Bebe

I can see a lot of you saying that as a professional he didn't come across well and I can see completely where you're coming from. But I think there was another side to that interview and that Bebe has realised himself the mistakes he made. He seems more level headed now and clearly still wants to forge a career with us, he's even saying that he'd like to go on another seasons loan.

With the competition we have up front you'd find It hard to say he will have a career with us (as much as I want him to) but if he has another good pre season the you never know.
 
Yeah, he drafted his own P45 with that interview. No way Fergie would want someone at the club with such a poor attitude. Shame really. You'd think his background would make him hungrier to succeed than most other footballers but it seems to have had the opposite effect. In a way you can understand it. Once he achieved independence and relative financial security he'd probably already exceeded whatever ambitions he had growing up.

Really? Don't think that interview reveals sth new to Fergie or our staff. He said himself they weren't satisfied with the way he worked and trained so they loaned him out. He also says he would try and change his behaviour when he gets the chance to return.

If he can do that I hope he actually does change it and takes his chance. The guy has some talent. Have a soft spot for him as well.
 
What a horrible interview. He basically admitted that he's lazy and he spilled the beans of what is happening in Carrington.
 
He's admitted he was lazy, and he seems genuinely regretful of that. He's clearly gotten his act together a bit as he's shown glimpses of promise whilst on loan. Can't really fault the lad for being honest about his former attitude. To me, it reads more like he made a mistake that he is determined to rectify. I think he should be given a chance to do that, possibly with a Premier League loan perhaps.
 
If he sees himself as something of a Quaresma-type then I can't see how he's ever going to make it here. Shame. Thought he might get another chance next season. Anyway, no surprise the Daily Mail twisted his words to make them sound much more sinister than they are.

Any media outlet has to sex things up on occasion, it would be very difficult to find one in sport that doesn't. A headline can be a little misleading and designed to catch attention or something can be slightly exaggerated to suit the line of a story. Nobody gets harmed and the world keeps turning, there's no malice involved usually but occasionally there's something which is so unfair to a player it can damage their reputation and even harm their career prospects.

What the Daily Mail have done today with Manchester United's Bebe is a prime example of that. Quotes were flying around Twitter earlier from an interview the Rio Ave loan player had done in Portugal, it was alarmist and not a fair representation of what he'd said, but then that's what Twitter is. It should be expected that whilst we take everything on there with a pinch of salt, that if an English newspaper carries the interview then they will have checked it.

You'd expect one of England's top newspapers to at least read the interview first before taking quotes from Twitter and probably get a professional translation of it. Really, you'd expect them not to take quotes from Twitter at all, because it's so easy to end up with the wrong end of a very long stick.

Bebe's interview with Mais in Portugal today was spread out over five articles, it's a weighty piece. He's very complimentary about Manchester United throughout and says all the things you'd expect him to say about life at Old Trafford. He thinks he could have done better, everyone was nice to him, he was star struck and - the staple for any overseas Manchester United player - he couldn't understand Sir Alex Ferguson's accent and thinks Paul Scholes is a class apart.

It was picked up by Portuguese journalist Joao Ruela who tweeted rough quotes from the piece in English, it wasn't meant for publication and it wasn't from his newspaper Diario de Noticias. If he'd have known how some people would take it the wrong way, he probably wouldn't have bothered. His tone was lost and a few paraphrased snippets have been turned into Bebe 'digging his own grave'.

A Daily Mail journalist saw Joao's tweets and replied 'can you follow me so i can message you, joao? trying to call you but can't find you. obrigado' and 'thanks. have found the interview now so it's ok. really enjoyed the piece.'

Of course the piece wasn't from Joao or even his newspaper, but then that doesn't matter, the Daily Mail had found the interview source and so would now go through it and get it translated and make a decent story from it, right?

Well, here's much of what the Daily Mail said including all their quotes:

'I couldn't understand Fergie! Misfit Bebe digs his own grave, adding he couldn't take life at United seriously

Bebe said in an interview with maisfutebol.iol.pt: 'I never took Manchester United seriously and never understood a word about what Alex Ferguson was saying.

'He (Fergie) asked me to cut my hair. I did it, but in the next day I've passed around him many times and he didn't recognize me.

'Fergie is always complaining with Nani. Maybe because he always expected him to be the new Cristiano Ronaldo.'

And he added: 'One day I've passed the ball through Ryan Giggs' legs. And he told me: "Go on, go tell your mother you did this to Ryan Giggs".'

Remember, they didn't need Joao Ruela anymore because they had found the original article, yet the quotes in green (yes, that's all of them) are word for word the tweets that Joao put out. The only difference is that the Daily Mail have changed 'Alex Ferguson' to 'Fergie' just to make things sounds that little bit more disrespectful. In reality, Joao was only paraphrasing tiny bits of a lengthy article and Bebe referred to the Manchester United manager as Mr Ferguson.

Indeed, Bebe was complimentary about Manchester United and Ferguson throughout the interview. He praised players, staff and fans of the club, going as far as to say the Old Trafford crowd is better than those he saw in Turkey, which is some compliment. The story about Giggs was said whilst laughing and wasn't a dig, and the bit about Nani was preceded by an explanation that 'Mr Ferguson' isn't intimidating and will only criticise a player if he feels he can help them achieve more.

If the Daily Mail had asked Joao about his snippets, he'd have explained to them the context behind them. We did, and he told us it was all being taken out of context. To be clear, his exact words were "In Portugal, everybody is laughing because of the interview, it has many funny episodes, but in England they are turning it into a scandal."

But the Daily Mail wouldn't know that, because they were happy to run with their wrong end of the stick, pretend they didn't need Joao's help anymore and then take his quotes word for word without realising it was paraphrased and they'd missed the tone.

Bebe is now the subject of abuse from many fans all over Twitter, who feel he's disrespected their football club, when he's done quite the opposite. It's a shame because, as Joao also told us, Bebe has been a revelation at Rio Ave and this stuff won't help him.
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Daily Mail in behaving like cnuts shocker. TBH anyone who reads and believes that piece of shit is a dipshit who's views are irrelevant anyway.
 
Daily Mail in behaving like cnuts shocker. TBH anyone who reads and believes that piece of shit is a dipshit who's views are irrelevant anyway.

It's utterly insane how their journo's are stealing a living from braindead feck wits who read it..
 
It's not bad interview at all. It's not professional as you would get from the likes of Carrick or Giggs maybe, but it's honest, and all in good manner.

Question: Is he a manager that intimidates players?

Bébé: No. Nothing. When he yells at players it's just to help, because he feels they can give more.
Question: What went wrong at Manchester? Did you think about that?

Bébé: The most experienced players said that i didn't train well. It's true. I thought: "Im here, I earn well, I don't have to make an effort everyday". It was all my fault. I joked too much. When I tried to go the right way, it was too late. If I could go back, I would changed a lot of things in my behaviour. I was always fooling around at United and everyone else took things very seriously. They complained with me and were upset with me, rightfully.

Bold part explains it all.

At least he admit he was the main problem, rather than saying club threated him differently to other player or something like that.
 
Daily Mail in behaving like cnuts shocker. TBH anyone who reads and believes that piece of shit is a dipshit who's views are irrelevant anyway.

The other day they statistically proved Danny Welbeck was a terrible player by comparing his goalscorering return to about twenty players. Every other player on the list was a centre-forward, whereas Danny has played nearly the entire season on the wing.
 
Nothing wrong with that interview. Do people going on about his confessed laziness when first joining United not realise it was what, thre years ago? Why are people saying 'he's written his P45' for revealing when he first made this huge step, he was complacent?

I love reading non-robotic footballer interviews, and I'd imagine that a lot more players will be writing their P45 if they did the same. Seemed genuine, and what I got was that he took a while to get going, but is now hungry and determined. His sense of humour is a bit naive perhaps, but that is only considering the bloodsucking nature of the press. I doubt anyone at United will be too concerned with what he's said.
 
The other day they statistically proved Danny Welbeck was a terrible player by comparing his goalscorering return to about twenty players. Every other player on the list was a centre-forward, whereas Danny has played nearly the entire season on the wing.

To be honest, Welbeck has a terrible statitical contribution for a winger too. Much was made of Downing' 0/0 stat for example.
 
The other day they statistically proved Danny Welbeck was a terrible player by comparing his goalscorering return to about twenty players. Every other player on the list was a centre-forward, whereas Danny has played nearly the entire season on the wing.

Danny's stats are terrible even for a winger.
 
Danny's stats are terrible even for a winger.

They are right in line for a winger in our team, given that all our wingers are reasonably talented people who are having very unproductive seasons, we have to consider whether there is another reason beyond 'they are terrible' for why their productivity has been so low.

In fact the only players with more assists than Welbeck are Evra, Rooney and RvP, and a lot of them are from set pieces.
 
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Bebe is now the subject of abuse from many fans all over Twitter, who feel he's disrespected their football club, when he's done quite the opposite. It's a shame because, as Joao also told us, Bebe has been a revelation at Rio Ave and this stuff won't help him.
Daily Mail ballsup again I see.

Be nice if twitterers used some common and bombarded the Mail for once.
 
Bebe's turning into a bit of a cult hero. We really should recall him and play him for the last 4 prem games for the crack. Anything he does well will just get cheered to the high heavens by our fans.
 
Would be unfair on Arsenal and Chelsea, tbf. Unleashing the force of Bebe on them, when we didn't do the same versus Spurs.
 
I like your way of thinking. Bebe would really be the shape of our team.
 
What has seen cannot be unseen.

The. Final. Straw.
 
That looks like something a dodgy mate would do to you when passed out, not a haircut that you pick out yourself :lol: