Ben Chilwell to Chelsea

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How many full backs since Conte took over? Alonso, Palmieri and there was another one I believe. Azpi on the right and they've got that promising youth.
We get a lot of criticism, but they've made really bad purchases as well and people don't half talk about it. Look at their striker situation as well, Tammy, Giroud, Morata, Bats and now Werner.
 
Varun1 said:
How many full backs since Conte took over? Alonso, Palmieri and there was another one I believe. Azpi on the right and they've got that promising youth.
We get a lot of criticism, but they've made really bad purchases as well and people don't half talk about it. Look at their striker situation as well, Tammy, Giroud, Morata, Bats and now Werner.
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I won't tolerate this disrespect towards Zappacosta pal :lol:
 
I wouldn't really say that Alonso has been a poor signing but I think transfers and signings need to be taken into consideration as to who the manager is. If they are all the same person then fair but Conte/Sarri/Lampard are all v. different managers so while Alonso is the perfect player for Conte football, it isn't necessarily for Lampard football. Giroud has been decent for them, Bats has been poor as was Morata but at least with Morata they managed to recoup the fee for him.
 
forevrared said:
Yeah, but pace is one of those things you don't just come into by moving to a bigger club or playing with better teammates. As such, it'll likely always hold him back from hitting the heights of a Rio/Vidic where we can say with confidence we're unlikely to find a better defender at any point in his career, yet we still spent £80 mil on him. Harry's still very good, as is Chilwell.

They'll both feature prominently for England and I think it's fairly common to pay premiums for left footed players, so you can understand why Leicester would ask for a similar price.
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Maguire has other qualities too. He is a leader as we have seen this season, he has brought a real calmness to our defence.

Chilwell is not a regular for England yet wheras Maguire is probably the first name on the team sheet.

Fairly common to pay a premium for left footed players? where have you come up with this from?
 
SilentWitness said:
I wouldn't really say that Alonso has been a poor signing but I think transfers and signings need to be taken into consideration as to who the manager is. If they are all the same person then fair but Conte/Sarri/Lampard are all v. different managers so while Alonso is the perfect player for Conte football, it isn't necessarily for Lampard football. Giroud has been decent for them, Bats has been poor as was Morata but at least with Morata they managed to recoup the fee for him.
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I agree you can't blame each manager for the squad they inherited but as a club they seem to have kept doing the managerial hokie cokie they've pretty much always done under Abramovich but, for various reasons, without the huge bankrolling we associate with the earlier part of the project. Chopping and changing when you can't bring in x number of new players for the latest boss is not a good strategy, and I must say I have little sympathy with the club's decision-makers on that score, though I agree it's not the particular fault of the managers.
 
£80 million for Chilwell is ridiculous. I'd play £40 million tops.

Money is football is getting out of hand if Ben Chilwell can be valued this highly.
 
A player who seems much more highly rated by opposition fans than Leicester fans themselves. Think they'd be laughing all the way to the bank if they got anywhere near the prices being quoted for him
 
vodrake said:
A player who seems much more highly rated by opposition fans than Leicester fans themselves. Think they'd be laughing all the way to the bank if they got anywhere near the prices being quoted for him
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Yeah seen this too, a lot of Leicester fans were wanting him replaced or at least dropped last season.
 
romufc said:
Maguire has other qualities too. He is a leader as we have seen this season, he has brought a real calmness to our defence.

Chilwell is not a regular for England yet wheras Maguire is probably the first name on the team sheet.

Fairly common to pay a premium for left footed players? where have you come up with this from?
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He can be as calm as you like and he's still not worth fecking £80m, but since we've paid it, Leicester will continue asking that for similarly skilled players.

Left handed people account for 10% of the population, on average. There's just not as many to go around, if you want a naturally left footed one. I'd argue left-back is one of the harder positions in a team to fill.
 
I don’t think Chelsea will care too much to overpay these 10-20m pounds - did we in case of Maguire? If you ask fans now, they’ll say we were fleeced but they’d be happy he joined. I rate Chilwell higher than many here and I think he can cement that LB spot for Chelsea and England for foreseeable future. Very good player and will provide Lampard with another piece he needs to challenge for the title.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
I agree you can't blame each manager for the squad they inherited but as a club they seem to have kept doing the managerial hokie cokie they've pretty much always done under Abramovich but, for various reasons, without the huge bankrolling we associate with the earlier part of the project. Chopping and changing when you can't bring in x number of new players for the latest boss is not a good strategy, and I must say I have little sympathy with the club's decision-makers on that score, though I agree it's not the particular fault of the managers.
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I agree with that too. It feels like the atmosphere at Chelsea is changing a little though and they look inclined to give Lampard a bit support than previous managers but time will tell.
 
forevrared said:
He can be as calm as you like and he's still not worth fecking £80m, but since we've paid it, Leicester will continue asking that for similarly skilled players.

Left handed people account for 10% of the population, on average. There's just not as many to go around, if you want a naturally left footed one. I'd argue left-back is one of the harder positions in a team to fill.
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That is your opinion. How do you compare skill levels of a CB and LB? Chelsea have two LB's and Chilwell will be a third. Depending on the team, you can argue any position is hard to fill really.
 
GenZRed said:
£80 million for Chilwell is ridiculous. I'd play £40 million tops.

Money is football is getting out of hand if Ben Chilwell can be valued this highly.
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It's no different to the Maguire transfer for us. Neither player is worth that kind of money but it hinges on how determined the buying club is to get their man.

I don't think there is exactly a wealth of options in terms of high level full backs, either.
 
CM10 said:
It's no different to the Maguire transfer for us. Neither player is worth that kind of money but it hinges on how determined the buying club is to get their man.

I don't think there is exactly a wealth of options in terms of high level full backs, either.
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Id argue against that last point. Apart from AWB who is incredible young and a ridiculous talent, not many sides outside of City spend 50m odd on FBs. It seems to be fairly straightforward in taking in cheaper options and actually coaching them to a higher level.
Nobody can defend this, he isnt even an important member of the Leicester first team.
 
CM10 said:
It's no different to the Maguire transfer for us. Neither player is worth that kind of money but it hinges on how determined the buying club is to get their man.

I don't think there is exactly a wealth of options in terms of high level full backs, either.
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Chelsea have a kid in that position who could potentially be very good. He's only at 18 though, so will need time to develop. If Lampard really likes Chilwell, then fair enough, get him what he wants, but I'd personally prefer either Tagliafico or Telles. They're both older, but, at worst, of equal ability, if not better than Chilwell and they'll both cost half as much. In that scenario, Maatsen can then have the same natural progression into the first team as Reece James.
 
I’d argue Tagliafico or Telles would be far better signings especially if considering Abraham/Werner in attack.
 
People going on about their fullbacks. Take a look at their striker success rate. Drogba admittedly was top class and Costa was very good. But let's not forget; Shevchenko, Crespo, Mutu, Kezman, Lukaku, Di Santo, Torres, Ba, Sturridge, Pizzaro, Pato, Eto'o, Remy, Falcao, Morata, Higuain, Batshuayi, Giroud.......

Not all bad players in their careers as a whole but none of them did much for Chelsea really.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
People going on about their fullbacks. Take a look at their striker success rate. Drogba admittedly was top class and Costa was very good. But let's not forget; Shevchenko, Crespo, Mutu, Kezman, Lukaku, Di Santo, Torres, Ba, Sturridge, Pizzaro, Pato, Eto'o, Remy, Falcao, Morata, Higuain, Batshuayi, Giroud.......

Not all bad players in their careers as a whole but none of them did much for Chelsea really.
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Those highlighted accomplished exactly what they were signed for. Crespo has no business being lumped in with Torres, Morata and Shevchenko. He was very good in the short time he played. Pato, Falcao and Higuain were just 'meh, worth a punt' loan signing.

Also, if we're going as far back as Mutu, then we might as well include his teammates at the time Hasselbaink and Gudjohnsen.

I accept your overall point, but that list was needlessly bloated.
 
I just think this guy's so overrated.

Some Leicester fans aren't keen on him.
 
romufc said:
Maguire has other qualities too. He is a leader as we have seen this season, he has brought a real calmness to our defence.

Chilwell is not a regular for England yet wheras Maguire is probably the first name on the team sheet.

Fairly common to pay a premium for left footed players? where have you come up with this from?
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Chilwell has pretty much been first choice left back for England all season. And Danny Rose's performance against Czech Republic pretty much cemented that Chilwell will continue to be first choice.
 
Chilwell is so overrated and average as feck. Not sure at what does he excel, 80m would be a daylight robbery for him.
 
Santos J said:
Yeah seen this too, a lot of Leicester fans were wanting him replaced or at least dropped last season.
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A lot of Leicester fans have never gotten over the fact that Christian Fuchs was dropped for Chilwell, they slaughtered him for the game against Man City but never acknowledged he was left to deal with both KDB and Mahrez by himself which was a big focus in the tactical analysis post match, he is every bit as vital to the side as Wilfred Ndidi, Jamie Vardy, Ricardo or Maddison are, in modern football full backs aren't failed CB s or wingers they are vital cogs in the teams machinery
 
Chelsea can buy him for £80m and then Leicester can give half of that to us for Shaw.
 
I do not understand the hype of fullbacks that can attack but can not defend, Every time I watch him defend he looks poor. For me he is just a winger playing as a LB.
 
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Better than Shaw.

*Still
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One thing is for certain: Shaw would not have been bullied by Sarr like Chilwell was today. One sweetly hit goal doesn't detract from what was a very poor performance.
 
He wasn’t bullied by Sarr he was simply done for Pace, most would be the same as Traore does
 
Looks like another solid signing for Chelsea. They do need a CB and a GK but they're making some good moves.
 
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