BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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Irrational. said:
The Beeb have just released an article rehashing the same shit we already know, if that makes any difference.
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Most interesting part from that article:
It is understood the United players would welcome assistant manager Ryan Giggs' appointment ahead of Mourinho despite the Welshman's lack of experience.
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Zoo said:
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I bet the United players would:rolleyes: So they can continue to be slackers. I hope nobody is listening to Mata - oh I mean the players:)
 
Irrational. said:
The Beeb have just released an article rehashing the same shit we already know, if that makes any difference.
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Former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has told friends and associates he has a verbal agreement to take over at United in the summer and has stated publicly that is when he intends to make his management return.

But there is no signed contract, nor has Woodward indicated when there is likely to be one.
 
Zoo said:
Most interesting part from that article:

"It is understood the United players would welcome assistant manager Ryan Giggs' appointment ahead of Mourinho despite the Welshman's lack of experience."
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I would not be surprised if the likes of Mata, Rooney, Jones, Carrick, Young etc would prefer Giggs as Mourinho has no history with them and will just sell them if he doesn't think they are good enough
 
If he stays I will honestly join some kind of riot or something. The rage would take over my life.
 
MoskvaRed said:


  1. "His mate" is the key point. Fergie's personal feelings seem to outweigh his judgement in this respect, like when he recommended McCleish to Lerner.
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I reckon the British thing was the big selling point to the board though, that and the fact he was at Everton for 12 years. Because as we all know we absolutely needed a manager who would never want to leave. The fact he wasn't actually that good seemed a secondary consideration.
 
Moyes was pretty much universally considered to be pretty good at what he was doing.. and there was some hope he'd take the step up. But as soon as he started the "rabbit in your headlight" act in pressers etc it was painfully obvious he wouldn't and already time to get rid. The (honorable) mistake was keeping him so long and having to wait for LvG to finish with Holland before arriving here to set off on the summer tour..
 
Owngoalscorer said:
Moyes was pretty much universally considered to be pretty good at what he was doing.. and there was some hope he'd take the step up. But as soon as he started the "rabbit in your headlight" act in pressers etc it was painfully obvious he wouldn't and already time to get rid. The (honorable) mistake was keeping him so long and having to wait for LvG to finish with Holland before arriving here to set off on the summer tour..
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He was but what he was doing shouldn't have got him in contention for the United job.
 
stevoc said:
He was but what he was doing shouldn't have got him in contention for the United job.
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I don't disagree with you but there is some logic in the idea that if someone works well on a limited budget he can do miracles with a few quid more... and remember our favourite mall-proprietors hadn't been particularly good at flashing the cash over the years.. I personally was shocked by the choice but then like everyone, hoped for the best...
 
On the De Bruyne thing, I thought it was fairly common knowledge that he wasked to go and didnt want to be there. Mourinho had a set up and wouldn't change it immediately so he just sulked.

"It's worth clarifying a few issues. Mourinho was fully conscious of De Bruyne's outstanding quality so did not want to sell him, and told the board as much. But once the Chelsea hierarchy realised how much money they could get for a player who didn't want to be there, Mourinho was persuaded of the benefit of selling him and he eventually left for around £18 million, a little under three times what Chelsea paid for him back in 2012./"

It's a bit inaccurate just to say Mourinho let him go because he didn't rate him.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
Diego Simeone is the best manager in world football at the moment, no idea why Chelsea didn't go for him, but he is definitely the one we should be in for.
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Makes no sense for him to join Chelsea or us, it would be taking multiple steps down from a far superior team.
 
Zoo said:
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So things won't change then, they will have a laugh in training, have good nights out together. Pick up their wages but are happy to win sod all. Giggs will not be able to pull the players in we need either. It will be even worse if Liverpool did win the EL and got CL football.
 
DUNCAN CASTLES- Mourinho and the myth of Youth
When Jose Mourinho's critics reach for sticks to beat him with, they studiously avoid the manager's trophy cabinet. The standard complaints are that his football is too defensive; that his triumphs have been funded by excessive transfer spending; that he is a short-term coach who never remains long in a post; that he has zero interest in promoting players from a club's youth ranks.

These critiques persist regardless of clear evidence to the contrary. In some mystical manner, for example, Mourinho's alleged addiction to bus parking resulted in Real Madrid winning La Liga with a record points total, a record 121 goals scored, a record goal difference of 89, and a record number of 16 away wins in 19 fixtures.

Despite working for two of the most profligate clubs in world football – Roman Abramovich's early-era Chelsea and Florentino Perez's Madrid – the highest transfer fee a club has paid at his request is €38million. Moreover, bringing the English title back to Chelsea last year established Mourinho as the only manager to win the Premier League with a negative net spend on such fees.

As for length of tenure, leaving FC Porto after claiming back-to-back Portuguese Primeira Ligas, the UEFA Cup and the Champions League was essentially inevitable. Moving from Internazionale to Madrid after including another European Cup in an unprecedented Italian treble was also understandable. Twice Abramovich has terminated Mourinho's employment at Chelsea, yet his first stay at Stamford Bridge was just seven months shorter than Pep Guardiola's longest period in charge of a club. Though Guardiola exited Barcelona of his own volition, the Catalan is rarely criticized for supposed short-termism.

Manchester United’s inexperienced PLC board has floated all these critiques as reasons not to hire Mourinho to solve the club's manifest problems. This counter-factual debate all the more bizarre when current coach Louis van Gaal is on course to lead United's lowest scoring Premier League campaign, has spent far more on fees in two summers at Old Trafford than Sir Alex Ferguson did in 26, and claims to have promised his wife he will not continue in the job beyond 2017 whatever happens.

Some on United's board have also bought the line that Mourinho has no interest in developing the careers of young footballers. As one of Mourinho's closest friends in football, Eladio Parames, put it recently: “In Portugal there is an old saying: 'A lie repeated a thousand times is taken as a truth.' But, as a matter of fact, it doesn't stop being a lie, even if whoever hears or reads it may think it is true.”

Parames, who recommended Mourinho for his first managerial position and has advised him throughout his career, details his friend's actual track record on promoting youth. In reality, Mourinho's policy has been to play any youngster “with the ability to become top players and play for the first team.”

During his three years at Madrid – a club which buys global stars at record fees for marketing and political purposes – the Portuguese coach gave no less than 20 academy products their first-team debuts. In chronological order Mourinho's 'canteranos' were Juan Carlos, David Mateos, Antonio Adan, Pablo Sarabia, Alvaro Morata, Alex Fernandez, Nacho Fernandez, Tomas Mejias, Jesus Fernandez, Joselu, Pedro Mendes, Jese, Jorge Casado, Fernando Pacheco, Jose Rodriguez, Denis Cheryshev, Casemiro, Fabinho, Omar Mascarell and Diego Llorente.

“In the last three years at Madrid, with Carlo Ancelotti, Rafael Benitez and Zinedine Zidane, only nine canteranos had the opportunity to make their debut in the first team,” Parames said. “Yet it is claimed Mourinho was the one that didn't give opportunities to the young players. They were in his plans, they had their chances. Some were sold and Real Madrid made money for further investments. Others are still in the club.”

At Inter, another club obsessed with the transfer market, Mourinho made the 18-year-old Davide Santon his first-choice left back. At Porto, the 19-year-old Carlos Alberto became the second youngest footballer to score in a Champions League Final. A third teenager, Raphael Varane, went into the center of Madrid's defense ahead of Pepe and Sergio Ramos.

Even at Chelsea, a club whose academy has spent more on recruiting and preparing youngsters since Abramovich's arrival than any competitor yet failed to deliver a single individual who any of the Russian's carousel of coaches considered good enough to make a long-term starter, Mourinho attempted to promote youth. Steven Watt, Lenny Pidgeley, Anthony Grant, Jimmy Smith, Ben Sahar, Michael Woods, Sam Hutchinson, Lewis Baker, John Swift, Tomas Kalas, Dominic Solanke, Andreas Christensen, Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Bertrand Traore are amongst his debutants. If many of the names – particularly from his first stint at Chelsea – are not well known, it is a reflection of what they have subsequently achieved in the sport rather than the opportunity offered to them.

Solanke is Chelsea's youngest ever Champions League player. Kalas played 90 minutes in Chelsea's critically important 2-0 win at Liverpool in 2014. Mourinho recognized Loftus-Cheek's talent, but sought to develop the highly paid teenager's mental strength. As soon as young signings such as Arjen Robben, Petr Cech and Kurt Zouma earned Mourinho's confidence, they became first-team regulars.

“There are young players in the first-team squads by option of their coaches, and there are some who only have their chance because of injuries in the first team players,” Parames said. “If it's impossible to deny that Mourinho's teams had an amazing record in a low number of injuries, then it is also important to reflect and see the reasons why some clubs and managers have to play with young players.

“At Madrid, Iker Casillas was put the bench so young Antonio Adan could play. Similarly, at Inter, Chivu was left out in favour of Santon. At Chelsea, Zouma was chosen ahead of Gary Cahill and David Luiz, and before that Carlo Cudicini had to give way to the young Cech. These were options. Not needs - options. Options from the coach that never gives a chance to young players.”

Or so that particular Mourinho myth goes.
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Wonder why Duncan is saying these things. Blatant auditioning jfor a job with a club which is proud of its youth policy. :smirk:
 
Owngoalscorer said:
I don't disagree with you but there is some logic in the idea that if someone works well on a limited budget he can do miracles with a few quid more... and remember our favourite mall-proprietors hadn't been particularly good at flashing the cash over the years.. I personally was shocked by the choice but then like everyone, hoped for the best...
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The sad thing for me mate was i wasn't shocked. I was told years ago Moyes would replace SAF, didn't want to believe it but deep down just knew he would. Turned out to be true, felt like a kick in the balls when it was made official.

It was hard but i also hoped for the best, despite never liking Moyes or particularly rating him.
 
Cassidy said:
And the £300m we have spent on the squad suggests what? Not hiring Mourinho would indicate we don't want him at the club and there are plenty of reasons not to want him at the club (even though at this point I believe we should hire him)
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Fair enough - although I really think the decision against hiring Mourinho and holding the ambition to dominate the league are mutually exclusive.
 
VP89 said:
Fair enough - although I really think the decision against hiring Mourinho and holding the ambition to dominate the league are mutually exclusive.
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Yes because he is the only manager who can win the league
 
Cassidy said:
Yes because he is the only manager who can win the league
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I can't tell whether that is sarcasm or not, but he's the only available manager who can topple Pep & Wenger and has a proven record of doing so. I'd question the ambitions of my club if we decided against hiring him.
 
Maradona10 said:
DUNCAN CASTLES- Mourinho and the myth of Youth


Wonder why Duncan is saying these things. Blatant auditioning jfor a job with a club which is proud of its youth policy. :smirk:
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Mendes must be getting very desperate.
 
VP89 said:
I can't tell whether that is sarcasm or not, but he's the only available manager who can topple Pep & Wenger and has a proven record of doing so. I'd question the ambitions of my club if we decided against hiring him.
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It was sarcasm yes, I have already said I would go for him. But I wouldn't cry if the club somehow got Simeone or Poch or someone of that ilk either, thats all. The notion that Mourinho is the ONLY guy who can do the job is just false. Having said that to me its clearly obvious that the club have a deal in place for him to take over in the summer anyway.
 
Cassidy said:
It was sarcasm yes, I have already said I would go for him. But I wouldn't cry if the club somehow got Simeone or Poch or someone of that ilk either, thats all. The notion that Mourinho is the ONLY guy who can do the job is just false. Having said that to me its clearly obvious that the club have a deal in place for him to take over in the summer anyway.
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Ah OK. I'm treating any discussion on the premise that its Mourinho vs LVG/Giggs. That's probably why I'm on the glory or doom extreme.
 
Maradona10 said:
DUNCAN CASTLES- Mourinho and the myth of Youth

Wonder why Duncan is saying these things. Blatant auditioning jfor a job with a club which is proud of its youth policy. :smirk:
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Proof, if any were needed, that this isn't done a done deal or anything like it at this point. As per the BBC article, no definitive decisions have yet been taken, everything is still up for grabs.
 
If Castles is writing on behalf of Mendes, that piece is a pretty clear indication that we haven't hired Maureen yet.

Also, Castles is a hideous writer. Hi-de-ous.
 
Hasn't this been posted yet? http://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2016/04/14/570f769846163f045f8b45d8.html

http://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2016/04/14/570f769846163f045f8b45d8.html
Mourinho's Manchester United move looks to be off
http://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2016/04/14/570f769846163f045f8b45d8.html
Despite months of speculation linking Jose Mourinho with a move to Manchester United, it appears the Red Devils are ready to turn to Ryan Giggs as their new manager.

With the Premier League giants currently sitting fifth in the table, reports have been rampant that the Portuguese tactician would replace Louis van Gaal during the summer.

However United management, should they sack the Dutchman, are keen to replace him with a figure that won't overshadow the club, something that would take place should the Special One be brought to Old Trafford.

As a result the Glazer family have already taken steps towards promoting Giggs from his current post as assistant manager, leaving Mourinho's future in doubt.

With most of Europe's top clubs already certain of who will coach them next season, two options available for the 53-year-old are Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain.

Although Los Blancos only recently replaced Rafa Benitez with Zinedine Zidane, the Frenchman isn't guaranteed to remain in the position next season as much of that will depend on how the club end the season.

Even so, President Florentino Perez remains a huge fan of Mourinho and may try to bring him back to the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu regardless. However his attempts may be thwarted by PSG, who could turn to the tactician should they sack Laurent Blanc.

The French giants were eliminated from the Champions League quarter-finals for the fourth year running, and management are considering moving on from 50-year-old in order to improve fortunes in European play.

Other options for PSG are Massimiliano Allegri and Roberto Mancini, however it looks as though the Italian duo will remain with their current sides for one more season.
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LeftyBlaster said:
Not shit. You think Jose would put up with the shit consistently served up by the likes of Rooney, Carrick, Darmian, and Mata? Of course they'd want their buddy Giggs in charge.
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Reminds me of when they heard Moyes had been sacked and they were happy because they could get Giggs to serve them chips again.
 
settembrini said:
Reminds me of when they heard Moyes had been sacked and they were happy because they could get Giggs to serve them chips again.
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Remember watching that documentary about Giggs and he's four games in charge.. He openly admitted that the hardest thing he had to do was to drop old team mates/friends. This was for four meaningless end of season games, this isn't the sort of thing you'd want from a manager throughout the season.
 
@Acquire Me why or how are you so sure that Mourinho is coming? Apologies if its been discussed to death but I only ever caught the thread title change and didn't know why you were so sure.
 
Maradona10 said:
DUNCAN CASTLES- Mourinho and the myth of Youth


Wonder why Duncan is saying these things. Blatant auditioning jfor a job with a club which is proud of its youth policy. :smirk:
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Yeah, and Sam Wallace in the Telegraph said the exact same thing earlier this week. The PR offensive is rolling!
 
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