PL proven because he's had one good season?
Benzema or Kane? Genuine question.
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And the latter is already a superstar.
How do all these people know Benzema doesn't want to play for us?
Not sure why you're laughing I thought it was common knowledge that he rejected us in 2009, and dismissed any links to us ever since.
I honestly think he'd be very underwhelmed about joining us.
I love the "genuine question" bit in the title.
Kane
We're in a kind of place that Bayern were when LvG went there. I doubt any of our players would have been too thrilled to join them at that time. Same applies to any players at the top three clubs at the moment being linked with us.
Not in the Prem he isn't. It's a lot easier to score goals in the French and Spanish leagues .... especially when you play for top sides in those leagues.
The Real Madrid side is not exactly geared towards him scoring the goals, that will be Ronaldo. But I agree with your sentiment in general, if a United youth product had a season like Kane just had, no way I would have swapped him for any player not called Ronaldo or Messi.
Kane obviously.
He rejected us 6 years ago did he? Source?
And he's dismissed links to us? Any solid sources? Ive missed them.
How you 'honestly think' holds no significance to how Benzema thinks in my opinion.
Also, if he's told he isn't first choice at Real and we're interested, there's a few hundred grand that would interest him. Just speculating though.
latter years of career jesus, makes me feel like an old man being 28
jesus, makes me feel like an old man being 28Benzema. We'd get 3 or 4 good years out of him, which is more than we would get out of Kane.
Then they say English players arent overrated..
I'm not going to hunt around for sources for you, it was widely reported at the time, just google it.
You're though if Madrid tell him he won't play much then he might want to go, and we could win the transfers by lack of genuine competition for him, and DDG of course. He'll just have to put up and shut up if that happens a bit like ADM had to do.
Why is being english an advantage? We have enough english talent
Benzema has 20+ goals in the last 7 out of 8 seasons. It's no contest. I like Kane, but Benzema is a world class #9. Kane isn't. He might be at some point, but if both are available, it seems daft to take a risk by seeing if a young English player can reach their potential when you could bring in proven world class quality who is arguably the best in the world at the job he does.
Buy Benzema and see if James Wilson can reach his potential.
Buy Benzema and see if James Wilson can reach his potential.
There were a lot of links but nothing solid, especially not that he 'rejected' us per se.
Maybe it's just me, but choosing someone over someone else isn't always as deep as a rejection. But I can see why that plays on people's minds. But come on, it was 6 years ago.
No brainer. Benzema is a brilliant footballer.
Benzema easily.
He's 18 months younger than RVP was when we signed him, and we only got 1 good season out of RVP.
Benzema is better, but unattainable.
Kane is attainable.
Kane is attainable.
Benzema obviously but i wouldn't mind Kane either.
I think its easier to score in England than in Spain however its harder to defend in England. Was reading a Fabregas interview and he was basically saying that its easier to find space in the Premier League due to the faster pace of the game.
We won't get either one.
Kane would bag for us.
Kane.
I've never really understood this one season wonder bit about Kane. I'm happy to be proved wrong but can anyone tell me another striker at PL level who's bagged 30 in what is effectively his debut season and then flopped in his second season to become a nobody ?
Kane is the real deal, anybody should be able to see that. He scores left foot, right foot, head,works his nuts off and is technically a good footballer too. He probably won't get 30 next season but he'll bag 20 odd for a team short of real top class.
We paid about £10m for Smalling on the back of a few games for Fulham and that was because his potential and talent was obvious. It's equally obvious, if not more so, with Kane - in my opinion.
Kane is the real deal, anybody should be able to see that. He scores left foot, right foot, head,works his nuts off and is technically a good footballer too. He probably won't get 30 next season but he'll bag 20 odd for a team short of real top class.
We paid about £10m for Smalling on the back of a few games for Fulham and that was because his potential and talent was obvious. It's equally obvious, if not more so, with Kane - in my opinion.
Benzene now, Kane a couple of years later.
Can't think of any. Biggest fall from 'hero to zero' within a short time i seen in the league was probably Torres but then he was class for Liverpool for 3 seasons. Another that comes to mind is Andrew Johnson who scored 20+ goals in a PL season once and then was just decentish-average for the rest of his career.
This wouldn't be a question on a non-British forum.
Say what?
Kane. This kids been raved about for years. He could be our CF for the next decade.
Can't think of any under that criteria.
Phillips was about 25 when he had that 30 goal season. He'd played a good few seasons. Beattie was about 24 and had played a good few seasons. Apparently a guy called Marcus Stewart, but he was about 25 (?) also.
You have a number of one-season wonders, like McCarthy and Santa Cruz, Michu but they were older.
Jeffers barely scored. Andrew Johnson was 24 and it was injuries that really ruined him. He knew were the net was otherwise.
There's no example of somebody scoring this many at such a young age, and then going on to completely flop. He'll score at least 15 league goals next season, I should think.
Not to quibble, but he scored 31.
Advantage because we're an English club and the more English players the better. They obviously have to be good enough, though, and I personally feel Kane could be.
We don't hold any obligation to develop English talent. A player being English, or any nationality for that matter, is certainly not an "advantage" of any sort. If anything it is discriminatory towards foreign talent. Ridiculous point there.
A rather unfortunate choice of word there. Given the home-grown quota (isn't it planned to increase btw?) then there is exactly that - an obligation to have English players in the squad.
English players who are capable of playing at the top level are rare so the few that are (or could potentially become) are very important for the top PL clubs.
I guess this gets in the way of your English players are overrated rant, though.
Whether or not English players are an advantage for a PL side is more debatable, but the majority (if not all?) successful PL sides to date have had a number of English players in their starting XI.
Is this a real question? Benzema obviously.
Kane, a more natural scorer than Benzema who most of the time seems more interested on getting on the ball rather than getting on the end of things. I prefer my strikers get the ball in the back of the net and one with classic ball striking like Kane will always have that ability.
First things first - Benzema is the better player right now - infact it's not even that close. You can't always quantify his talent in terms of pure numbers so even if his statistical figures are similar to Kane, he is a couple of notches above the latter - at the very least. He has sustained a really good performance level for about a decade now including his Lyon days, and apart from maybe Lewandowski, is arguably the best systemic fit for Van Gaal's 'philosophy' when it comes to strikers playing at or around their peak. Kind of Fenomeno-lite in terms of his rounded qualities as a forward - high workrate and very dynamic, brings his team-mates into the match, and a team player above all else. He has had to sacrifice a lot for the sake of Ronaldo - and you could make the argument that in a team built around him, Benzema is perfectly capable of scoring 25-30+ goals per season. United could sign him and instantly have a Diego Costa level of production if the supporting cast is up to standard.
That said, I'd have to choose Kane, even though he represents a significantly bigger risk than Benzema. To be fair, like a lot of people I was very skeptical at first because we have seen strikers like Bent or Benteke cool off to the median level after their purple patch subsided. But the more you watch him, the more you realize that Kane has a very diverse range of qualities as a prototypical #9, something would have to go terribly wrong for him to stagnate at a certain level. He seems a student of the game, and as he keeps developing, his performances will only become more pronounced and consistent instead of regressing. He can create chances for others, has good aerial presence and can be the fulcrum of the attack, very dogged in his approach, can shoot from distance, technically quite sound, gets in the right goal-scoring positions as a fox in the box - early days still but in terms of his skillset and athletic attributes, he is kind of a hybrid between a cerebral forward like Sheringham, archetypal striker like Shearer and a dog (in a good way) like Manzukic. Players like Kane and Morata are very good fits for Van Gaal's system when it comes to the younger crop.
IMO Kane is only just starting and has the potential to be one of the best strikers in the league, if not more. The one season wonder argument can certainly be used against him, it has some historical merit and does seem a more pragmatic approach to be honest. But it could also serve as a measuring tool for his projection and what he'll develop into based on his potential, much like Ramsey or Bale's breakout season(s). Wouldn't be surprised if he replicates the level of performance evidenced by those two in the past few seasons (fitness permitting).
Plus you have all the intangibles which are admittedly subjective by nature, and something not everyone ascribes to. He is young and developing, and as a United supporter who only ever saw Fergie in the pre-Moyesian age, it's always more romantic and gratifying to sign that type of player. He's English and United has always had a good national team core through all the years of success. This isn't to say the club should sign local players just for the sake of it - but he typifies the sort of player that could form the backbone of the team in the coming seasons. And this might sound defeatist - but because of his nationality, we won't have to worry about him angling for a move every summer. And in a departure from a lot of young players who get sidetracked by a million distractions or buried under media scrutiny, he seems quite grounded and dedicated to his craft.
That said, I'd have to choose Kane, even though he represents a significantly bigger risk than Benzema. To be fair, like a lot of people I was very skeptical at first because we have seen strikers like Bent or Benteke cool off to the median level after their purple patch subsided. But the more you watch him, the more you realize that Kane has a very diverse range of qualities as a prototypical #9, something would have to go terribly wrong for him to stagnate at a certain level. He seems a student of the game, and as he keeps developing, his performances will only become more pronounced and consistent instead of regressing. He can create chances for others, has good aerial presence and can be the fulcrum of the attack, very dogged in his approach, can shoot from distance, technically quite sound, gets in the right goal-scoring positions as a fox in the box - early days still but in terms of his skillset and athletic attributes, he is kind of a hybrid between a cerebral forward like Sheringham, archetypal striker like Shearer and a dog (in a good way) like Manzukic. Players like Kane and Morata are very good fits for Van Gaal's system when it comes to the younger crop.
IMO Kane is only just starting and has the potential to be one of the best strikers in the league, if not more. The one season wonder argument can certainly be used against him, it has some historical merit and does seem a more pragmatic approach to be honest. But it could also serve as a measuring tool for his projection and what he'll develop into based on his potential, much like Ramsey or Bale's breakout season(s). Wouldn't be surprised if he replicates the level of performance evidenced by those two in the past few seasons (fitness permitting).
Plus you have all the intangibles which are admittedly subjective by nature, and something not everyone ascribes to. He is young and developing, and as a United supporter who only ever saw Fergie in the pre-Moyesian age, it's always more romantic and gratifying to sign that type of player. He's English and United has always had a good national team core through all the years of success. This isn't to say the club should sign local players just for the sake of it - but he typifies the sort of player that could form the backbone of the team in the coming seasons. And this might sound defeatist - but because of his nationality, we won't have to worry about him angling for a move every summer. And in a departure from a lot of young players who get sidetracked by a million distractions or buried under media scrutiny, he seems quite grounded and dedicated to his craft.