Bebe

IL_DUCE said:
Bebe has played only a few games at the highest level, and mostly out of position. He may not be the a future superstar, but it is far too early to judge him at this time.

If anything, it seems that he has a nose for goal. It also seems as if SAF still has faith in his talent. I therefore see no reason for me to dismiss him and his potential.
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Do you recall his other 2 goals for the 1st team?

Both were unbelivable flukes.

Fair enough he took that one on Saturday well and his goal in the reserves was a cracking goal.

But really it means feck all. Usually It is not fair to judge inexperienced players until they have had enough chances.

But have you ever seen a player look as awkward in his touch and running with the ball? He looks like an amateur player and that is being generous.

I do not think he will make it as a professional footballer.
 
londonredmaniac said:
His finish was good. His all round game is of no quality what so ever.
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As to be expected in a developing player. This is why he needs a year of consistent football, either with another English side or with our reserves (with the odd, one off league or league cup appearance) before any further evaluations are made. I get the impression that this is Fergie's approach on the matter.
 
If some of you can ever start looking further than the fact he was once homeless (why on earth are folk still harping on about that) and he's had bad games for us (who hasn't) you'd be able to see that he's a very strong, fast footballer, who gravitates quite naturally into a striking position and is repeatedly looking for opportunities to score. Because of that he does score.

Games are won by whichever team scores the most goals, not by whichever team plays the most attractive or exciting football, or has technically the best players.

If he can pop in a few goals for us when we need them I'll be more than happy with any lack of technical ability he may have.
 
stubie1234 said:
I think a certain Cameroon player holds that tag

Bebe was a poor signing but not the worst
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Djemba was cheaper and played a fair few games. He also played well for Nantes including in the CL before we purchased.

Lets wait and see. I doubt Bebe will play as many for us as Djemba.
 
Red Defence said:
If some of you can ever start looking further than the fact he was once homeless (why on earth are folk still harping on about that) and he's had bad games for us (who hasn't) you'd be able to see that he's a very strong, fast footballer, who gravitates quite naturally into a striking position and is repeatedly looking for opportunities to score. Because of that he does score.

Games are won by whichever team scores the most goals, not by whichever team plays the most attractive or exciting football, or has technically the best players.

If he can pop in a few goals for us when we need them I'll be more than happy with any lack of technical ability he may have.
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His two goals for the first team have come thanks to massive deflections. I'm not sure he can rely on that for long.
 
Raoul said:
As to be expected in a developing player. This is why he needs a year of consistent football, either with another English side or with our reserves (with the odd, one off league or league cup appearance) before any further evaluations are made. I get the impression that this is Fergie's approach on the matter.
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Regular football will do him no harm at all. I still can't see it working but...a year on loan (preferably in this country) should be an indicator.
 
Red Defence said:
If some of you can ever start looking further than the fact he was once homeless (why on earth are folk still harping on about that) and he's had bad games for us (who hasn't) you'd be able to see that he's a very strong, fast footballer, who gravitates quite naturally into a striking position and is repeatedly looking for opportunities to score. Because of that he does score.

Games are won by whichever team scores the most goals, not by whichever team plays the most attractive or exciting football, or has technically the best players.

If he can pop in a few goals for us when we need them I'll be more than happy with any lack of technical ability he may have.
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Lord Jesus Christ above...

It's fine knocking in a few goals in pre season, or against lower league opposition in CC matches...but his technical ability will be shown up at top level. It's crazy to think just because he can finish occasionally the rest doesn't matter.

He needs alot of work.

Jesus if Liverpool had spent this sort of money on a player that looked so below par you'd all be wetting yourself laughing.

Let's see what happens next season if he ends up out on loan.
 
No one is, or will ever be, worse than Dong. Could barely control a football, run without it or put it in vaguely the right direction if through some cosmic coincidence it wound up near him.

Bebe is terrible, but he's not worse than a good chunk of players in lower leagues.
 
Don't see him playing any part with the first team this year. We really should loan him to a championship side where he will get a lot of games and take a decision on him at the end of the year. Definitely not United quality in my opinion.
 
Beachryan said:
No one is, or will ever be, worse than Dong. Could barely control a football, run without it or put it in vaguely the right direction if through some cosmic coincidence it wound up near him.
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Strangely he did ok at reserve level when he played with Danny Welbeck. Thats as clear a sign that Welbeck was a good player as there is, but yes Dong is the worst player to start a game in the PL under Sir Alex.
 
acnumber9 said:
His two goals for the first team have come thanks to massive deflections. I'm not sure he can rely on that for long.
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True the only reason he has them goals is because one happened in the CL and the other in the League Cup where there is no dubious goals panel, if either happened in the PL then they would certainly have gone down as own goals.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Do you recall his other 2 goals for the 1st team?

Both were unbelivable flukes.

Fair enough he took that one on Saturday well and his goal in the reserves was a cracking goal.

But really it means feck all. Usually It is not fair to judge inexperienced players until they have had enough chances.

But have you ever seen a player look as awkward in his touch and running with the ball? He looks like an amateur player and that is being generous.

I do not think he will make it as a professional footballer.
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I can´t disagree with any of this, but yes I have seen worse.

But, as we even support own goal from time to time (hopeless first touch), it should be possible to appreciate and support Bebe's goals, efforts and contribution for our club as well. At least until he has been playing games for some time- and preferably with a hint of self-confidence - without being able to present any evidence to indicate a professional football future at a higher level.

For the time being, I will let the boy get the benefit of the doubt as it seems as if SAF have faith in him.
 
There's obvious talent there. Maybe even Manchester United talent, I don't know. But trying to extract that at his age in hope it would be good enough for that sort of level, is a little far fetched.
 
I personally don't think there is room for debate regarding Bebes talent.
If you watch him play and analyse his runs, his positional sense, his speed, his first touch, his passing range and his all-round game in general you will come to the conclusion that he is not very good.

I'm not one for criticising our players, I always give them the benefit of the doubt if they are not performing, but Bebe is just shit
 
The Djemba twins were almost playing in the Champions League again last season,
 
17Larsson said:
I personally don't think there is room for debate regarding Bebes talent.
If you watch him play and analyse his runs, his positional sense, his speed, his first touch, his passing range and his all-round game in general you will come to the conclusion that he is not very good.

I'm not one for criticising our players, I always give them the benefit of the doubt if they are not performing, but Bebe is just shit
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He was amazingly raw when we got him, no one argued that point. It's his speed and powerful shot that are attractive about him. Sadly because of his injury last year he didn't get a chance to improve himself.

Surely no one expected him to become top class at positioning, touch, and all the facets of the game already?

It's probably more likely than not he'll fail to develop the touch and tactical sense to make it at a top club. But I think he deserves two healthy seasons of work before we decide he'll never learn the finer parts of the game.

With any luck he'll be much more useful than Obertan, as he's got goals in him already, I think he'll become good enough to play full time for a club in the Europa League or about that level.
 
Goals to minutes on the pitch ratio is outstanding and it includes CL. Can't knock it.
 
He was great on left wing today. :eek:
 
A couple of shit touches, but on the whole he was very good. Direct, set up a few chances and a couple of very good efforts. There is hope.
 
People forget he started off quite well. Maybe too much too soon. Is young enough to come good but is raw..
 
The boy done good. Always impressed with his range of shooting, he hits the target alot from all sorts of angles. He has pace, is a beast of a man and that shooting power. But his link up play looked good today, and his spacial awareness looked much improved.

He just needs a good run of games to see what he is made of. Hope he gets a loan in England.
 
DevilRed said:
Probably one of his best games in a United shirt but lets not forget the level of opposition he faced.
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Well then why didn't the rest of the team perform as well and why did we only win 1-0?

Not a comment on you, but am sick of people slagging Bebe off!
 
Randall Flagg said:
Do you recall his other 2 goals for the 1st team?

Both were unbelivable flukes.

Fair enough he took that one on Saturday well and his goal in the reserves was a cracking goal.

But really it means feck all. Usually It is not fair to judge inexperienced players until they have had enough chances.

But have you ever seen a player look as awkward in his touch and running with the ball? He looks like an amateur player and that is being generous.

I do not think he will make it as a professional footballer.
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Sorry, but I can not help it.
What do you say now Randall?
 
He looked a player and like he belonged, setup the goal and his shooting was quick, explosive and on target, he played some sensible balls when there was nothing on aswell instead of doing something mad, fair play to him after all the criticism, hopefully he can build on that display
 
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