Just sharing something related with Mourinho style of football.
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BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Living on a past reputation? Didn't notice journalistic integrity there last year.
If he does become our next boss,who will he pinch from Chelsea ?
He's an arsehole, and a good guy rolled into one. Sign him up.
Nobody. Willian and Azpi are the only players that didnt let him down
It's never his fault.Will that have been his fault?
Even under Fergie we lost Pogba, Rossi, Pique to another clubs... All of them have been doing well.. Rossi been unlucky with injures tho.
Yet you can be sure between now and then he won't have a day off. Mourinho will be plotting, weighing up, and revising his plans the whole while. He has been working towards this. (My theory is that he engineered his own departure from Chelsea afte realizing going back was a boring mistake.) The guy cogitates like a Borgia, and I have full confidence between now and August he will have located a soft point in the flesh of Guardiola through which he can pierce his trusty lance of one nil.
Amazing goal scoring and goals conceded records throughout his career, proven pedigree all over the world, fiery character needed to awaken that extra 10 percent in players for the big games; he has charisma rivalling that of Alex Ferguson, combines it with a degree of tactical nouse necessary to win the CL nowadays and has that Southern European bluff sprinkled on the top. You can not have your cake any better than that.
Add to that the extra incentive he now has to prove himself all over again after his last five months at Chelsea... Wowzalinho.
I am not all that sure he will be here for three years only either. He has done his tour around Europe already, seems to like England as a
place to live, has reached an age when people start to think about settling down and United is the one club left in World football that offers the perfect environment to host men of his ilk. I believe part of his outbursts and psychological instability came from frustration with inside interference on various subjects By various überbosses which undermined his authority over his players. He was also clearly unhappy over his lack of say in the transfer market at his previous two clubs. United will be a dream club for him as he will fulfil both the roles of a coach and Director of Football. Give a special man like him as close to full control as one can get in today's football world and I believe not even the likes of Pep can stop him in the long run.
All hail the return of another Emperor at this beautiful football club. (feck off @Twigginater and @Randall Flagg ). I have no time to check, but both were probably breathlessly aroused when Moyes was announced. I wager that it's exactly these types that crowd the boardroom at United.
Add to that the extra incentive he now has to prove himself all over again after his last five months at Chelsea... Wowzalinho.
I am not all that sure he will be here for three years only either. He has done his tour around Europe already, seems to like England as a
place to live, has reached an age when people start to think about settling down and United is the one club left in World football that offers the perfect environment to host men of his ilk. I believe part of his outbursts and psychological instability came from frustration with inside interference on various subjects By various überbosses which undermined his authority over his players. He was also clearly unhappy over his lack of say in the transfer market at his previous two clubs. United will be a dream club for him as he will fulfil both the roles of a coach and Director of Football. Give a special man like him as close to full control as one can get in today's football world and I believe not even the likes of Pep can stop him in the long run.
All hail the return of another Emperor at this beautiful football club. (feck off @Twigginater and @Randall Flagg ). I have no time to check, but both were probably breathlessly aroused when Moyes was announced. I wager that it's exactly these types that crowd the boardroom at United.
And if so, Pep should've been informed that United would do everything in their power to make him their next manager after SAF's successor.
City managed to do it. They tried for Pep, went with Pellegrini when it became clear that Pep would choose Bayern, and then came back in for him when the opportunity arose.
It's clever succession planning. What United are doing on the footballing side of the planning are a shambles.
Or the option of do not want but acknowledge that there might not be anyone else available now? I really don't want Mourinho and here's why:
-He needs to spend, spend, spend to keep the stability
-He will, eventually, fall out with everyone from Richard Arnold to the tea lady
-He needs the best players around to mask his defensive philosophy (every team he has coached is an example of that), meaning he can't build a solid, entertaining team on a "budget" (all is relative)
-Youth gets neglected full time, meaning we have to spend big to fill up the squad
With the Glazers as our anchor, I fail to see how we can keep the Mourinho train going for more than 2-3 season as we don't have the financial stability or backing as City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter (they pretended had, and they ended up with huge red numbers the following years). It's a bit worrying that loads of United fans are willing to risk the club's future even more just because we are desperate to get rid of LvG and that we might experience some success short-term.
Sounds like it would be an end of the season job rather than an imminent Van Gaal sacking. I'd be happy with that - LVG has done enough recently to suggest he's turning things round and this would allow him to step down with dignity a la Pellegrini whilst Jose gets a chance to build a team in the summer.
Look Mou is not perfect and I've highlighted that in numerous occasions. He's arrogant, he doesn't develop enough youths (its a disgrace that he barely gave Chelsea kids a chance when they have such a brilliant youth academy) and he tend to feck off leaving squads in a worse state that they are. However no manager is perfect. Pep is a prodigy in management. His record is just mindblowing. However he's got no experience in stirring a ship whose heading in the wrong direction and we have no guarantee that his precious philosophy wouldn't turn into muck if he tried to implement it at OT (doesn't that ring a bell). There's certainly no Mullers, Iniestas and Puyols at OT. Pocchetino has done some great things at Spurs. There again he never lead a big side and that can be daunting. Simeone on the other hand did wonders with Athletico Madrid and I just love his passion and his tenacity. However he can't speak English and he doesn't come across as a man who even follow the EPL. That's a big problem (just ask Gaz). All these managers are my favourites.
I think that Mourinho was trying to build something at Chelsea. His team was ageing and instead of fecking off as he always does he decided to remain there and start building the squad from scratch. The trouble is that he couldn't have found a worse club to do that then Chelsea. The team is as plastic as can be and their players simply dont give a feck about the club.
As said, Mou is not perfect. However he's a winner, he knows the EPL inside out, he's worked with 3 of the toughest and most lunatic clubs in the world and jeez he's frigging angry and hungry. He's been humiliated by Chelsea and his players and he had been betrayed by the same owner twice. I also feel that at this stage of career he wants to settle down. I can't blame him. Very few people can say that he had worked under Moratti, Roman (twice) and Perez and lived to tell the tale. I think that if he can find a proper club, who will allow him time and that feeling of being loved and implement his ideas than I believe he would stay at Manchester United. Its also good for his ego. Being SAF mark 2 has a great sound to it especially if by some miracle he manages to win more CLs then him.
He fell out with most of them unfortunately. Willian seems the most likely, maybe Pedro?
- any manager coming to United will need to spend, spend and spend. Our team and youth academy are a mess. Also Mou showed that he can actually win without spending (Porto) and had since been to club who want instant success and doesn't care how expensive that would be. An employee is there to keep his employer happy
- Mcgrath, Leighton, Ince, Kanchelskis, Gillespie, Kidd, Beckham, Keane, Rooney, Stam, RVN....doesn't that ring a bell?
- he didn't have the best players at neither Porto nor Inter (CL)
- on that I agree
I think that Mou yearns to manage a proper club. He's been in circuses for far too long and I feel he misses something like Porto (which we are). He will try to do things the proper way. If its not the case, well....we claim to be the biggest and richest club in the world. Its time we show it
Erm, hadn't Hazard pretty much gone on strike in order to get Jose sacked???
Wouldn't at all shock me if he's going through our performances trying to assess what we can improve on in detail. Probably looking at what players to sign, the areas within the club to improve.
Mourinho, given money and full control of transfer targets, will build a title winning side. I'm certain of it.
He might just have been really rubbish, we will never know, hopefully he stays on strike till at least Monday
Also with Guardiola coming in and having the same basis of no restriction the two Manchester clubs will force each other to absolute power houses to keep up with one another, like Barca and Madrid or how Dortmund forced Munich to another level which could bode well for Europe.
Isn't Allegri going there?
feck off getting in the way of my muppetry.
If we are in talks, it pretty much a certainty he will become manager. The timing is just weird, though i guess it was something that was never meant to get out.
He's not really a manager that signs past players I know he did when he went to Chelsea the 1st time singed a few ex Porto players but can't recall him doing it at Inter or Madrid. Unlike Harry redknapp where he went so did Defoe
Maybe this is why John Terry has announced quitting Chelsea when he did so he can join United with Mourinho.
For this reason alone give the man a 10 year contract!
There are rumours that United like to try and develop youth from within. And that many match going supporters love nothing better than to see players come true the system. There are also rumours that John Stones and Everton under Martinez are actually pants at defending but great at talking about how 'technically' great they are. These are just rumours of course. Like the rumours that you actually support United.
Ah I love the smell of a t.o.p Red in the morning. I've witnessed many of them in forums and supporters clubs in the past. Most vanished when things got tough.
PS don't you think Stones can defend better than Mcnair? I do
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The right one. Finally. Should have got it in 2013.
Hope it's true.
Hope it's true.
What a load of tosh, every top manager works with the best players around, you make it sounds as if Pep is playing the likes of Spanish John O'shea
Same.
While I'm willing to take a chance on him to see if it works out providing he does sign with us,I cant help but think of the mess he has left behind.
The collapse of Chelsea a club he "loved" was alarming.
Im very 50/50 on the appointment to be honest and there's no guarantee he can weave his magic at Utd,there may be other underlying issues the club have Mourinho cant fix.
- Is our youth team a mess, though? I'm asking because I don't know and also because I've given up watching them since we have had too many false dawns the last years ("[insert name] is dead-on to make it here"). One of the few things LvG has done great since his arrival is that he has given youth a chance. His problem is that he hasn't managed to build a stable squad which means we have had to over-rely on said youth carrying the team. The quality of our current youth players might not be all that, but perhaps we wouldn't slaughter them (I'm guilty of that) if our actually first-teamers were performing? That being said, I don't see Mourinho being the one fixing that. So yeah, another strategy. Spend heavily on star players and bring in expensive fringe players to expand the squad.
- True, but he managed to handle the situations. Can the same thing be said about Mourinho? Also, I know we would like to compare everything to Sir Alex, but he was a one-off. The greatest of all time. Mourinho will probably match his trophy haul but will he be able to build a legacy for us, not just himself? Doubt it.
- Inter didn't have the best players in the world but he was given freedom to build the best side in Italy which could compete on the International scene despite them not having the budget for it. He was saved by that bonkers decision from Barca to accept the Eto'o/Zlatan swap but the salary budget he built almost sent Inter into bankruptcy. Thus meaning he couldn't build the team on a "budget"
I have no doubt he REALLY wants to manage us (him sucking up to us on every opportunity he had hasn't gone unnoticed), which is pleasing, I'm just against the idea because I have serious doubts about it being good for us. Even short-term.
Never a fan of him, but at least he guaranties trophies !
Never gets old, that one.
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