BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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Attila said:
A manager worked his players hard to win a title is a bad thing? Costa even said he came back overweight from his holiday and that they players thought it would be easy to retain the title.
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GiddyUp said:
Player of the year, no league goals and it's mid April. They thought they were the cats pajamas and the world would kneel at their feet but the hard work is staying at the top not getting their.
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This is where Fergie showed his true genius and showed himself to be far superior to any of the modern day managers. He almost always had his squads hungry for success, year after year.
 
I've always thought that Chelsea enviably short injury list during this time there. So I can't imagine they train any harder than the top clubs.

As for the siege mentality thing, I can't imagine why it would drain the players. Doesn't he do that to give them more focus ... which isn't a bad thing at all for top-level athletes?
 
Mainoldo said:
Realistically the squad wasn't good enough for a title defence abit like us when Moyes took over. He got all he could out of that squad and when he wanted the correct reinforcements he wasn't backed. A striker, centre back, left back probably a winger.
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Maybe it wasnt good enough for title defense but they were more then good enough then where he left them before a sack,results after showing that.When it comes to reinforcements maybe he didnt got exact names but he bought BR as LB,think people before signing him rated him here,he got Pedro,CB deal was weird and no point getting striker when in reality if Costa gets injured,he would give that spot to anyone else then reserve strikers.

macheda14 said:
But then with that, what are you supposed to do as a manager, not run them into the ground and not win the title? They are professional athletes, a month off is enough to re-cooperate. I'm more inclined to believe that quite a few players in that team have a poor mentality (which you could fault Jose for), were complacent about how they walked the league and then could never recover from the shell shock of the first few games.
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He made a decision after they lost 5-3 to Tottehnam,after that even reserves couldnt get a sniff,let alone youth.Could he rotate a bit in first half of the season like in CC or in last CL game(already went trough i think)?Guess he could but for that he would need to show trust in those outside his first XI.

Well looking now,it seems it wasnt enough.You could say that at least 8 players dropped (if not even 9) in same time,i never seen anything like it.And yet he kept pushing those same eleven,they looked tired,out of form,broken.Some will jump and say "oh thats because he trusts them,showing loyalty for what they did in season before",wrong,he is scared or couldnt be bother to trust anyone else outside that small group of players. People loosing their shit with LvG and his RB/LB sub decision or including Afroman in 1st XI. They would melt here watching Ivanovic being picked week in week out,while being destroyed game in game out.

Attila said:
A manager worked his players hard to win a title is a bad thing? Costa even said he came back overweight from his holiday and that they players thought it would be easy to retain the title.
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I didnt say that,so i wouldnt say its a bad thing.What he did after on the other hand...lets say like this,i believe that if he showed trust in young guns at the start of this season,he would be still Chelsea manager. They won something a few days ago,there is no way that at the time they werent better option then Ivanovic,Matic and others looking like they were on 20%.
 
According to redissue the season ticket sales are lowest at this point than they have ever been.There are no new sales. Hence the date is pushed back to allow vangaal to take charge of f.a. cup final if he gets there and final league game. Then announce mourinho after that to bump the sales.
 
Maradona10 said:
According to redissue the season ticket sales are lowest at this point than they have ever been.There are no new sales. Hence the date is pushed back to allow vangaal to take charge of f.a. cup final if he gets there and final league game. Then announce mourinho after that to bump the sales.
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Shocked Red Issue would say that.
 
Rado_N said:
SAF employed a seige mentality more than anyone and it never did his sides any harm.
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Fergie was also close to a lot of players. He knew how to strike a balance between friendly and aggressive, between understanding and demanding. Mourinho can do this too, and I think he found a great balance in that first Chelsea team, which is probably why so many players were upset to see him go.

This time round perhaps he misjudged the character of too many players, which would explain why so many just didn't turn up for him. Or perhaps he became too hard on them without giving them the occasional pat on the back.

All just a theory, of course.
 
Adisa said:
The problem is SAF never descended to the levels Mourinho does to create that mentality. In the end it becomes counterproductive.
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What levels exactly? I love Fergie as much as the next person but, the man is/was no angel.

This is the same man, who went on live TV and called a respected ex footballer and English legend a prat, after he called us thugs.

The same man who, went ballistic over Sparky getting a red for kicking someone in the testicles, saying he done nowt wrong.

The same man who accused Blackburn of being a bunch of cowardly bottlers on live tv

The same man who said Leeds were only playing well against United, cheating their manager and that Howard Wilkinson wasn't getting the best out of the Leeds players.

The same guy who told Wenger to piss off back to Japan.

Fergie stooped to anything to win. And damn well he should. You don't win trophies with a club full of Juan Matas.

Mourinho poked a man in the eye. Big deal. Fergie was never any sort of angel. And still isn't. If it came to it, Fergie would hang anyone out to dry to get his hands on a league title. Fact! And I have no problem with it

I was forced from a very young age to follow this club.... My father has been following it since the mid 50s.... If I wanted to follow a shallow, "but the net spend and home grown products" club, who count for nowt, I'd follow Arsenal.

Manchester United has an obligation to be entertaining, to make the fans dream and to challenge for the top honours..... Will Mourinho fix everything? Nope!
Will he help? Too fecking right he will
 
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Apparently the issue of a new contract for Carrick has been put on the back burner "until the management situation has been resolved". That has a kind of logic to it and to me is more circumstantial evidence pointing to a change in management at the end of this season.
 
Rednotdead said:
Apparently the issue of a new contract for Carrick has been put on the back burner "until the management situation has been resolved". That has a kind of logic to it and to me is more circumstantial evidence pointing to a change in management at the end of this season.
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Few reports (not Red Issue) that he and LvG had a massive row at full time at WHL the other week. Carrick apparently stepped in to defend Rashford.
 
macheda14 said:
But then with that, what are you supposed to do as a manager, not run them into the ground and not win the title? They are professional athletes, a month off is enough to re-cooperate. I'm more inclined to believe that quite a few players in that team have a poor mentality (which you could fault Jose for), were complacent about how they walked the league and then could never recover from the shell shock of the first few games.
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I think the complacency argument could be close to the truth. City have always had that problem, win a league, then can't defend it. Once complacency sets in with players it is hard to snap them out of it.
 
.Rossi said:
Few reports (not Red Issue) that he and LvG had a massive row at full time at WHL the other week. Carrick apparently stepped in to defend Rashford.
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I remember the reports of that but as far as I can recall it was "a couple of senior players" which of course would include Carrick.

It's going to be interesting reading what comes out when Van Gaal does go!
 
Rednotdead said:
I remember the reports of that but as far as I can recall it was "a couple of senior players" which of course would include Carrick.

It's going to be interesting reading what comes out when Van Gaal does go!
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This would be a major reason for keeping Carrick on with us next season.
 
If Carrick has had anything to do with the leaks and dressing room disunity he can feck off.

I'm convinced he was one of the ringleaders of discontent during the Moyes era along with Rio, Vidic and other players in decline.

As much as I dislike both managers, there's something really shitty about an over the hill player power grabbing by turning the rest of the team against them.

All speculation of course, but if true it's the last thing we need under yet another new manager, especially if its Mourinho.
 
sugar_kane said:
If Carrick has had anything to do with the leaks and dressing room disunity he can feck off.

I'm convinced he was one of the ringleaders of discontent during the Moyes era along with Rio, Vidic and other players in decline.

As much as I dislike both managers, there's something really shitty about an over the hill player power grabbing by turning the rest of the team against them.

All speculation of course, but if true it's the last thing we need under yet another new manager, especially if its Mourinho.
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Agreed.
 
Rednotdead said:
Apparently the issue of a new contract for Carrick has been put on the back burner "until the management situation has been resolved". That has a kind of logic to it and to me is more circumstantial evidence pointing to a change in management at the end of this season.
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This could be true, i read it was Mata and carrick both who defended him and argued against Van gaal about his tactics.
.Rossi said:
Few reports (not Red Issue) that he and LvG had a massive row at full time at WHL the other week. Carrick apparently stepped in to defend Rashford.
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sugar_kane said:
If Carrick has had anything to do with the leaks and dressing room disunity he can feck off.

I'm convinced he was one of the ringleaders of discontent during the Moyes era along with Rio, Vidic and other players in decline.

As much as I dislike both managers, there's something really shitty about an over the hill player power grabbing by turning the rest of the team against them.

All speculation of course, but if true it's the last thing we need under yet another new manager, especially if its Mourinho.
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We need new "leaders" in the dressing room now. Our established players who have been around for awhile are Rooney and Carrick and neither are good enough to be automatic starters anymore and are well past their best. That could make the job of someone like Jose harder, because he has to somehow pick his best team which obviously doesn't always include the two of our longest serving current players.
 
On the other hand, to be fair, if the reports are true, why the feck was LVG having a right go at Rashford?
 
Young players need a bollocking now and then, as well as praise, and I bet Fergie (and many other successful managers) did the exact same plenty of times to similarly aged players.

If someone had spoken up and undermined him in that situation they would have got slapped down and rightly so.
 
Carrick being the ringleader of discontent? That's difficult to imagine tbh. Carrick of all ppl haha.
 
Globule said:
Fergie was also close to a lot of players. He knew how to strike a balance between friendly and aggressive, between understanding and demanding. Mourinho can do this too, and I think he found a great balance in that first Chelsea team, which is probably why so many players were upset to see him go.

This time round perhaps he misjudged the character of too many players, which would explain why so many just didn't turn up for him. Or perhaps he became too hard on them without giving them the occasional pat on the back.

All just a theory, of course.
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Exactly.. And he wasn't allowed to sign the players he wanted. He would see the deficiency of mentality in the team but wasn't allowed to fix it. You need to be mentally resilient to win back to back titles, something SAF always looked for in players.
 
sugar_kane said:
If Carrick has had anything to do with the leaks and dressing room disunity he can feck off.

I'm convinced he was one of the ringleaders of discontent during the Moyes era along with Rio, Vidic and other players in decline.

As much as I dislike both managers, there's something really shitty about an over the hill player power grabbing by turning the rest of the team against them.

All speculation of course, but if true it's the last thing we need under yet another new manager, especially if its Mourinho.
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If Carrick has anything to do with ISIS he should have all his medals stripped.
 
sugar_kane said:
If Carrick has had anything to do with the leaks and dressing room disunity he can feck off.

I'm convinced he was one of the ringleaders of discontent during the Moyes era along with Rio, Vidic and other players in decline.

As much as I dislike both managers, there's something really shitty about an over the hill player power grabbing by turning the rest of the team against them.

All speculation of course, but if true it's the last thing we need under yet another new manager, especially if its Mourinho.
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Why would we want him to "feck off" if he's rightly standing up for younger players? And if he was part of ringleaders against Moyes whats the problem? Moyes was a pile of turd for us and the players were rightly having none of it.
 
Rednotdead said:
For doing a Rooney and wandering out to the wings etc. He wants him to play in the width of the goal so he's always there when a chance arises.
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Which is fair, but he is just 18. He should try having a go at 30 year old Rooney for doing a Rooney whilst being 30 and being Rooney.
 
VP89 said:
Why would we want him to "feck off" if he's rightly standing up for younger players? And if he was part of ringleaders against Moyes whats the problem? Moyes was a pile of turd for us and the players were rightly having none of it.
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players are there to obey the manager not to cause coup d'etat. The more time passes the more it become obvious that United need a DOF.
 
Rednotdead said:
For doing a Rooney and wandering out to the wings etc. He wants him to play in the width of the goal so he's always there when a chance arises.
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That's a terrible way of organizing a modern attack, paticularly when your lone striker isn't a target man.
 
VP89 said:
Why would we want him to "feck off" if he's rightly standing up for younger players? And if he was part of ringleaders against Moyes whats the problem? Moyes was a pile of turd for us and the players were rightly having none of it.
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Because excessive player power is incredibly toxic?
 
JPRouve said:
That's a terrible way of organizing a modern attack, paticularly when your lone striker isn't a target man.
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Not necessarily. A striker needs to be in place ready to take any chance that comes along. Rooney's problem, when playing as lone striker, is that he's sometimes running around in midfield when the possibility of a chance arises.
 
devilish said:
players are there to obey the manager not to cause coup d'etat. The more time passes the more it become obvious that United need a DOF.
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You're working in extremes. Either they obey without question at all times, or they cause coup d'etat? Or, they speak up in an open dressing room when required. Its not like Carrick is single handedly organising a mutiny.

Hammerfell said:
Because excessive player power is incredibly toxic?
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How is sticking up for an 18 year old incredibly toxic?
 
Rednotdead said:
Not necessarily. A striker needs to be in place ready to take any chance that comes along. Rooney's problem, when playing as lone striker, is that he's sometimes running around in midfield when the possibility of a chance arises.
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It's a terrible idea, there is no "not necessarily". That forces your team to attack with one less player, it's easier for the defenders who knows that the striker will only be in a very restricted area, it's terrible for the teammates who can only play the ball in a restricted area. It's a restrictive and frankly stupid instruction.
It's even more stupid to be harsh on Rashford when LVG could just allow Martial and Rashford to permute which could allow us to put doubts into the defense and still occupy the middle. This type of instructions demonstrate how Van gaal restricts the players creativity.
 
VP89 said:
Why would we want him to "feck off" if he's rightly standing up for younger players? And if he was part of ringleaders against Moyes whats the problem? Moyes was a pile of turd for us and the players were rightly having none of it.
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How the feck you mean why? You want us to be Chelsea MkII? Where players have that much power,so they could switch turn on/off like button. feck everything if players gets in position where they can 100% be sure to have power to sack any manager they dont like.You think players have clubs best interest when they start turning on managers?

Regarding Moyes,he might be pile of turd and clueless but one thing is to look confused (Vidic and Rio) when he shows you clip of fecking Jagielka and another to moan about freaking chips. Maybe i am way to hooked into Fergie way but i believe that manager must be a top dog,know its not like that in reality at the moment but players should know that some of them will hit exit door before manager if things come to that,otherwise whats the point,having Terry and co scenario where they can just do whatever they want like in AVB case.
 
VP89 said:
How is sticking up for an 18 year old incredibly toxic?
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Why he didnt stick up for him on the pitch vs City? Oh and i really would like to see him sticking up for Rashford if Fergie was there instead of LvG.
 
What in the feck are you all banging on about?

Some rumour that Carrick stood up for Rashford has now become Carrick turning the squad against the manager and turning us into Chelsea and he needs to leave.

You're all insane.
 
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