You're being a bit hysterical.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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You're being a bit hysterical.
PSG has confirmed that blanc will continue next season. Mourinho said he wants to manage in England and not in some league with 2-3 good matches a season. Di marzio and Portuguese press reckon we have a deal, same with James ducker. Mourinho himself said there is lots of time left when asked about his next job. It doesn't take a psychic to read into this.
Don't want to cause panic or anything but I just on to the Bola website and looked for this article and cannot find it. Maybe I missed it? but I went as far back as the 11th of May and didn't see anything about Mourinho coming here
What did you have to go looking for?
Forget zlatan. Drinkwater wont want to play as winger with this team. God knows where lvg would play him
Its ok, you're not missing much.
if Mourinho goes to PSG...I think we will see a meltdown that has never been seen before.
Thats better
This season and Moyes year are a close call of shitness.
I would call this season much much worse. Moyes had one year, LVG has had 2. Moyes only signed Fellaini (and Varela?), instead of a £250m LVG splurge. I never expected anything from Moyes, but LVG came with a much bigger reputation.
Nothing to see here. Just ramping up the speculation ahead of was are potentially LVG's last two games (same with DDG story about it being him or LVG).
No indication that PSG are about to sack Blanc and Mourinho's got nothing to gain by rushing us by a week.
The problem with modern football is that loads of pseudo-tacticians talk of meta-shifts in terms of how a striker is supposed to play, and use buzzwords like playing across the front three and whatnot, even though the basic plan hasn't seen a transitional shift (unless one is talking about pure target strikers). There is no expectation to play across the front three. Most top teams still have strikers who engage the central defenders, and the positional interchange isn't as everpresent as it's portrayed to be.
This is a standard Lewandowski heat-map at Bayern, and he plays essentially the typical #9 role. He drifts at times, and comes deeper - centrally; but doesn't have positional interchanges with Costa or Coman or Robben:
This is Agüero's heat map at City. Again, drifts a bit, but his standard action zone is in central forward areas:
This is a typical Suárez heat map. Again, central action, leading the lines, extending the defense, and creating pockets for Messi and Neymar.
Karim Benzema at Madrid - acting the foil to Ronaldo:
Van Persie at United:
All of them are predominantly active in central and deeper central zones, as has been the case for strikers and forwards for donkey years. There's no monumental shift in the way they play. Or Diego Costa at Chelsea, Mandžukić/ Morata at Juventus, etc.
And this is a sample Zlatan heat map:
Reading your over-emphasis on fluid front threes, one would imagine Ibrahimović's heat map to resemble Duncan Ferguson's - but he is much more than a striker. He recedes into deeper areas to link the play like a false 9, creates room for Cavani, leads the line, and much more. You'd have little to no trouble building a smooth attack with Ibrahimović.
And just to sample how he plays these days, here are bits of his match vs Real Madrid to highlight his movement:
And this is how he operated over the month of March last season:
Notice the deeper patterns where he links up with the midfielders, and creates room for Cavani.
I honestly don't understand what you mean by traditional strikers. If by traditional you mean strict targets, then the good news is Zlatan is not a target type.
Now we've sidetracked from semi-objective to subjective debate, and I honestly have no appetite for it in FF. You don't know Zlatan on a personal level, and how he acts with his team-mates, and neither do I. So these are uncertain terms.
Luckily United have money to spend? Rather 300k on a worthy risk, than that money in the bank - and no solution to our striker conundrum in sight.
The key thing is - Zlatan's reputation is current. And he's scored close to 50 goals this season at club level, and almost 1 per game for Sweden. No matter what way you spin in, the tag of him being a pure reputation based player can't be justified. Say what you will about Ligue 1, but a handful of the best player in the Premier League were plying their trade there just last season. And Zlatan's better than them, a physical beast (would dwarf a good deal of Premier League defenders), productive, immensely proud - which could rub off on our oft-shellshocked players, and experienced.
Excellent post.
Starting with me...
Blanc signed a contract extension earlier this year while the PSG Chairman said he's staying after PSG had won the French Cup. Daily Mail are not accurate with those facts in mind.
Mourinho confirms he has no agreement with any club :
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...has-not-reached-a-deal-with-any-a7033391.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...has-not-reached-a-deal-with-any-a7033391.html
The speculation for the next 7 days is going to be unbearable.
It's going to be awful to deal with. I usually get sucked it quite easily out of boredom.
Nah it's all fun. Besides there's nowt we can do...so enjoy it. More exciting than the last few years to be fair.
Call me a misery guts but Ive had enough of this sort of fun, I cannot wait for this whole bloody business to be sorted so we can stop speculating about it.
Someone else said earlier they are looking forward to the moment after the FA Cup when Van Gaal gets the sack more than they are looking forward to the FA Cup itself. Im embarrassed to admit it but I completely agree. I can understand why the club has acted the way it has, and I am confident this is going to get settled in a satisfactory way. But Im done waiting for it now. Im done reading post after post ranting about why it hasnt happened yet, or why it probably wont happen, or what they will do if Van Gaal stays. I know I should just stay away but I cant, Im drawn in like a moth to a flame.
Once Mourinho is named we have the excitement of thinking about his rebuild, who he'll sign, what formation we'll play, what he'll do about Rooney and the rest of it. Im looking forward to that. But I cant bear the nagging 5% uncertainty in the back of my mind that Woodward is actually an idiot of unprecedented proportions, a fear that is being fanned by the amount of flapping going on about it in here.
Someone else said earlier they are looking forward to the moment after the FA Cup when Van Gaal gets the sack more than they are looking forward to the FA Cup itself. Im embarrassed to admit it but I completely agree. I can understand why the club has acted the way it has, and I am confident this is going to get settled in a satisfactory way. But Im done waiting for it now. Im done reading post after post ranting about why it hasnt happened yet, or why it probably wont happen, or what they will do if Van Gaal stays. I know I should just stay away but I cant, Im drawn in like a moth to a flame.
Once Mourinho is named we have the excitement of thinking about his rebuild, who he'll sign, what formation we'll play, what he'll do about Rooney and the rest of it. Im looking forward to that. But I cant bear the nagging 5% uncertainty in the back of my mind that Woodward is actually an idiot of unprecedented proportions, a fear that is being fanned by the amount of flapping going on about it in here.
No way. If I had a choice between this season and Moyes' it will clearly be this season. Moyes season we were humiliated by everyone other than Arsenal. We didn't score a goal vs Everton and Liverpool. We lost heavily to city. At least this season we have good results against them
Not sure how you can say that. Do look up how his spells at Bayern and Barca (ver 2.0) ended. He had success with AZ for a season and did well with the national team in his final stint with it, but he's had a fairly chequered record. As fans, we chose to dwell on how he spun things - choosing to believe that he set up Barca and Bayern for domination - but there has always been a vocal majority of Bayern and Barca fans who said he was shite. We chose to ignore that (I too, I shall admit). Jose - has had this season with Chelsea where he's struggled, but prior to that, he's never endured anything remotely like this. Even at Real and Chelsea 1.0, he left the clubs only just short of their goals. With Real, he managed to outlast (comfortably) the average lifespan of a manager and even at Chelsea, he won buckets and then was falling just short of one of Fergie's last truly great teams. Hardly the worst thing to be at the receiving end of?
True. In Moyes season we were evidently crap. Before any big match, everyone knew we had no chance. Under LvG there is a little hope that our team wouldn't be beaten too easily.
I reckon that would be an interesting thread / poll. Which season has been worse, this one or the Moyes season? I think we need to wait until its over though, what happens with the FA Cup will be a deciding factor for a lot of people.
I reckon he might announce his retirement tonight on the pitch after the game...spin it as his decision, rather than him getting the boot...
He'll say good bye to to the fans, say he's leaving after the final, and it will be his parting gift to us, for the support we gave him...
Even if we lose the final I wouldn't choose moyes. Most of our big games that season (even a few small ones) was like mismatches. I remember the city home game where they scored in 43 seconds and it wasn't even with their first shot on goal. The Liverpool game where we conceded penalties and chances for fun
Hasn't PSG already sort of confirmed through their Chairman's statement that Blanc is gonna stay for next season. Why are some losing their shit over PSG rumors, when it was earlier started by SSN and were denied by nearly all PSG journalists? What has changed in the last week for them to suddenly change their minds over Blanc?
For me the Moyes season was worse, regardless of what happens in the cup. But I think for a lot of people winning it would salvage something out of what has been an undoubtedly miserable season, and give this season the edge. Conversely, losing it would be anticlimactic enough to make this season worse for some people, if there wasnt much in it.
It seems likely that we have some sort of agreement with Mourinho but....
I'm suddenly very conscious of what happened in our attempt to sign Lucas Moura a few years ago. The club thought they had it sealed only to be gazumped by PSG at the last minute. Add in all the other players we were apparently interested in only to lose out...
Nothing is certain until we have Mourinho signed up, even if there is a verbal agreement at the minute. The sooner this gets done the better for everyone.
I'm suddenly very conscious of what happened in our attempt to sign Lucas Moura a few years ago. The club thought they had it sealed only to be gazumped by PSG at the last minute. Add in all the other players we were apparently interested in only to lose out...
Nothing is certain until we have Mourinho signed up, even if there is a verbal agreement at the minute. The sooner this gets done the better for everyone.
Moyes was a man who didn't have a clue. LVG is a man who's inventing his own clues and adamant that would solve the case. Both are just not cut out for the job.
Mourinho has stated quite clearly that he has no agreement in place with any club.
So? People lie a lot in football.
He's lying. If he says he's got an agreement then he is basically confirming that he's going to United. Look at his grin when he gets in the car ffs
He's like a Cheshire Cat (Yes, literally Cheshire where he'll live!)So... safe to say Woodward's dithering this shit? Unless Jose was being cagey by insinuating that no contract has been signed yet.
Have you watched the video? He makes the loomnatty sign when he laughs.
So if he'd said he had an agreement with Utd he would have been lying in that instance as well?
Something to do with loos and bombs?What is that?
Ah, that old old press chestnut, "Excuse me, have you signed a massive contract deal, that you can't talk about, that you'd like to talk about?"
Well he might be but that would be a pretty stupid lie that's easy to disprove so I'd doubt it.
I've upped my vitamin D dose and I'm feeling more logical and calm. No fear, Jose is coming.
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