Benjamin Mendy | Man City player

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Zoo said:
Shaw's injury granted him one last chance as we won't be able to move him on this summer.
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Blessing in disguise for him? :lol:

No fecking way mate. If anything it would have convinced Mourinho that he can't rely on him and that he needs to keep Darmian who's at least reliable while also aiming to sign a top LB. And if both of these things happen, then Shaw has 0 chance of playing in any meaningful matches next season. At least if he was fit he could have got a transfer elsewhere and played football. But now he's more likely to have to spend a year sitting on the outside looking in.

No way is that good for him in any way.
 
JPRouve said:
We are allowed to sell players you know, the problem is a problem of quality. Young, Blind, Smalling, Jones should all be sold if possible and our back line should be, we could get around 40m:
Valencia, new RB or LB, Fosuh-Mensah(CB), Tuanzebe(CB), Rojo(CB), Bailly(CB), new CB, Shaw(lb) and Darmian(FB).
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The problem is both of quality and quantity. We can not sell because it would reduce the depth and numbers. We can really loan a second choice Lb if shaw is not too dependable but it would give him another chance to prove.

The problem is of our scouting, there are many viable options out there. A french player like Theo hernandez is making headlines on loan in la liga where madrid will snap up for mere 30 m euros from a direct rival , Yet we never seem to scout quality and always seems to buy it. We should have Also kept and eye on him or taken him on loan.
 
We always used to dominate teams late on under Fergie; with overlaps out wide and cut backs creating chance after chance. One of our biggest problems now is that we simply don't have that.

None of our fullbacks are particularly great going forward (even Valencia) and all of our wide players cut inside and amble about far too much. A great attacking fullback would help.
 
prtk0811 said:
The problem is both of quality and quantity. We can not sell because it would reduce the depth and numbers. We can really loan a second choice Lb if shaw is not too dependable but it would give him another chance to prove.

The problem is of our scouting, there are many viable options out there. A french player like Theo hernandez is making headlines on loan in la liga where madrid will snap up for mere 30 m euros from a direct rival , Yet we never seem to scout quality and always seems to buy it. We should have Also kept and eye on him or taken him on loan.
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I disagree, our depth problem only exist because of our injury prone defenders, they should be ditched not kept.
 
VP89 said:
One of the teams we created more chances than is Chelsea, so yeah I don't think chance creation is an issue for us. As I said, its the lack of a killer instinct in the goal and the cutting edge in the final third that rests with our attacking players. Moreover we have a 35 year old central midfielder rotating Fellaini to start in our midfield.

Yeah, LB is far from our worst problem.
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Chelsea attack hard and attack early, usually grabbing a goal and then slowing down their build up play while ahead. It's understandable that they have created less because they are so clinical like that. We never have that luxury and often had to spend 90 minutes desperate for a goal.

You're talking about squad players in Carrick and Fellaini, i'm talking about our starting 11. Left back is absolutely one of our weakest positions.
 
MadMike said:
Blessing in disguise for him? :lol:

No fecking way mate. If anything it would have convinced Mourinho that he can't rely on him and that he needs to keep Darmian who's at least reliable while also aiming to sign a top LB. And if both of these things happen, then Shaw has 0 chance of playing in any meaningful matches next season. At least if he was fit he could have got a transfer elsewhere and played football. But now he's more likely to have to spend a year sitting on the outside looking in.

No way is that good for him in any way.
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I just think Mourinho will focus on other positions now as by September we will have Shaw, Darmian and Blind as LB's on the books. Without the injury Mourinho may well have prioritised replacing Shaw this summer.
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
Chelsea attack hard and attack early, usually grabbing a goal and then slowing down their build up play while ahead. It's understandable that they have created less because they are so clinical like that. We never have that luxury and often had to spend 90 minutes desperate for a goal.

You're talking about squad players in Carrick and Fellaini, i'm talking about our starting 11. Left back is absolutely one of our weakest positions.
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You're comparing our chance creation lagging behind Klopp and Pep and putting it down to the LB. That's inherently wrong - you can take Roberto Carlos as our LB and it won't change the fact that Jose's style of play is much different to the teams that created more than him. Conte's Chelsea is as comparable as Jose Mourinho as you can get - just look at how he won the title 2 years ago. If we created more than the Champions of England, I don't think creation is the biggest issue in our team.

If you think Carrick and Fellaini are just squad players, you haven't bothered to watch any of our games this season. They've started in virtually every game between them - and neither of them can be trusted to do the same next season for different reasons.
 
VP89 said:
You're comparing our chance creation lagging behind Klopp and Pep and putting it down to the LB. That's inherently wrong - you can take Roberto Carlos as our LB and it won't change the fact that Jose's style of play is much different to the teams that created more than him. Conte's Chelsea is as comparable as Jose Mourinho as you can get - just look at how he won the title 2 years ago. If we created more than the Champions of England, I don't think creation is the biggest issue in our team.

If you think Carrick and Fellaini are just squad players, you haven't bothered to watch any of our games this season. They've started in virtually every game between them - and neither of them can be trusted to do the same next season for different reasons.
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Don't put words in my mouth. I was talking about out left back being a big weakness for us and you started yapping about chance creation like it's the be all and end all, even though ours isn't that impressive.

Conte's Chelsea is nothing like Mourinhos other than personell but that's for another thread.

Carrick and Fellaini only became part of the starting 11 when Pogba and after that Mata got injured but even then, Fellaini and Carrick are both better players in their position than Darmian and Blind are at left back so what's your point?
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
Don't put words in my mouth. I was talking about out left back being a big weakness for us and you started yapping about chance creation like it's the be all and end all, even though ours isn't even impressive.

Conte's Chelsea is nothing like Mourinhos other than personell but that's for another thread.

Carrick and Fellaini only became part of the starting 11 when Pogba and after that Mata got injured but even then, Fellaini and Carrick are both better players in their position than Darmian and Blind are at left back so what's your point?
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I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. Your logic for LB being a problem for us was the lack of attacking threat. You brought the attacking creation into it, not me. The notion that our LB is an issue because we created 4th out of the top 6th is pretty odd, especially when two of those teams don't really know the meaning of defence.

As for Carrick and Fellaini - I am now convinced you haven't seen us play this season. Mata's position was on the right of the front 3 and has nothing to do with Carrick/Fellaini partnering Pogba and Herrera in the middle of the park. Carrick has made 23 Premier League appearances for us this season. That is not a squad player. He is also 35, which is a cause for concern.

Conte's Chelsea is a different system but their ruthless efficiency is pretty much the same as Mourinho's 2 years ago.
 
I think he is better suited to City. Pep will bring the best out of him, while here he would need to sit deep and defend. He is all about attacking
 
VP89 said:
I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. Your logic for LB being a problem for us was the lack of attacking threat. You brought the attacking creation into it, not me. The notion that our LB is an issue because we created 4th out of the top 6th is pretty odd, especially when two of those teams don't really know the meaning of defence.

As for Carrick and Fellaini - I am now convinced you haven't seen us play this season. Mata's position was on the right of the front 3 and has nothing to do with Carrick/Fellaini partnering Pogba and Herrera in the middle of the park. Carrick has made 23 Premier League appearances for us this season. That is not a squad player. He is also 35, which is a cause for concern.

Conte's Chelsea is a different system but their ruthless efficiency is pretty much the same as Mourinho's 2 years ago.
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ilovethisgameahahah said:
In my opinion it is, our attacking has been totally dead from the left all season and it took an academy lad to change that. Whenever our left winger get's the ball he has 2 options, beat 2 or 3 men or sideways pass because there's no overlap to give him some space.

We are so one dimensional and predictable because teams know that we will only attack with numbers on the right flank.
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ilovethisgameahahah said:
We have played a very conservative, defensive style of football for the last 6 months. It would be weird if we didn't have one of the best defensive records in the league.
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VP89 said:
Our chance creation has been very good this year - we've lacked a striker massively to carry the goal burden from Zlatan. I'm not going to bother entertaining the idea that LB is our weakest position on the pitch when we have the second best defence in the league and ample of creative players to contribute from other areas. Not to forget the Shaw showed a stronger attacking threat since his small run towards the end of the season, bagging a couple of assists.



No we haven't.
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As you can see i blamed our use of left backs for making us one dimensional and predictable, not for us creating few chances. If you attack down the right for a whole season, teams will start to work you out.

Give it a rest mate, you're getting confused and taking claims that we need to strengthen a position that has been weak for us all season to heart. Yes we obviously need to re-enforce our attack and add depth to our midfield but Left back is an obvious position to strengthen in our starting 11, we have been playing square pegs there for 3 years now.
 
JPRouve said:
I disagree, our depth problem only exist because of our injury prone defenders, they should be ditched not kept.
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Disagree, Boundaries have been pushed further since the fergie era, A team no more can rely on first team for all competitions. Its just too risky. You end up players being burnt up if overplayed which leads to more injuries.
 
prtk0811 said:
Disagree, Boundaries have been pushed further since the fergie era, A team no more can rely on first team for all competitions. Its just too risky. You end up players being burnt up if overplayed which leads to more injuries.
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We have 5 CB in the first team squad, its more than enough. The issue is 2 of the more senior ones cannot be relied upon to stay fit! Replace those 2 and we would be fine.
 
prtk0811 said:
Disagree, Boundaries have been pushed further since the fergie era, A team no more can rely on first team for all competitions. Its just too risky. You end up players being burnt up if overplayed which leads to more injuries.
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What is too risky? I proposed 4 fullbacks and 5 CBs without counting academy players, that's enough.
 
ilovethisgameahahah said:
As you can see i blamed our use of left backs for making us one dimensional and predictable, not for us creating few chances. If you attack down the right for a whole season, teams will start to work you out.

Give it a rest mate, you're getting confused and taking claims that we need to strengthen a position that has been weak for us all season to heart. Yes we obviously need to re-enforce our attack and add depth to our midfield but Left back is an obvious position to strengthen in our starting 11, we have been playing square pegs there for 3 years now.
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You called us "one dimensional" and said we look "dead" with "teams knowing we will attack in numbers from the right flank". You're talking about where we attack and create our chances from and are clearly misguided (or don't watch us play given that bizzare comment about Carrick/Fellaini being combined squad players).

Here is a map of our attack over the season and % of chances from each side:

http://www.squawka.com/teams/manche...son-2016/2017#641#all-matches#1-38#pitch-view

Is that one dimensional to you?
 
pocco said:
If City get Walker and Mendy at fullback then they'll have more threat from them two going forward than we have from our fullbacks and wingers combined.
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Ya, and twice as susceptible to counters you may suspect, before Pochettino's high press and pushing Walker high, he wasn't deemed a great defender, and Mendy looked fecking lost against Juventus for example.
We don't seem to play with 2 fullbacks allowed to overlap anyhow.
 
Ban said:
Well depends what you mean by get away. I mean we got away defensively pretty good despite the fact we rotated at that position a lot. I think we should add another CB, especially if one of Jones or Smalling is leaving.
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Get away as in our LW suffers because of the poor quality at left back. Our team does not suffer because of our Centre backs.
 
I have no idea if we're seriously in for Mendy. We're probably not in for a LB it's definitely a position of weakness. Darmian has been good defensively lately but offers absolutely nothing going forward and although I'm sure Shaw still has a career I can't see him getting serious minutes next year unless he seriously sorts something out. I think people are underrating his defensive skills but it's true that he's certainly not the most defensively secure fullback. But for me signing him would be a dream because I've forgotten what it's like to have a fullback deliver accurate crosses. Will probably go to City though
 
I can't see us beating City to his signature which is quite sad.
 
BennyBlanco said:
Ya, and twice as susceptible to counters you may suspect, before Pochettino's high press and pushing Walker high, he wasn't deemed a great defender, and Mendy looked fecking lost against Juventus for example.
We don't seem to play with 2 fullbacks allowed to overlap anyhow.
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Yeah hopefully it turns out to be a right mess. But I think Pep is gearing City up to become a team that don't let the opposition out of their own half and having extremely athletic players to cover the counters whilst being good enough to dominate possession.
 
If City get him, Fabinho and Silva I'll be gutted as I'd of wanted all 3 here.

Mendy is excellent and those who think Shaw are anywhere near him are delusional. Mendy is doing it at a champions league semi finalist. Shaw can't even break himself into our team when he's fit.
 
Bwuk said:
If City get him, Fabinho and Silva I'll be gutted as I'd of wanted all 3 here.

Mendy is excellent and those who think Shaw are anywhere near him are delusional. Mendy is doing it at a champions league semi finalist. Shaw can't even break himself into our team when he's fit.
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That's true and I don't really disagree but I feel Shaw isn't being left out due to ability, it's either attitude or something mentally. I've seen enough at Southampton and even for us last year before the leg broke to know he's quality.

The problem is getting him back to that level, if Jose doesn't think it's possible then I can see him going big on a LB because Darmian us a squad player at best (played well lately to be fair but still)
 
Castia said:
That's true and I don't really disagree but I feel Shaw isn't being left out due to ability, it's either attitude or something mentally. I've seen enough at Southampton and even for us last year before the leg broke to know he's quality.

The problem is getting him back to that level, if Jose doesn't think it's possible then I can see him going big on a LB because Darmian us a squad player at best (played well lately to be fair but still)
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Shaw is a absolute myth. In his first season here he couldn't cement his place in the team. Second he was good for about 8-10 games before injury. Third season Jose just wasn't interested in him at all.

He's not good enough. Darmian despite being far from my favourite player, has contributed far more to United than Shaw has.
 
JPRouve said:
What is too risky? I proposed 4 fullbacks and 5 CBs without counting academy players, that's enough.
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We need atleast 2 top quality cb's we have only 1. that's where quality and quantity has to be balanced. Regarding a LB the jury is still out on Shaw as first choice, I would not mind someone like ricardo rodriguez on loan And give shaw another chance, And it does not mean i would not want mendy But i feel our money should be more focussed on a top CB than a LB as we cant do both in this window.

If we reaaly would be in for perisic who would hug the touchline like a out and out winger, We many not require a lb too desperately, He Could also suit as a wingback.
 
pocco said:
Yeah hopefully it turns out to be a right mess. But I think Pep is gearing City up to become a team that don't let the opposition out of their own half and having extremely athletic players to cover the counters whilst being good enough to dominate possession.
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Yep, force down his philosophy on Epl teams in a bullish way, and forr 2-0 or 3- 0 quickly. But Epl will adapt with Longballs and direct play Which does not happen in other leagues.
 
Castia said:
That's true and I don't really disagree but I feel Shaw isn't being left out due to ability, it's either attitude or something mentally. I've seen enough at Southampton and even for us last year before the leg broke to know he's quality.

The problem is getting him back to that level, if Jose doesn't think it's possible then I can see him going big on a LB because Darmian us a squad player at best (played well lately to be fair but still)
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Work rate. for which attitude and hardwork is required.
 
Cassidy said:
We have 5 CB in the first team squad, its more than enough. The issue is 2 of the more senior ones cannot be relied upon to stay fit! Replace those 2 and we would be fine.
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We need 2 Cb's as our first choice , and nither smalling , jones or rojo would be that. 1 more quality CB is required. For these 5 as a group.
 
prtk0811 said:
I am aware. But he'll spend time on the bench Most of the time. Rather than playing regularly. Candefinately say he's more attacking than mendy.
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They will likely send him out on loan while we pray to God that Shaw gets on the field
 
VP89 said:
Our chance creation has been very good this year - we've lacked a striker massively to carry the goal burden from Zlatan. I'm not going to bother entertaining the idea that LB is our weakest position on the pitch when we have the second best defence in the league and ample of creative players to contribute from other areas. Not to forget the Shaw showed a stronger attacking threat since his small run towards the end of the season, bagging a couple of assists.



No we haven't.
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You do realize every pass that leads to a shot on goal registers as a chance created, right? More chances created simply means more shots taken, tells nothing about the quality of chances. I bet most of those so called chances are desperate shots for outside the box. Stats without perspective mean nothing.

It's clear that we lack penetration and width going forward on either side. Look at all the top teams in the world, fullback is one of their most important positions.
 
Z_Wolf said:
It's clear that we lack penetration and width going forward on either side. Look at all the top teams in the world, fullback is one of their most important positions.
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Reminds me of that recent interview with Luis Campos.

English clubs really, really like top attacking players, yet to a large extent make them play alongside medium-quality defences. And that, in my opinion, explains their relative lack of success in European competitions despite them spending exorbitant sums in recent years.

Successfully building a good team project always involves the ability of players to relate and ‘match’ to each other. In the Premier League there is a big difference between great talents, and the medium quality of support for the same offensive talent. Most teams lack great defenders, and defensive midfielders.

So I do not know if they would understand me culturally. The great forwards who are already in the Premier League would be even better if they had the support of great full backs, for example. And how many great full backs are there in England? Right now, maybe just Tottenham’s.
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Z_Wolf said:
You do realize every pass that leads to a shot on goal registers as a chance created, right? More chances created simply means more shots taken, tells nothing about the quality of chances. I bet most of those so called chances are desperate shots for outside the box. Stats without perspective mean nothing.

It's clear that we lack penetration and width going forward on either side. Look at all the top teams in the world, fullback is one of their most important positions.
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My point was more about how we have a balanced attack from right or left - the notion that we only created from the right flank is ridiculous. There are little other stats that show our clear cut chance creation - other than an article from Skysports in November which had us ranked quite highly.
 
So happens we have some of the worst going forward among the top clubs.
 
izec said:
I think he is better suited to City. Pep will bring the best out of him, while here he would need to sit deep and defend. He is all about attacking
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How times have changed. These were the sort of things I read @ shedend
 
Imagine beating city to Fabinho and Mendy, we will have our Dm and LB position sorted, along with valencia we will be a threat from both sides. Then i would be ok with buying Dier as a Cb option, griezmann and bale or sanchez that would be a perfect summer for us. Two attacking players with pedigree and goals and three defensive acquisitions.

We will probably have to fork out 250m for this, but considering we have already sold depay, schweinsteiger and schneiderlin for 40m odd million and we will likely sell rooney, young, jones, darmian, fellani we will recoup 70 to 80m that makes our expenditure 130m only.
 
Sensei said:
How times have changed. These were the sort of things I read @ shedend
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it was a joke, some said the same thing about Bernardo Silva, and i didnt find it funny. We should always go for the best players, some dont think so unfortunately.
 
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