It's simple. There clearly isn't any.
Bentancur racial slur
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I'm glad everything's so black and white for you.
That's quite the selection you made.The meaning of the joke is extremely clear. It has nothing to do with Chinese people looking different than Japanese people, but that Betancour wouldn't be able to pick one South Korean apart from another, or one Asian from another Asian, depending on how "precise" his joke is. He's joking about not being able to tell the difference between e.g. Son Heung-min, Park Ji-sung, Kim Dae-jung and Psy, because they all look the same.
They have similar hair colour, that's basically it.
How about picking a Korean boy band and a random Uruguayan NT?
Not the same, but thanks feck for hair colour
Distinctly different
That's quite the selection you made.
How about picking a Korean boy band and a random Uruguayan NT?
Not the same, but thanks feck for hair colour
Distinctly different
I thought you were trying to make a weird point, but this borders on trolling. BTS is literally a designed group where the whole point is that the members conform to the current fashionable beauty standard. Here is the South Korean national team:
Distinctly different.
Guess what? Most people's exposure to Korea is through their boy bands. That was the entire point.I thought you were trying to make a weird point, but this borders on trolling. BTS is literally a designed group where the whole point is that the members conform to the current fashionable beauty standard. Here is the South Korean national team:
Distinctly different.
You just explained precisely why they would be perceived as "the same", they make a deliberate effort to do so.
@antohan The cattle farm comment was a jibe with no malice.
The point being that if a player representing your country wants to make sweeping comments about a race as banter, then can the same be done in return
but then what would the return comment be about? 20 or so world class footballers and a disproportionate number of cattle. Forgive my ignorance.
Alternatively some civility and speak respectfully of your team mate and don’t be an idiot. Pretty basic stuff.
The point being that if a player representing your country wants to make sweeping comments about a race as banter, then can the same be done in return
but then what would the return comment be about? 20 or so world class footballers and a disproportionate number of cattle. Forgive my ignorance.
Alternatively some civility and speak respectfully of your team mate and don’t be an idiot. Pretty basic stuff.
First the point was that there is less phenotypic variations between Asians than non-Asians, and that Japanese and Chinese people are distinct in a noticable way, now it's that Betancour is blasting K-pop and thinks that Son looks like his idols? At the same time as there was no intent at all behind what he said?
These are three mutually exclusive things.
I’ll keep stating it. The reason it’s a shitty trope is because it’s a blatant admission that East Asians aren’t relevant in any broad discussion. If x person can’t see a physical difference they likely have no interest in you as a person or your needs.
so it’s about exclusion from society defined by race.
so it’s about exclusion from society defined by race.
I didn't understand that at all, seems like you are doubling down here if you ask me.
I didn't make that first point, certainly not about "Asians" as it would be completely idiotic given it spans 1/3 of the world's landmass and more than half its population.
Japanese people and Chinese people ARE distinct in a noticeable way. I stand by that.
I've no idea what music Bentancur listens to, but people's exposure to Koreans (in places where there are none) is largely limited to entertainment and, naturally, there's a narrower variation as you will have role models + people wanting to look like their role models. With Bentancur you could add that I wouldn't be at all surprised if Son's entourage actually look a lot like him, not just cousins with bloodline but chaps adopting the same styling, fashion, etc. I mean, if he were an ugly feck maybe not, but he isn't.
I’m not Asian, but my wife and children are and I will live the rest of my life here. The topic gives me no concern as it’s born from ignorance. I also have no ill will to Uruguay. I only know alittle of your country, but perhaps more than most would.
I’m just standing some ground because as Son showed, being respectful, having humility and avoiding conflict is the correct response, but it doesn’t stop these stupid comments continuing.
Someone else made that point, about "Far East people", and you specifically quoted that part to agree with it.
Betancour has played against South Korea several times. He has probably watched the games he missed through injury, especially the World Cup one. It's a pretty safe assumption that a dumbass footballer from Uruguay, living in London, gets his impression of South Koreans or Asians from football and living in London.
It's an age old dumb generalization, and a just as old idiotic joke, that stupid people make about ethnicities they're not very familiar with. It's not deeper than that, it's not about phenotypic variation or boy bands. When people make the same jokes about black people, they don't have Ethiopians vs Nigerians in mind. It's just a dumb racial joke.
Good for you, it has a lot going for it.
Re: ignorance, absolutely, but not in an ill-willed or judgmental way. You mentioned earlier how East Asian culture elicited disrespect or looking down. Not at all, it's simply alien to us as we have little if any exposure to it.
I know I'm putting my foot in it here and some randomer will get riled up, but Obdulio Varela, el Negro Jefe (the Black Chief), our captain at Maracana in 1950, always resorted to the term "Japanese" when creating a siege mentality.
He probably never saw a Japanese person in his entire life and obviously had no issue with them whatsoever. The entire point was it was the most alien, geographically and culturally remote thing you could conceive of so "us and them" was basically encapsulated in him referring to everyone else as Japanese, regardless of whether we were playing Bolivia, Sweden or Brazil.
We will never win any political correctness awards, that's for sure.
Far East, yeah, that makes more sense. What's wrong about that? Are you saying the extent of racial mix in the Far East is comparable to that of South America, where a relatively tiny indigenous population (in terms of population density vs Asia) mixed up with massive European and African inflows over the last three centuries?
Awful!
Quality control
What does 4 pictures of Son have to do with anything?The meaning of the joke is extremely clear. It has nothing to do with Chinese people looking different than Japanese people, but that Betancour wouldn't be able to pick one South Korean apart from another, or one Asian from another Asian, depending on how "precise" his joke is. He's joking about not being able to tell the difference between e.g. Son Heung-min, Park Ji-sung, Kim Dae-jung and Psy, because they all look the same.
They have similar hair colour, that's basically it.
It's also just a psychological fact that people tend to find it harder to distinguish faces of races other than their own, particularly if they have limited exposure through their lives. Of course you're supposed to be smart enough to realize that it's perception and not reality.
I can understand why a South American might make that joke and not realize that it's inappropriate and considered racist. That's why whether there is malicious intention is really important. In Bentancur's case there obviously isn't, whereas in the Suarez case there obviously was.
It's not really that important.
Malicious or not, it's still in direct violation of the rules, which should definitely land him the minimum 3 match ban.
I find the height of the horse quite hilarious really.
As far as I know we are the only South American country without an official religion, back in 1918 we decided that was a private matter and none of the state's business.
We allowed women to get divorced out of their own volition, with no cause to prove, before they could even vote in Europe.
We decriminalised buggery over 50 years before the "developed" Western countries.
But no, we are the backwards ones that have to pick their words.
As far as I know we are the only South American country without an official religion, back in 1918 we decided that was a private matter and none of the state's business.
We allowed women to get divorced out of their own volition, with no cause to prove, before they could even vote in Europe.
We decriminalised buggery over 50 years before the "developed" Western countries.
But no, we are the backwards ones that have to pick their words.
An interesting and thoughtful post, but there's one problem at the heart of it, which slightly undermines your position: namely, your assumption that the category "English people" is synonymous with "white" or "looking like Harry Kane." (I've bolded the part where you say this, and also the part where you seem to realize its flaw.) This simply isn't true. Many groups have crossed the Channel into England over the millennia, and it's now known that the first modern Britons, arriving after the last Ice Age, had black skin and dark, curly hair. But even if you ignore this discovery, the reality is that people born in contemporary England can belong to any race, of course. Englishness isn't whiteness.
I didn't want to resurrect your exchange with @criticalanalysis, which was nuanced and respectful and largely concluded, and I tend to agree with parts of your arguments but not all. But I just couldn't let this small assertion go by without challenging it, as I believe it's one of the roots of modern racism in England, that so many white English people assume whiteness is the default when it comes to Englishness. It doesn't, and reality is far more complex than that.
Been charged by the FA.
So that's Ugarte out then
Meanwhile, 5yr old children are fighting cancer in Great Ormond Street...
Meanwhile, the internal review of Enzo Fernandez's case by Chelsea is peachy.
Meanwhile, the world had developed an ability to focus on more than one issue at a time.
Do you want the FA to ban them or something?
Why are you typing this out when there's forest fires in Brazil right now?
How he (and the rest of his culpable teammates) escaped is beyond me.
Gave him the vice-captaincy, no? Incredible stuff
He was apparently one of the (363) vice captains last year already, whatever that means, but they made the choice of not removing that from him.
The Bentancur incident happened much earlier in the summer, I believe, (so it’s possible that they have something coming for Enzo too). I don’t see any internal action from Spurs other than a statement reasserting their commitment to diversity and inclusion.
The FA charging him is good. I hope they do the same with Enzo. It should never be left up to the clubs to discipline their own players because more often than not they’ll choose the easiest way out. Both Chelsea and Spurs did, despite me wishing Chelsea would buck the trend and self-ban him.
Bonkers it's taken them this long.
Id honestly love to understand what point you're attempting to make here.
Also, just re-read the thread and saw there is more than one user unironically claiming that what this lad said was not racist because they all sorta actually look the same. Great stuff.
Quality irony from the Guardian.
Doesn't take too much understanding does it?
The poster is suggesting there's far more important things in the world.
In jest I assume, because otherwise that could be used to shut almost every post and thread on the whole forum down!
Bear in mind that particular poster posted in a thread about ego that using google will give you a “liberal, leftie” definition of the word. I’d say that makes their meaning even more clear.
You're only saying that because you don't know Buddhism. Trust me bro.
poor @antohan, 43k posts on here, half of them explaining why uruguayans aren’t bad people.
I still think it's fascinating how slow they are to react in certain cases. Bentancur made the slur on national tv in early june, no idea why it's taken them 3 months to charge the fecker.
Rewind to the Dier case and how much time they spent sorting that one out before he was finally banned. He charged into the stands at the start of march and 4 fecking months later they hand him a 4 match ban.
Rewind to the Dier case and how much time they spent sorting that one out before he was finally banned. He charged into the stands at the start of march and 4 fecking months later they hand him a 4 match ban.