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BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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No-one is more pleased than me about the week we've had but we've also had many more bloody horrendous ones this season.To keep van Gaal.
Jose is the man, actually really like the idea of LVG staying on behind the scenes as I think he'd do great work at that (strictly leaving the first team stuff to Jose). They both know each other really well and could work together.
If we appoint Mourinho, most of the matchday squad from yesterday will fall into the abyss - never to be seen again.
The talks with the Spurs ended because he didn't want to quit the Dutch national team and he didn't want to do the two jobs at the same time.
Don't do it, don't open the whole New York stock exchange thing again
The New York stock exchange has nothing to do with a pre-contract. But yeah, we should not go there
People worry about Mourinho not playing the youngsters, but with 15 or so games left, there's a real opportunity for a lot of them to make themselves proper first teamers, meaning the fear should be allayed.
He wasnt taking over while he was still NT manager. Spurs only hired a new manager(Pochettino) for the following season. Same as United.
I had just about convinced myself of the idea of Mourinho being the right one for the football club before the kids broke through and made an impact. And I'm now again unsure. In terms of pedigree, there are no issues whatsoever other than him being permanently damaged by his Chelsea experience (which I doubt is the case). What is a genuine issue is his reluctance to play youth. He is far too worried about things going tits up, to genuinely make use of the potential our academy products have got. Which is why I do feel that someone like Pochettino would be absolutely perfect for United, but it's not something I see happening.
I would love to see Mourinho change himself for us but I'm very skeptical.
These comments sum his stance up:
Nothing he says is illogical of course, but it's typical of a manager that is overly demanding and harsh on young players. He sees them in almost in the same manner as he sees established pros. And sometimes with the kids a manager has to give them a bit of extra belief, and patience. And have the balls himself to see a few things go wrong without tearing him apart.
I would love to see Mourinho change himself for us but I'm very skeptical.
These comments sum his stance up:
Nothing he says is illogical of course, but it's typical of a manager that is overly demanding and harsh on young players. He sees them in almost in the same manner as he sees established pros. And sometimes with the kids a manager has to give them a bit of extra belief, and patience. And have the balls himself to see a few things go wrong without tearing him apart.
Wouldn't be so certain of that, there must be some sort of leeway regarding the sensitive operational details we reveal to shareholders like when we named Butt as academy director Ed simply said we will be making "announcements" in due course when the decision had already been made.
This is simply the truth and why I would prefer Pochettino. I have a feeling the club would also.
I prefer Poch too but will be more than happy with Jose given that there is no way in hell Poch is going to leave Spurs when he's started something very promising there. Plus he's just got there.
Yeah, ideally Pochettino will take over from Mourinho in three/four years' time.
Plus over Daniel Levy's dead body!
Poch will have no pulling power towards top players, compared to Mourinho, and we need to rebuild the squad.
Sorry the kids alone won't do it for us.
I do think it would be interesting to see what LvG could do next year, when the youngest players are one year older, and got more experience.
But if i was the one to decide, i'd sign Mou tomorrow.
Sorry the kids alone won't do it for us.
I do think it would be interesting to see what LvG could do next year, when the youngest players are one year older, and got more experience.
But if i was the one to decide, i'd sign Mou tomorrow.
I see people are still throwing 'Poch's name around as if he's on the same level as Jose.
If he's still held in as high regard in 8-10 years then he might be worth a shot.
If he's still held in as high regard in 8-10 years then he might be worth a shot.
Indeed. Makes no sense to take another big gamble at this point. We need to get back on track. And this is coming from someone who isn't much of a Mourinho fan at all
People are cooling on the idea of Mourinhio because the mighty Shrewsbury, Mittyland, and Arsenal Perennial Botticulus were dispatched, all in six marvellous days. And then Watford. At the beginning of last week they said it wouldn't make any difference what happened in the next few games but lo and behold. It has.
In a dire premiership race, whith a bottling Arsenal and faltering City, he has not been able to stay top or as expected; race clear of the pack. How will Poch fare against Guardiola and a Mourinho (with a point to prove) next year.
Mourinho with a mandate to build with youngsters is the best way for him (he will get loyalty and avoid Fabregas style mutiny) and us.
Mourinho with a mandate to build with youngsters is the best way for him (he will get loyalty and avoid Fabregas style mutiny) and us.
Why bring someone in and tell them to change whats always been successful for them? sounds like a desperate bloke trying to transform their new partner into their ex. or something.
Don't ever think he could change anyhow, he'll win for 2 years and we'd have to accept his outbursts, the post game ref rants and the rest of the negatives that come with him.
I'd take him too, because right now im as desperate as the rest of us, but i'm not going to pretend that Jose will turn up this summer as some mythically reformed figure.
Well, employers can demand what they like when hiring someone. If he doesn't want to or can't, then he should say no thank you and move on.
You would think he would be flexible enough to build in some time for developing the youth, especially of we are in four competitions. I think the club should demand this of him.
Why potentially hamstring him in his decisions? makes more sense to me to let him buy and use the players he actually wants and play the way he actually wants if you bring him in, i.e let him use the formula thats worked for him everywhere he's gone.
If you want a bloke who plays the youth and attacking football you should go out and get one that does so surely?
Our opinions won't matter at the end of the day, Di Marzio says he knows that Mou will be our manager next year which means those who don't like Mou will probably have to get used to it.
Why are we still assuming that Mourinho will never play youth considering his previous clubs in Chelsea, Inter, and Real didn't have a system that promoted youth? Did he really have a choice? Just a thought...
I'd imagine if he got the United job he wouldn't have much of a choice. We might follow a policy similar to Bayern of promoting two youth players a year, that way Mou could play the players he wants whilst also helping to bed in a few players who wouldn't disrupt his way of playing.
Have the figures really changed because of vote switching? Maybe people who had not voted have now voted.
I think you may also find that many of the Jose voters voted because it was a clear choice, and they wanted LVG out rather than Jose in. Maybe, they have now considered what Jose may actually do and decided it is not for us.
That's one way to look at it, if you think he is set in his ways and can't learn new tricks.Why potentially hamstring him in his decisions? makes more sense to me to let him buy and use the players he actually wants and play the way he actually wants if you bring him in, i.e let him use the formula thats worked for him everywhere he's gone.
If you want a bloke who plays the youth and attacking football you should go out and get one that does so surely?
Another way to look at is that he could broaden his approach, add developing the youth to his skill set. There are many more upsides than downsides to giving the youth a chance; perhaps the club just need to sell the idea to him?
If we could get a bloke that develops the youth and has Mourinho's other skills, I imagine we would go for him. There isn't one out there, though.
And, no, I'm not getting involved in the 'he doesn't play attacking football' argument. I'm not sure why you have cited me on that. I never mentioned it in my post.
I never wanted Jose in the first place. Don't get me wrong, if LvG gets sacked I will be ok with him, but I would prefer LvG to succeed and for us to spend next year looking for a decent replacement, and one that will continue the policy of promoting young players and buying a mix of promising young talent and world class players. Not saying LvG has done all that, but he's definitely given many youngsters a chance (for whatever reason) and to lose that to someone who just buys and plays big name players would be a great shame.
Maybe we could start a Jose out on day one, if he comes, and keep a constant flow of negativity throughout the season. We can then compare the two threads see if there is any originality or whether people use the same posts. Bet it will contain the same posters, the LVG bashers will become the Jose bashers after the first 'smaller' team takes points of us or we don't win a particular game, or god forbid we lose to Liverpool. I would almost put money on it, but then again I am tight with money.
That would be the most sensible policy.
Do you think there were LvG bashers from day 1? I don't recall hey SR.
I still don't want him. None of our kids will be given a chance, they'll be discarded as he always does (a bit different if he signs them).
It's not even like he guarantees success given what happened this year with Chelsea. He's just as much of a risk than Poch would be except with Poch you know he'd give our kids a real go and not spend a fortune on players.
It's not even like he guarantees success given what happened this year with Chelsea. He's just as much of a risk than Poch would be except with Poch you know he'd give our kids a real go and not spend a fortune on players.
I am just a bit worried if the board is unwilling to pay off LvG's remaining contract and then Jose's higher contract which I am sure would be around 12M£ a year?!
Is the board unwilling to spend 7M£ (What I see as LvG's contract on the internet, might be wrong) + another 12 or 13M for Jose?!
I hope I am wrong and that won't be the reason to stick with the current manager or give Giggsy a chance after.. Right guys?!
Is the board unwilling to spend 7M£ (What I see as LvG's contract on the internet, might be wrong) + another 12 or 13M for Jose?!
I hope I am wrong and that won't be the reason to stick with the current manager or give Giggsy a chance after.. Right guys?!
Im sure Mourinho would prefer a mandate to promote youth over the long term, over having Abramovich buying players he doesn't want, or the madrid player power circus. Apart from the youth condition he would be in control of everything. He would love that,
I reckon he got sniff of what would be happening at old Trafford and engineered his exit, like he did at madrid, I believe once he get here his 3 year cycle will go out of the windows.
It's more likely (as a few sources seem to have said) that Mourinho's signed a pre-contract with us for next season as there was an agreement in place with Chelsea that he wouldn't manage another PL team this season. Of course that's all speculation but seems unlikely we'd be unwilling to pay off a couple of million to terminate his contract.I am just a bit worried if the board is unwilling to pay off LvG's remaining contract and then Jose's higher contract which I am sure would be around 12M£ a year?!
Is the board unwilling to spend 7M£ (What I see as LvG's contract on the internet, might be wrong) + another 12 or 13M for Jose?!
I hope I am wrong and that won't be the reason to stick with the current manager or give Giggsy a chance after.. Right guys?!
I fully believe that if he comes here this will be a genuine long term job for him, I have no idea why but my gut is screaming at me this is the move he always wanted, what way to cement yourself as even more of an all-time great than to try and beat Fergie's legacy?
See back when Sir Alex retired I thought the same, but I've changed my mind since. I think he wants to come here because of his ego to try and do better than Sir Alex (which is a great quality) but I think he'll sacrifice youth for trophies in an instant.
There were a number who knew what LVG was like from previous clubs and were fairly open about not wanting him here, same goes for Moyes, and continued their attack pretty from day 1.
My point was really about the consistent moaners, probably the same ones who joined the Moyes bandwagon, also being the Jose bashers. Analyzing every word in a press conference to see if there is something to pick on, slagging off the side being played, the formation, th use of youngsters or the subs made, the moaning if we don't beat a small team, or only beat them by one goal. There are some on here who write a single post during match like "different day, same shite". I think there are a number of Johnno's from the RAWK site on here.
Everyone allowed their own view of course, but you know each thread, the people who are going to be there first with the negative comments.
His record over the last 12 years means he is nothing like the same risk as Poch. The latter is in the Moyes category of doing decent with small teams but has never won a trophy and never played against teams whose cup final is getting a point at your ground.
The difference in risk between Mourinho and Poch is the same difference as Poch to Giggs.
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