Despise I meant. Wish I could dispose of him though
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Yup, that's the one, chiefo. Along the lines of the famous 'beware the tides of Marks and Spencers'.
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after seeing LVG for two seasons, i can safely say that the adage "the devil you know..." doesn't apply here.
I wouldn't really lose sleep if we get Pocchetino. However we need to understand that he will be facing a royal mess and work under a level of pressure he never witnessed before. That can easily consume a young manager's career up (Rodgers, Moyes, the list is endless). If you ask me we should have got Ancelotti instead of Moyes/LVG and Pocchetino as his successor. The former had built a reputation in adapting his system to suit various club cultures. The latter would then take over once SAF's shadow had melted away and the club would have been in solid foundations. Instead the biggest club in the world opted for rejects no one really want (or wanted anymore). This sort of inefficiency is what is crippling the club. You can't expect to win the formula 1 by driving a lada
The possible managers that could have replaced LVG before...it's not a hard choice for me
Mourinho - 8 Titles, 2 CL, 1 EL, 7 Domestic Cups
Guardiola - 5 Titles, 2 CL, 3 Domestic Cups
Ancelloti - 3 Titles, 3 CL, 3 Domestic Cups
Simeone - 3 Titles, CL Runner up, 1 EL, 1 Domestic Cup
Conte - 3 Titles, 1 Domestic cup
Benitez - 2 Titles, 1 CL, 2 EL, 2 Domestic Cup
Klopp - 2 Titles, CL Runner up, 1 Domestic Cup
Moyes - Division 2 Promotion
Pochetinno -
Giggs - United way, United through and through, knows the club
Here's what we could have won. We didn't that is the problem. We messed up big time. We shopped at Aldi rather than Harrods.
Seeing Moyes CV compared to everyone else always makes me laugh, it was an obvious disaster from day 1
Feels the same if Giggs gets the job
And we had always been like that. The trouble now is that we cant afford to do that anymore since SAF is gone.
We're been saying that we're the biggest club in the world for years. Its time we start acting like one
Not done that bad considering the injuries? Feck off is that a reasonable point, bloody hell.
At this point I don't know any United fan or otherwise who thinks he'll keep his job. The idea that Mourinho's football is in league with LvGs bore fest is ridiculous as well, for a start his team has the goalscoring record.
The thing is - I'd be wary of appointing Pochettino because of his public flirtations with Real in the past. Some might might discount this wrinkle - but I think not many within the game can resist the temptation when that lot rolls out the red carpet (Mourinho deserted the treble winners, Ancelotti left a potential CL winning squad at Paris Saint-Germain). What happens when Real Madrid come waltzing into town, and Pochettino feels he's mature enough for the challenge? He certainly seems ambitious enough, so what happens when (and if) he views United but as a 'step'?
There might be a Ronaldo situation at hand, only this time - at the managerial position. And if Pochettino leaves Spurs now (via the clause in his contract), after spending less than 2 seasons at Southampton - you'll know he's calculating in terms of his career, and planning ahead by sounding out a potential step up. And for most players/ managers of South American extraction - Manchester United vs Real Madrid is an easy choice. To be fair, all of that is conjecture based on an impression, but it is certainly something to consider IMO.
With Mourinho, you somehow get the impression (maybe it's erroneous) that United might be what he's looking for - rather than just another notch. If we back him in the way Madrid and Chelsea didn't (they would've booted Louis into oblivion by December rather than giving him every chance to turn the ship around), and the power to dispose of personnel that don't see eye to eye with him (a liberty he had at Internazionale, and Porto AFAIK) - who knows, maybe José would feel settled, and then he could be part of the long term solution, because unlike those clubs in his younger days, he might not want to move. He's taken his talents to every major league across Europe, so it's not like he'll be attracted to other offers, and he's stated several times that he wants to be based in England because of his family.
In relative terms - the pressure that Mourinho operated under at say Real, and one Pochettino operates under at Tottenham are worlds apart, so what they did with youth differs quite naturally. One was trying to surpass the greatest club team of modern times - where it was essentially an arms race with record point/ goal totals, and the other is milking a rather pedestrian league season where no one seems intent on winning the damn thing. Mourinho had a lot to deal with at Madrid, but despite that he introduced 20 something La Fábrica graduates IIRC - including Jesé, Morata, Cheryshev, Joselu, José Rodríguez, Nacho. It's extremely tough to trust youth when it could mean dropping points against juggernauts like Barcelona. And even at Internazionale, a lot of his work goes unappreciated because it doesn't suit the 'Mourinho youth slayer' narrative:
http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journa...ea-look-to-inter-for-the-real-mourinho-legacy
Don't suppose that will make anyone rethink their stance though, since things already seem cast in stone - because he didn't give chances to some Chelsea players who will be playing mid table, or lower league football in half a decade. Even if we're gonna pass on Mourinho and wait, I'd rather we approach someone like Tuchel (whose contract runs out in 2018). He'd be a more stable choice I feel, and what he's achieved this season isn't far from Pochttino's mark (infact, one look at the Bundesliga table will tell you that he's just 5 points behind arguably the best squad in Europe - so it's extremely impressive). Though the fact that he inherited a better squad from Klopp, and stepped into a club with great structure in Dortmund makes any assessment trickier. Hmm...
The emphasis on youth; the lack of genuine superstar-signings both players and managers; cheapness in the guise of tradition, in other words.
That Secret Footballer article is fascinating. Really interesting to read, thanks for whoever linked that!
Excellent. We're good!
The indignity we all agree would be beyond the pale is to demand that he pay back to the club wages already paid to him. I wouldn't even demand that of Fellaini!
Ah man, just after we'd agreed on something!Excellent. We're good!
The indignity we all agree would be beyond the pale is to demand that he pay back to the club wages already paid to him. I wouldn't even demand that of Fellaini!
Not that I have anything against Poch, no, but with amount of people wanting him over Mourinho I hope he turns out to be Rodgers/Martinez-tier fraud next season and he takes Spurs to feck all.
That is the part that is worry me. Also that as has been said over and over again, we wouldn't be using the youth if we hadn't had all those injuries. He is claiming credit for something that has happened by accident. The seniors are now all coming back, sorry kids back to the reserves.
It's too soon for Poch. He has to prove himself in the CL and that he can maintain Spurs league position next season.
One can focus on youth talent and still be classy. Actually the biggest clubs in the world (Bayern and Barcelona) do that. They build a team around quality youths and then fill the gaps with world class talent. However youths and 'tradition' should never be used as an excuse for being skint. Barcelona didn't shy away from spending ridiculous amount of money on Suarez and that despite having Bojan. Bayern didn't say "oh look, lets not sign Ancelotti since Matthaus is around". They went and brought in the best
I don't mind if United fail to bring in a striker because of Martial/Rashford or if they insist on CBJ as Shaw cover/competition. However in certain areas we can't afford not bringing in absolute top quality. The manager role is one of them.
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Both Rodgers and Martinez messed up the clubs they were in (excluding Swansea for both I suppose). Pochettino took Southampton to a new level and now at Spurs also he seems to have done a good job there. That too he doesn't seem to have had a lot of spending too. Most of his buys were under 10m and under the radar players in both clubs too. I think it's safe to say that he actually knows what he is doing in all areas, unlike Rodgers and Martinez.
Not anymore mate, I don't do football stuff on a permanent basis anymore. Do some freelance work in the sports press but not in a writing capacity, and I certainly couldn't pass on any tips from the stuff I read (not that I've seen anything you haven't seen yourselves).
I was at the Moyes press conference after the Wigan Community Shield game though, even asked him a question. I've never seen a man look more terrified, and you could see all the other journos looking at each other and asking 'WTF'. Rang my dad afterwards and predicted this would be a disaster. Certainly didn't foresee the sheer extent of the trainwreck we saw that season though.
I dunno if this is posted, but Mourinho has just given an interview to Abola
Mourinho a year or so earlier to talksport in an Interview
Could this get any obvious?
Mourinho a year or so earlier to talksport in an Interview
Could this get any obvious?
Is his job based on posting messages on hysterical internet forums? I sincerely hope not.
Either way, you have to admire the guy's conviction - I like the cut of his jib.
We need a top notch striker or we will be in serious trouble if those two hit a bad patch. We need a 20 plus a season player, they are nowhere near that yet. I agree about CBJ, we don't even know if Luke will be as good when he comes back. I want another CB who is a ball player and a proper right wideman, so we have proper pace down both sides. Also need a replacement for Carrick. Doubt most of it will happen though. We will be like Arsenal who always seem to neglect the most serious deficiencies in their side.
Cant wait for the day our club is run similar to Bayern is right now. New manager announced early, player renewals happening way before the summer comes etc.
You just know when we it comes time to renew Martial's contract we are going to make a song and dance.
You just know when we it comes time to renew Martial's contract we are going to make a song and dance.
Could someone explain to me what the title is? Acquire Me is a poster yeah? What happened to him?
Rooney is a problem that both sums up the regimes of both Moyes and VG for giving him everything he does not deserve anymore, if we sign a new striker rooney has to go
Claiming to have inside knowledge that Mourinho has already signed.
Obvious BS, but still.
It's not like Rodgers has done shite job at Swansea, Liverpool was sort of gratification for his good job done at Swans. It was, after all, a little step upwards. I just hope the same thing's with Poch. That Tottenham's his Liverpool and he'll be somehow found out and sent back where Spurs belong. It's just my hopes though, mind.
It's funny that he is getting a runout with the U-21's on Monday and the M.E.N. are speculating if he will be made captain.
Agree.
People forget that before the Glazers Manchester United regularly broke the British transfer record. Nobody could live with our spending. Fergie was happy to pay whatever was needed to stay ahead of the pack. Furthermore, Fergie showed no hesitancy about buying players that affected the development of youngsters. He happily splashed out on Poborsky despite Beckham coming through simultaneously.
United's commitment is, and has always been, to winning. The team that ended our 26 year wait for a title was mostly bought. The likes of Big Pete, Brucey, Pally, Ince, Kanchelskis, Cantona etc. did not come through our academy. The 1992/93 depended on virtually no academy players: Hughes, Giggs and a bit of Clayton Blackmore. That's it, and we bought Hughes back after we sold him.
The fact is we have not had superb academy players for some time, Ronaldo and Rooney didn't come through our academy, they came from Sporting and Everton. Was anyone complaining when we won three titles on the bounce and a Champions League to boot between 2007 and 2009 though?
It feels like much of the opposition to Mourinho is coming from people who have romanticised the past. Also, it feels like a lot of younger fans are saying what they think they should say to prove they're real fans e.g. we need a manager who emphasises youth etc. If the young players are good enough they will get chances under Mourinho. If they are not they will be allowed to go, just like under Fergie. Where is Kiko Macheda now, eh?
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We can go and get a 20 goal scorer, but who are the suppliers for those goals?
Good post.
The biggest irony? the past was winning at all costs, pressuring refs, hated by rivals, going into games with that mentality we have beaten you before you get on the pitch. Do we need to go over 99? when keane, stam and the gang looked like they wanted to rip the refs head off over a decision. Are we here in this game to win contests for being the nicest? or we here to win? and this squad is far too soft
Well, yes that as well. This team still has a lot of holes to fill to get it back to the top. I am not sure some realise it.
There's always one every year! It's the hope that kills
He needs to buy a right arsehole or we need an arsehole as a manager. It is far too cosy.
But..but..we are Man Utd. We cannot be cnuts. We have a moral victory to claim. Let's stick by our useless managers and give them long term contracts just because it brings stability. Let's assemble a team full of pansies because we must be the nicest team ever on the pitch.
These quotes are supposedly from an interview given in Portugal. Take from them what you will, but I would guess that some club has approached him more formally than previous - here's to hoping it's us.
'Note: @CheGiaevara: In a Spanish context "In the next few days" means "you'll all know soon enough". Doesn't mean upcoming days necessarily.'
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