What's it saying, can't see it I'm on my phone?
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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What's it saying, can't see it I'm on my phone?
I will, because my source is not the only one who knows, so he will be in the clear. I will tell who he got it from, but not who he is of course.
As reported on Sat on Red Issue Mourinho was told last Fri post-Anfield he will be next Utd manager. Nothing signed yet though
Are people really buying what these clowns are making up now?
Thanks!
Oh hell, aren't these that bunch of bitter failed students who make all manner of stupid stuff up?
Why wouldn't they? I mean with pearls of wisdom such as below, I can't see how they can't be trusted...
Yeah under Mourinho, we might come 10th.
Not.
Fair enough. But you've gone out on a limb here yourself. If it doesn't happen, you'll be a spectacular ITK failure. Just reminding you: You said it yourself, if we don't end up with Maureen, you'll leave the Caf - or words to that effect.
I just hope you haven't fallen like a sucker for something here.
I think it's fair to say that @Acquire Me will deserve a hero's reception if his information turns out to be true. If it's false, there should be a witch hunt to end all persecution. Full on pitch forks stuff. We love a good scapegoat.
Where the hell is that "like" button???
How reliable is @AquireMe?
Has he been on the caf long? Is he a respected poster? I remember a few years ago that poster wummed us all with Vidal rumours.
Has he been on the caf long? Is he a respected poster? I remember a few years ago that poster wummed us all with Vidal rumours.
I should rest because you told me to? Van Gaal has consistently been hired in his career when clubs need to rebuild. That my sir is certain.
Now you call us a successful side. The same side that lost the title to city & one player in RVP changed that for us. You assume that when a a new manager takes over with even a older squad that he should somehow do better or a decent job similar to what SAF was capable of?
LVG was bought here build foundations in my eyes before we went down the route of struggling under different managers. We have struggled under 2 & the fact that SAF the best manager of all time won things with a squad does not prove to me or anyone that we had a particularly strong squad that any mediocre manager could take us to the success the likes of you crave.
It explains why lvg
A) wasn't fired initially during a sticky period
B) said that this seasons squad was representitve of his side which has had plenty of more youngsters
C) why giggs sits next to him (someone who manages or not will be around to view the club for the seats)
You are representitve of the same supporters at Barcelona and at Bayern Munich that only see his benefits now when those 2 clubs went from a tough period to a period of undeniable success.
I thought guardiola would come ; purely because it would have been an easier job for him to take. I was wrong and suddenly I'm wrong about everything?
Mourinho will come here and unless he has his own agenda where he sells all our kids and buys a whole squad in their prime..it's is completely and utterly idiotic to think the kids would not have learnt shit all under van gaal that will be beneficial no matter who the manager is.
Do you think footballers are apes? That they have such a short memory that after spending 2 years learning possession football that they will suddenly forget how to retain possession?
Managers , players , CEO, directors & fans have explained why LVG is not a regular manager. The reason he doesn't get off his seat is clear. The reason he used the 352 straight after the world cup was clear; infact us being able to switch formations in to different line ups is a benefit that can also be taken to the future.
Shaw,Memphis,martial,lingard,rashford,Mcnair,Fosu mensah, CBJ and countless others will have benefited from this period so then don't tell me if we end up as successful as Bayern & Barca with 'scatterings' of this players spread across players we buy and some which enter a prime..that lvg is a forgotten man.
That is utter nonsense. If guardiola's presence is felt at Barcelona under Enrique then it is just to sleep calmly that you think LVG will have no presence in the future.
BTW - though the tactics change, the methodology of how LVG works has stayed at most of his clubs.I'm not making this up and it becomes very obvious to see why someone like Mourinho will add the things that makes him a very good manager in to the mix of van gaals' methodology right down to the youth.
Il give it a rest now.
Just to clarify:
- When I said LVG's role was to transition an already successful side to his predecessor, I didn't mean Moyes' team. I meant he would make the side successful prior to transition. He hasn't.
- You (not me) clearly outlined that "the plan" was for LVG to create a possession based side for his predecessor to continue in the same style. You also said that is why United would NOT appoint Mourinho (or that if United appointed Mourinho, he would ruin LVG's work). Now it's a perfect transition?
- If you think LVG has instilled a successful possession style at United, I suggest you watch some games.
- In his previous roles LVG didn't have a "hard stop" end date. He was reshaping a team for himself to manage. I have watched football a long time and have never seen or heard of a plan where a manager spends £300m or more on players for the next manager without knowing who that manager would be. If that is/was the plan it is the stupidest plan ever devised.
I wasn't trying to belittle Pochettino's achievements at all at Spurs. He has done a fantastic job. My point was simply that "the United way" under Fergie has less to do with style or intent or using young players and more to do with ingraining a winning mentality throughout the club from top to bottom.
One of my favourite Fergie quotes was after beating a vastly higher quality Arsenal team "there are no cowards in my team". It was one thing you could rely on that United would change the momentum of a title race by beating a title rival against the odds. Mourinho's teams do that too - Anfield being a good example.
Of everything the club has lost since Fergie left, that is what the club needs back.
Yorke is pitching himself for the Villa job so has his own agenda in suggesting rookie coaches are the way to go.
I can't think of why our former players are so against Mourinho. He would be like in GOT when Tony Stark returns to the North to discover what his senile older brother (Eddard) and his rookie son had done to the North. No talks of traditions, ways and philosophy we would be back to business
Of course it's a made up ITK story. He's playing a percentage game that has more chance of back firing when Jose is employed elsewhere come July.
I think that Mourinho has to be our next manager as it was either him or Pep but City grabbed Pep before anyone could come to a deal with him.
So who is left as a World Class manager on the market - Mourinho, Conte, Allegri, Simeone ??
The first two seem to be booked already and Simeone seems reluctant to leave AM so we just have to go for Mourinho.
So who is left as a World Class manager on the market - Mourinho, Conte, Allegri, Simeone ??
The first two seem to be booked already and Simeone seems reluctant to leave AM so we just have to go for Mourinho.
It shouldn't be restricted to those 4.There are some good,potentially great ones out there
Well of course he's playing a percentages game, but Mourinho to United has been looking more likely than not since the BBC and others started reporting that talks had taken place weeks ago. The signed 'done deal' stuff is patently false, given the fact that nobody trustworthy has this thing progressing beyond a gentlemen's agreement at the moment, and the sheer number of stories pushing Giggs as successor in the intervening period would seem to imply that the forces at work there have not yet been given any reason to concede.
If Mo's coming and has been in ITK about it, he'll have been working on his plans for weeks/months. I'm hoping there'll be some drastic action taken from day one, instead of days, weeks, months waiting for crumbs. ( my refresh pressing appendage has lost all its flesh)
More names please ?
LVG
M.E.N have the article about him not being sacked even if we lose the derby. The meltdown underneath in the comments section. A lot of them are saying they will not renew their season tickets if LvG stays.
Santiago's idea that Bayern's and Barcelona's success is down to van Gaal is probably some of the most deluded viewpoint on this forum. They are historically huge clubs who have always enjoyed success for the past 25-30 years, van Gaal was destroying both from the inside towards the end of his reign but they bounced back, not because of genius behind the scenes work but because they had to given their resources. United will also bounce back eventually and this nutter will be putting this down to his idol when it will have been despite van Gaal not because of him.
There's no logical reason for him to be sacked when we lose the derby given how many other bad results he's survived.
He'll be here as a minimum as long as we're mathematically in the running for 4th or still in the FA cup. Even then with 3 or 4 games to go it will be pointless sacking him before the end if the season.
It would be interesting to see season ticket renewal figures compared to previous seasons (can you renew already?). They might need a statement of intent - a new manager to get the sales.
Its a reason I do know something and I going to say how when he has signed. The deal is actually done and maybe Mourinho will say that himself or maybe he has to much respect for LvG to reveal when the deal was made. But he already has a written agreement with us.
Not sure about when they start pestering about renewing tickets. A lot will leave it late until they know what is happening. I think some will just sign up as members and apply for tickets as they feel. The club have to learn that they can't take their fans for granted. The way those fans get treated is disgraceful really. They are just seen as something to milk money from.
Also can American sports fans tell me something? I quite often get the impression that our fans are being treated like a lot of American sports franchises treat their fans. How many teams have money coming in, say baseball from luxury tax, if that still exists yet the owners have no intention of putting a competitive team out there? They are quite happy picking up TV money and gate/merchandise income without much going back into the team.
At the moment we still appear to want to spend money on players, but could that change?
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Last season there was an incentive long before now to renew and get a limited edition scarf for free if you did so before the end of March. I know it isn't a lot but ST renewals will no doubt be down on this time last year and that will be one factor, obviously LVG and our awful style of play will be another.
The club might seriously be misjudging the mood of the fans. There will always be fans who will renew no matter what dross is being served up and will sit an clap at the right times.
For all the Panickers and worriers - Do you REALLY think LVG would have lasted this long if there wasn't already a plan in place?.
Giggs doesn't want to be interim coach, we've already established that. Mourinho doesn't want to take the job at the end of a failing season, and he's got the court case with the doctor to settle first. Having him as manager while that happens is bad for the clubs image.
LVG was given 0 to spend in the January window. If we truly trusted in him and wanted him to push us on, he would have been given something to bolster this season.
Sources like Di Marzio who to my knowledge has been spot on about pretty much everything, have said Mourinho is first choice but hasn't "officially signed yet". This is similar to the Guardiola situation. Contract is finalised just waiting for the signature.
Reports are that Mourinho has known for weeks he is going to be manager next year, and has already started scouting and picking replacements for his team in the summer.
Woodward has clearly not told LVG what the plans are - why would they?. We've probably got a target based release clause in his contract just like Moyes had. If he fails to meet those targets it'll be cheaper/easier to axe him.
Giggs doesn't want to be interim coach, we've already established that. Mourinho doesn't want to take the job at the end of a failing season, and he's got the court case with the doctor to settle first. Having him as manager while that happens is bad for the clubs image.
LVG was given 0 to spend in the January window. If we truly trusted in him and wanted him to push us on, he would have been given something to bolster this season.
Sources like Di Marzio who to my knowledge has been spot on about pretty much everything, have said Mourinho is first choice but hasn't "officially signed yet". This is similar to the Guardiola situation. Contract is finalised just waiting for the signature.
Reports are that Mourinho has known for weeks he is going to be manager next year, and has already started scouting and picking replacements for his team in the summer.
Woodward has clearly not told LVG what the plans are - why would they?. We've probably got a target based release clause in his contract just like Moyes had. If he fails to meet those targets it'll be cheaper/easier to axe him.
Van Gaal has obviously given chances to a lot of good players, but yeah, to suggest he is solely responsible for their recent success is stretching it a bit. Both Bayern and Barcelona are huge clubs and enjoyed success long before LVG. Barca had 'the dream team' shortly before LVG arrived; Bayern reached two CL finals in three years at the turn of the century. They were always going to rise to the top again, with or without LVG. Not saying he didn't contribute though.
It is so obvious that Jose is signed up and no I'm not ITK
Don't panic Mr Mainwaring
Don't panic Mr Mainwaring
You are Di Marzio
Or 'Arry Redknapp...
I highly doubt Jose has a deal signed already as:
1. Surely, top flight managers are all quite close in the way that they would know such stories. Jose and LvG are mates, are they not?
2. Is it not against employment law that you can give someone your job when you are still under contract within it? Can a club offer a contract to another bloke covering the same period as the current dude? Fairly sure you can't.
3. I can't see united splashing out on a signing fee or anything else whilst LvG is still in the job. Doesn't make sense.
Just my thoughts as to why I don't buy this current 'ITK' story in here or what the papers are saying. These are, after all, the same papers telling us about all the players we have been signing the last few Windows and never materialised.
1. Surely, top flight managers are all quite close in the way that they would know such stories. Jose and LvG are mates, are they not?
2. Is it not against employment law that you can give someone your job when you are still under contract within it? Can a club offer a contract to another bloke covering the same period as the current dude? Fairly sure you can't.
3. I can't see united splashing out on a signing fee or anything else whilst LvG is still in the job. Doesn't make sense.
Just my thoughts as to why I don't buy this current 'ITK' story in here or what the papers are saying. These are, after all, the same papers telling us about all the players we have been signing the last few Windows and never materialised.
1. I would assume that the negotiations are between representatives and that Mourinho is doing his preparation "in silence" in respect to his friend.
2. Thet football-business doesnt work that way as shown a few times with mutual deals beeing done while the manager is still hired.
3. Compared to the loss from no CL and poor PL performance the fee will be a drop of pee in the ocean I think.
So while LVG is still in the job, representatives may negotiate but nothing formal will be done until after the eventual sack. IMO the reason he hasnt been sacked yet is because they dont have a decent replacement for him until the end of the season
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