desperately to properly replace Carrick (and accept that in Zokora, Jenas and Huddlestone they have no adequate replacement) and that they've lost arguably the best attacking partnership in the PL, Keane and Berbatov, and replaced them only with Pavlyuchenko - unproven in this division, and again, lightweight - and Fraizer Campbell on a season's loan.
I'd not be happy if I was a Spurs supporter - Spurs look further away than ever from the top 4 and City have overtaken them almost overnight.
I'm not suggesting that MUFC will disappear. I'm merely saying that the financial side of things is important and linked to the team-quality/performance side of things.
If you imagine that some super-wealthy people are going to just walk in and wipe away all your debt, then I'd call that a pipe-dream. Apart from anything else, the vast scale of your debt bears no comparison at all with that of Man. City's.
Was it Fergie who picked Dimi up at the airport? Any truth in that? And did we have permission from Spurs to talk to him?
so is there a press conference happening? Is he being presented at all?
Im so happy- Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo and Berbatov are going to destroy everyone
Thanks for the 30.75m.
Are you aware of the fact, that you won't be actually getting instantly 30.75m ?
We probably have to win 4 major trophies to pay off the whole sum. And in that case nobody would really care.
I am usually against violence but I wouldnt mind seeing them mashing up the scousers
Yes both are important, but money in the bank and no players on the pitch is not the way to run the business. It's better to spend the money to help bring continued success on the pitch (or the chance of it) this leads to better financial possibilities, like sponsonships etc. We have also bought just one player, Berbatov, and sold several fringe players, and high earners like Silvestre and Saha. We haven't exactly gone wild in the market.
Many people seem to lose sight of the fact that this huge debt is not created by the clubs 'wild spending', it's ONLY there because we were bought out by fat Yanks using our own money. This situation would change overnight if we changed hands to new owners. We have generally been fairly responsible when is come to transfers over the years and I don't see that changing, thus the haggling over Berbatov and getting him signed for less than Spurs wanted, like Spurs we were a PLC for many years.
I NEVER assume that, I've been following United too long to assume things like that. However with Berbatov it's more likely we'll do well with him, than it is without him, obviously.
Figures on a 'forum'? hehe, this is the LAST place I'd be looking to value a player. I look at the official offer accepted by Spurs £35M and I look at what they received £30.75M and I see Spurs are down £4.25M on what they could have earned elsewhere, this is not good business for a PLC run club. They are only interested in bottom line figures. Besides it's not as if Spurs are going to use the £30M and sign some world class forward like Eto'o or Villa with the cash, they can't seem to attract this calibre of player as has been proven during the summer in their desperate attempts. World class players help make world class teams.
He was highly enough thought of for us to be interested, so he was there or there abouts. Same as Torres wasn't considered it either, but again had the potential...
Decent forwards help you finish midtable... worldclass ones help you to the top 4... Droghba, Torres, Van Persie, Berbatov. They all play for the big 4. I am assuming by Spurs transfer activity and the selling of their only two good forwards that they are not interests in breaking into the top 4.[/QUOTE]
Let me help you with that then, and explain:
You sold more players than you bought. Thus you are less players now, including a couple ulikely to see much action for you this year and a loan signing that you won't have next year.
Thanks
Berbatov Home Debut will be in the champions leage, i wonder if he can recreated the debut rooney had against fenerbahce.
Its more than I would have felt comfortable paying and I feel like Spurs got the better of us in this deal. We paid £0.75m more than they were allegedly asking for weeks ago. Plus all this business about them having to drop their allegations of tapping up, after the furore about us seeing him illegally yesterday, makes us look pretty bad I think, though that doesnt really matter. Plus they got a player on loan that we were offered £7m for, so as well as all that money they got a decent replacement, albeit a temporary one, into the deal.
But just because they won it doesnt mean we lost. We got a fantastic player which stands us in very good stead for the future. It was expensive but evidently we could afford it. And SAF does look like the master - maybe questionable ethically in the way he went about it, but effective in the way he appeared to go after one man and one man alone, and he made sure he got his man. Plus there is the perception, no matter what the truth of it really is, that we got one over on City who tried to gazzump us. While Chelsea did, in fact, get gazzumped.
I have to admit it feels good to have him in place.
But just because they won it doesnt mean we lost. We got a fantastic player which stands us in very good stead for the future. It was expensive but evidently we could afford it. And SAF does look like the master - maybe questionable ethically in the way he went about it, but effective in the way he appeared to go after one man and one man alone, and he made sure he got his man. Plus there is the perception, no matter what the truth of it really is, that we got one over on City who tried to gazzump us. While Chelsea did, in fact, get gazzumped.
I have to admit it feels good to have him in place.
If he was already seen as 'world class', then how strange that Spurs got him for just 10.9m.
You talk about his performance in his first Prem season, but that's with the benefit of hindsight.
I'm not saying that Spurs made him into a world class player, though clearly he has developed further in the last two years, but I am saying that Spurs have a good track record for the early signing of players who later either develop into becoming excellent or become much more widely recognised as being excellent. There's no good reason to suppose that the same won't happen with Modric, Bale, Dos Santos and several others.
Lightweight in what sense? A 5-man midfield of Huddlestone, Jenas, Bentley, Modric and Dos Santos possesses plenty of quality and potential in my book.
We have lost the best attacking partnership in the Prem, but in exchange for 51m and a squad that is overall stronger and better balanced in my view.
Pavyluchenko is unproven in the Prem, but so is any player coming into the Prem from a foreign league, so what's new? He may turn out to be excellent for all you know and you certainly have no grounds for calling him 'lightweight'.
And he and Campbell are not our only replacements. We also have Bent, who barely featured last season for understandable reasons, but who now comes into his own and who is proven in the Prem.
We shall see what happens this season. Your over-egging of City is wildly premature.
Reckon he did an interview with mutv which would probably be showed 6:30ish. Press conference no idea
it's overrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!
im sure we would be livid if we lost a player of berbatov's quality..
why cant the pool game be this weekend
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=6617364
Berba relishing challenges ahead
Dimitar Berbatov is looking forward to beginning his new life at Old Trafford after completing a deadline day switch from Tottenham.
After months of speculation linking the 27-year-old striker with a move to United, the Bulgarian penned a four-year deal with the Reds late on Monday night.
Berbatov is relishing the challenges that lie ahead and is confident he can handle the pressures that come with playing for the Reds.
"I've handled expectation and pressure throughout my life - I'm not scared of that. That's why I'm here," he told MUTV in an exclusive interview.
"The most important thing is to enjoy myself, help the team win more trophies and to thank the fans. If I do that and show what I can do like I did at Tottenham, I don't think they'll be any problems.
"I hope my peak years are still to come," he added. "I'm 27 years old and now is my time.
"This is perhaps the last club in my career and the biggest club in the world. I feel I can develop in the way I want here and the way I've always wanted. That's the most important thing."
Watch the full interview with Berbatov on MUTV at 18:30 BST on Tuesday
The Tov speaks !
Berba relishing challenges ahead
Dimitar Berbatov is looking forward to beginning his new life at Old Trafford after completing a deadline day switch from Tottenham.
After months of speculation linking the 27-year-old striker with a move to United, the Bulgarian penned a four-year deal with the Reds late on Monday night.
Berbatov is relishing the challenges that lie ahead and is confident he can handle the pressures that come with playing for the Reds.
"I've handled expectation and pressure throughout my life - I'm not scared of that. That's why I'm here," he told MUTV in an exclusive interview.
"The most important thing is to enjoy myself, help the team win more trophies and to thank the fans. If I do that and show what I can do like I did at Tottenham, I don't think they'll be any problems.
"I hope my peak years are still to come," he added. "I'm 27 years old and now is my time.
"This is perhaps the last club in my career and the biggest club in the world. I feel I can develop in the way I want here and the way I've always wanted. That's the most important thing."
Watch the full interview with Berbatov on MUTV at 18:30 BST on Tuesday
The Tov speaks !
Spurs have not improved this transfer window imo. Should have should Berba earlier and brought in more players.
Pavlychencko looks like a flop about to happen to me. Bent will improve with a run in the team though.
Pavlychencko looks like a flop about to happen to me. Bent will improve with a run in the team though.
Can someone post the interview of Berbatov which is to be broadcast on MUTV at 18:30 BST, Tuesday evening? Thank you.
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=6617364
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=6617364
As you said, allegedly, just like the fee, really. I doubt it's 30.75m straight cash.
So, who's getting a Berbatov shirt then?
It's not about debt, it's about potential. And brand-awareness. Sporting brands don't get any bigger than Man Utd (a fact many of us, as fans, are not entirely happy about, so it's not mindless bragging when I point that out - on the contrary in fact). The fact that global high-rollers of the stripe of Abro', Taksim, the Yank Punch & Judy show at Anfield, and now the Eastlands oil-mullah what-shall-we-get-next-as-our-latest-toy crew buy into lesser brands, with a far greater way to travel to get to where we are already, and thus with inferior potential is, to me, an indication that if our present owners let it be known that they were in the market for a sale there would be a long and unruly procession of bidders forming a disorderly queue along Sir Matt Busby Way.
Not a scenario many of us would relish I might add. One of the first trends, in terms of business, which English football embarked upon was the steady stream of clubs who were floated on the stock exchange from around twenty years ago as they became Public Companies. Post-Thatcherism, and with the de-regulation of business in many quarters - a trend largely emanating from this country during the 1980's - the latest development in mega-business is towards that of global, and crucially privately owned concerns, which are free to pursue markets and methods unfettered by the often inhibiting legal dictates of shareholder-accountability. It seems to me that only since around Abro at Chelsea has this latest business phenomenon turned its attention to football.
Part global business concern, part personal fiefdom - or 'toy' if, like me, you're a little cynical - these oligarchical high-rollers seek new, lucrative and exciting vehicles into which they can invest their cash and amuse themselves.
Inheriting debt of the magnitude to be encountered within the hallowed confines of Old Trafford will scarcely register with the calibre of potential buyer of whom I speak.
It won't wash you trying to pretend that 30.75m - plus a loan player that you could have sold for 7m - is a bad deal for Spurs for a player who will soon be 28 years old.
Any higher money on offer from Man. City is irrelevant, because Berbs wouldn't have signed for them in any case.
We attracted Carrick and Berbatov, just as we've attracted Modric, Bentley and others this summer. And Arshavin was very keen to come, but his club wanted more than we valued him at. Your theory about Spurs not being able to attract excellent players is clearly nonsense.
It's not all about forwards you know. We've improved our midfield and back 5.
Besides, even if don't regard Bent as 'good foward', I do. And who is to say that Pavyluchenko won't be good: dismissing him before he's even kicked a ball in the Prem is stupid.
So we are 'lightweight' because we've sold more players than we've bought? Give me strength.
Ever heard of quality vs quantity?
You conveniently overlooked the part where I said I live in Germany. I saw plenty of Berbatov in the Bundesliga and knew exactly how good he was when he left.
I mentioned his first PL season as it quite clearly proves that he arrived as a finished article ready to perform at the level Spurs fans have grown accustomed to. I don't find it particularly strange that he cost Spurs 10.9 million - Leverkusen would have been happy with that as they were in financial difficulty at the time. Add to that the fact that he was a Bulgarian coming from the Bundesliga and I think you'll find the fee makes perfect sense. Had he been a Brazilian coming from La Liga he would have cost Spurs rather more.
His fee is inflated now as he has 2 extremely successful seasons in the PL on his CV.
If you think that that midfield is capable of making a serious, telling impact on the PL then good luck to you. It clearly lacks a Roy Keane-type ball winner/tackler. I've seen Spurs play once this season and it was so obvious it was painful to watch. I still think it's a somewhat flimsy, inexperienced midfield that will struggle to dominate matches in the PL - especially against the top four.
How is Bent a replacement when they bought him one year before selling Keane and Berbatov?
I rate Bent, but he reminds me of Andy Cole in that he is a confidence striker - you will need quality back-up as he is prone to long spells out of form. I'm not convinced that you can rely on Pavlyuchenko to get you enough goals either in that respect, or to make up for the loss of Keane and Berbatov.
If Spurs are now so well off following the sales of Keane and Berbatov, why was Ramos not backed in his desire to get Arshavin? Why leave the sale of Berbatov so late - it maximised the income generated but led to you starting the season with a strike force which pales terribly in comparison with what you had last year.
I certainly don't think I over-egged City. I actually rate their squad, their manager, and their signings this summer. Hughes is excellent, and Jo, Wright-Phillips and Robinho are some nice signings to say the least.
Not so much a flop, but nowhere near as good as people expect. When Ramos was talking about him he talked about how well Pavlyuchenko played in the Euro's, and it's normally a bad idea to buy a player almost wholly on the back of a good tournament.
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