Bebe | 2010/11 Performances
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I think this provides a decent balanced view of Bebe and the situation we face with him in light of yesterday:
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Bebe showed us that he has the talent... But..... He also showed us that he needs to work much harder to be in United squad.... He needs to work harder in passing area especailly
His final ball was very frustrating, other than that I thought he did fairly well. Lets remember it was only a year or so ago that most people thought Nani had a poor final ball.
The lad is still young & still has a lot of adjusting to do to get used to the English game.
He got himself into great positions yesterday in order to get those crosses in thats what we should be looking at, yes the end product was poor but its not as if it can't be worked on & i'm sure it well.
Once he gets that aspect of his game sorted out he has the makings of a very good player. He allready has an abundance of pace & power two handy attributes to have as a winger in the Premier League.
He got himself into great positions yesterday in order to get those crosses in thats what we should be looking at, yes the end product was poor but its not as if it can't be worked on & i'm sure it well.
Once he gets that aspect of his game sorted out he has the makings of a very good player. He allready has an abundance of pace & power two handy attributes to have as a winger in the Premier League.
Actually, let's get this into perspective.
The lad was plucked from relative obscurity to come to Old Trafford and barely inside 7 weeks is playing in the first team. He's already scored twice - Carling cup and European Goal and looked promising.
He played in midweeka and has yet to get used to playing twice a week and flight from Turkey. There is a world of difference between playing against indifferent opposition in a game that your team is already controlling (Bursaspoor) and Premiership opposition. Let's face it - the pace of the Premiership shocked Vidic & Evra in their first season!!!
People are talking about his bad crossing and writing him off. Let's look at the other good points. People say his pace & power is good, but actually there is a lot more. His positioning is excellent. He has good quick feet. He has excellent first touch for a big man. He is aware of other players on the pitch. He is a team player. He is a maverick - that is - he can do impossible things - take the goal he scored for Portugal Under 21s in training where he was applauded by all. He has scored in most of his debut performances which tells you something about his pedigree.
The most important thing for me:-
Speak to everyone that knows him and even United players and they say that what most impresses them is his finishing ability. So he has all of this and his finishing is excellent. That means he's not even a winger. Yes his crossing yesterday could have been better, but I'm convinced he's playing out of position and that he'll end up as a centre forward.
The lad was plucked from relative obscurity to come to Old Trafford and barely inside 7 weeks is playing in the first team. He's already scored twice - Carling cup and European Goal and looked promising.
He played in midweeka and has yet to get used to playing twice a week and flight from Turkey. There is a world of difference between playing against indifferent opposition in a game that your team is already controlling (Bursaspoor) and Premiership opposition. Let's face it - the pace of the Premiership shocked Vidic & Evra in their first season!!!
People are talking about his bad crossing and writing him off. Let's look at the other good points. People say his pace & power is good, but actually there is a lot more. His positioning is excellent. He has good quick feet. He has excellent first touch for a big man. He is aware of other players on the pitch. He is a team player. He is a maverick - that is - he can do impossible things - take the goal he scored for Portugal Under 21s in training where he was applauded by all. He has scored in most of his debut performances which tells you something about his pedigree.
The most important thing for me:-
Speak to everyone that knows him and even United players and they say that what most impresses them is his finishing ability. So he has all of this and his finishing is excellent. That means he's not even a winger. Yes his crossing yesterday could have been better, but I'm convinced he's playing out of position and that he'll end up as a centre forward.
Ive watched the games he has played in and watching that video makes me think that his first touch isnt actually that good, dont know why people think its excellent.
Let's just admit it, he belongs to the lower league divison.
What's interesting was seeing Rafael translate to Babe -- meaning his English is pretty good and his body language -- looked like a coach in the making!
There's no sugar coating it, it really was the worst performance I have seen from a United player, atleast in the last decade. He has a terrible touch on the ball, its allmost as if he is too nervous when he's on the ball. His passing was terrible and the less said about his crosses the better.
Why Fergie would put play him ahead of more promising talents from our youth baffles me. He may have potential .. his finishing seems decent enough and he does have pace when he's running with the ball, but he sure needs more time on the training ground and possibly a loan move elsewhere, don't think he should get anywhere near the playing 11 until he can hone his skills.
Why Fergie would put play him ahead of more promising talents from our youth baffles me. He may have potential .. his finishing seems decent enough and he does have pace when he's running with the ball, but he sure needs more time on the training ground and possibly a loan move elsewhere, don't think he should get anywhere near the playing 11 until he can hone his skills.
Wasn't that Fabio? Anyway, yeah that was good. Make him the gaffer once Fergie leaves, Mourinho's overrated anyway.
It might work, if one gets a touch line ban and we switch em, no one's going to know.IMO till now I still blame Fabio, instructions were probably given to him as "put the ball in the middle" and Fabio went "ROCKET feckING ROCKET!"
I actually don't remember that one
The cross at 1:50 is just wow. The boy has the physical bits ticked but he sure does lack basic ball skills. In other words his technique is very poor but he does at times get away with it because of his pace and power. Wolves anticipated who would be lining up for us on that wing and hence they left Fat Elokobi on the bench.
I have seen centre forwards ping better crosses from the flanks than him
One thing I don't understand is all the comments on here about how he's a striker not a winger. A few wild crosses doesn't suddenly mean he can't play on the wing, just like a young striker who spoons over at all his chances on his debut (a la Diego Forlan) can never play up front.
The pass he played to Berbatov against bursaspor (as well as some quality deliveries when he played for our reserves) are all the evidence we need to know that his problem was getting anxious and trying to hit the ball too hard, rather than some fundamental, permanent flaw in his technique.
The pass he played to Berbatov against bursaspor (as well as some quality deliveries when he played for our reserves) are all the evidence we need to know that his problem was getting anxious and trying to hit the ball too hard, rather than some fundamental, permanent flaw in his technique.
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Strange comments on here, that video shows that aside from a poor day of crossing he actually did alright. Comments about how he belongs in the lower leagues and "worst performance from a United player in the last decade" are so wide of the mark it's embarrassing.
At the moment he's a bit shit, but its a bit like watching Nani in the sense you could so vividly see the potential. Its all there but its going to be hard work to extract it. All he really needs to do is work on his shooting and balls skills, then its just refining. I don't think he gets the time on the ball that he'd like but he'll get there.
Did you actually watch the game? I'm all for giving young players a chance, and he might be able to step up to the quality that befits a United player in a year or two, but he isn't ready for a playing eleven role at the moment. Surely, there can be no doubt about this after the last game. Anyone who actually saw the entire game wouldn't disagree.
Did you actually read his post?
Where did he say he was ready to start games for us?
Where did he say he was ready to start games for us?
As Pogue said, did you actually read my post or just come to some bizarre conclusion in your own head?
So we play badly against Wolves and the Caf goes against a 20 year old player who just joined the club and played in the 2nd division before? Only here...
funny that in the last weeks CL game, ppl were giving him some praise and acknowledged his talent...
Most of you would probably had sold Fletch, Ronaldo or Nani 3 years ago because they were shit, right?
funny that in the last weeks CL game, ppl were giving him some praise and acknowledged his talent...
Most of you would probably had sold Fletch, Ronaldo or Nani 3 years ago because they were shit, right?
he had a poor game, his crossing in particular was woeful.
however it wasn't all bad, he made a good run first half to get his chance, very similar to the run he made agaisnt bursa and he did get himself into the position to make those (terrible) crosses and he showed his awesome pace to good effect on a couple of occasions (only to launch the ball into the crowd)
basically its 'as you were' from bebe. he's got some good tools but needs lots of work in bringing them into fruition. he'll get at least 2 seasons here imo so silly to right him off just yet
however it wasn't all bad, he made a good run first half to get his chance, very similar to the run he made agaisnt bursa and he did get himself into the position to make those (terrible) crosses and he showed his awesome pace to good effect on a couple of occasions (only to launch the ball into the crowd)
basically its 'as you were' from bebe. he's got some good tools but needs lots of work in bringing them into fruition. he'll get at least 2 seasons here imo so silly to right him off just yet
He worked hard to get himself into so many crossing positions in the 1st place showed he had pace & power but unfortunatley over hit the crosses & that could have been down to a number of factors but lets ignore the positive things & focus on the negative things, something that can actually be worked on quite easily especially at a club like Man Utd & write him off allready. Amazing how things change in a few days.
I never did imply that you said anything about him being ready to start. I was just making the point that he isn't. To call his performance one of the worst ever might be hyperbole, but it was pretty shambolic. Those over hit balls nly show that he needs more time in training.
My point remains, and I'm sure we all agree that we should stick him in the reserves and let him build some confidence and give our coaches a chance to work at his potential - because its definitely there.
He actually looks uncomfortable dribbling, look how loose the ball is, I'm out right now but at one point he changes what he intended to do because he couldn't control the ball.
From that evidence his technique looks really horrible, but so us Theo Walcott's and he's doing quite well at the moment.
Aslong as Bebe has pace he can be useful to our team
From that evidence his technique looks really horrible, but so us Theo Walcott's and he's doing quite well at the moment.
Aslong as Bebe has pace he can be useful to our team
A lot of that could be down to nerves Boss, controlling a ball, dribbling and being a cocky fecker in the Portuguese lower league is one thing, doing it for Man United in front of 75,000 is another. I just don't understand why we have to over-analyse this kid already, let him bed in a while first.
Fair enough, I've seen Obertan do similar things aswell but we have to analyse what's infront of us
We do, but I just don't think we should "over-do" it.
Obviously a lot of this has to do with the transfer fee but sometimes you have to take a gamble, I'm sure SAF still regrets not doing it with Pato. Personally I'll start judging Bebe next season after his first full year with a real club.
I think what people have to bare in mind is the circumstances of when he came in to the game on Saturday, with Hargreaves getting injured after 4 minutes and Bebe having to come on after 9 or so, he would have had no time to prepare mentally. If he had been playing from the start and known he was going to start in due time then it would have been different but to be drafted in unexpectedly after 5-10 mins when you know you weren't picked to start would have added to his anxiety - especially after a few hairy moments to begin with.
From what I've seen of him, he does seem to have the physical attributes and pace to become a good player. As others have said, not sure about his technique etc but we'll have to see and no-one has seen him enough yet to judge.
From what I've seen of him, he does seem to have the physical attributes and pace to become a good player. As others have said, not sure about his technique etc but we'll have to see and no-one has seen him enough yet to judge.
Bebe's crosses had me and my lad in stitches at the match -
I thought he'd been on the spread betting........
I have faith in the lad.....
I thought he'd been on the spread betting........
I have faith in the lad.....
There are footballing abilities that comes naturally to a player. I don't know how someone can feck up crosses like that.
A 20 year old me could deliver way better crosses than that.
A 20 year old me could deliver way better crosses than that.
perhaps intimidated and nervous playing in front of 75,000 people for the first time?
i remember the hernandez shot which nearly went out for a throw in - doesnt make him a bad player
give the lad a chance
Some of the comments are ridiculous, it's as if we constantly, never learn anything.
How about we give the boy some time first? It's one of the things that gets me about Redcafe, why we as a forum are so reactive to each performance, as if that one is the only one worth judging. The game before, many of us were talking about his crossing being one of his better aspects.
Aside from that, he's 20, and he's going to have very poor games, it's not hard to accept, but it doesn't mean he won't amount to anything because of it. Patience and time....It usually makes a mockery of this forum.
How about we give the boy some time first? It's one of the things that gets me about Redcafe, why we as a forum are so reactive to each performance, as if that one is the only one worth judging. The game before, many of us were talking about his crossing being one of his better aspects.
Aside from that, he's 20, and he's going to have very poor games, it's not hard to accept, but it doesn't mean he won't amount to anything because of it. Patience and time....It usually makes a mockery of this forum.
Thats right yeah!
It wasn't that long ago that Nani's end product wasn't up to scratch either in fairness & look at him now.
I doubt the way he was over hitting those crosses was down to a lack of footballing ability but more of a mental thing, he has come a long way from his days in the lower tiers of Portuguese league to where he is now in a short period of time. He'll need time to learn the ropes so lets give it to him.
Bebe could quite possibly come out in the his next game & start whipping in crosses like theres no tomorrow for us. Fergie probably has the lad working on crosses as we speak.
He scored for us last week too in an away game in the Champions League lets not forget that.
Give him a chance. It's still early days
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