Bayer Leverkusen vs Manchester United

How did Giggsysgirl (a belated welcome to the forum from another devotee of dishy Ryan) get to be a first team player? She joined later than me!
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>How did Giggsysgirl (a belated welcome to the forum from another devotee of dishy Ryan) get to be a first team player? She joined later than me!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it depends on the number of messages you've posted, not when you join.
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Actually, it's got something to do with sexual favours and moderators I think ... But, don't
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me on that ... ;)

Just 3 more for you GG :p
 
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Actually, it's got something to do with sexual favours and moderators I think ... But, don't
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Just 3 more for you GG :p </strong><hr></blockquote>

3 more sexual favours? :eek:
;)
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I think we must be realistic about our chances to reach the finals. This must not border on the arrogant, as we all know that football can be a strange thing at times. What have shown over the past few weeks is that ingredient called Big Match Temperament, the desire to succeed is strong.
 
Originally posted by mancred:
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Were you laughing as hard as we were when we crushed you 5-1 last year?

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This is a true story. I went and saw the last Italy-England game at an Italian coffee bar. In walks this bloke sporting a t-shirt that says England 5 - Germany 1, Gerrard, Owen, Owen, Owen, Heskey - A German. The fact that someone went to the extent of printing t-shirts for all to see is really indicative of things.

When England beats Germany, it's a big deal. That's all I ever hear about when the two are discussed. But when Germany beats England, it scarcely even registers. English arse has been kicked for so long that it is considered more of an afterthought. Certainly no one would print t-shirts to celebrate such a "momentous" occasion.
;)
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Originally posted by giggsgirl:
[QB]Sorry, The Champ, your posts are neither interesting nor well written enough for anyone to get wound up over. Whoever you support (and it could be anyone with the exception of the Mighty Red Devils)/QB]<hr></blockquote>

My intention is not to wind up. That is the farthest from my mind. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" /> However, I do like some friendly jabbing back and forth in humour. But certain posters don't seem to be able to handle that. They should realize that it is all in fun and jest. Some of my best friends are English supporters. :)

So grab a beer and drink up. :D

P.S. I'm a Munchkin. But when they're knocked out, I transfer my flag to other German teams.
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Originally posted by The Champ:
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However, I do like some friendly jabbing back and forth. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

So, that's how it is.

:eek:
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Jens - if I hold him down, you can hit him. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Livvie dear (assuming you're female and 20), you can jump on top of me anytime you want! :D

But I'd rather that Jens not hit me, I'm not into S & M. :p <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by The Champ:
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This is a true story. I went and saw the last Italy-England game at an Italian coffee bar. In walks this bloke sporting a t-shirt that says England 5 - Germany 1, Gerrard, Owen, Owen, Owen, Heskey - A German. The fact that someone went to the extent of printing t-shirts for all to see is really indicative of things.

When England beats Germany, it's a big deal. That's all I ever hear about when the two are discussed. But when Germany beats England, it scarcely even registers. English arse has been kicked for so long that it is considered more of an afterthought. Certainly no one would print t-shirts to celebrate such a "momentous" occasion.
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Yes, when England crush Germany, humiliate them in front of their own weeping fans, thrashing them with infinitely superior football, it is a fairly big deal. In fact, I've seen one or two t-shirts celebrating the victory, too.

And go on then, for the record, tell me when english arse has been kicked by Germany. And no, i won't mention the wars. Just interested.

Do you mean knocking us out on penalties in Euro 96? Boy, that was a real ass-whipping. Or how about penalties in Italia 90? Ooooh, you crushed us then, too. Or maybe you're talking about Euro 2000? Hehehe.

Or maybe when Bayern Munich crushed United in 1999? Hehehe.

By the way, Germany looked so composed and threatening against Argentina's second 11.

At home again.
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Originally posted by mancred:
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Yes, when England crush Germany, humiliate them in front of their own weeping fans, thrashing them with infinitely superior football, it is a fairly big deal. In fact, I've seen one or two t-shirts celebrating the victory, too.

And go on then, for the record, tell me when english arse has been kicked by Germany. And no, i won't mention the wars. Just interested.

Do you mean knocking us out on penalties in Euro 96? Boy, that was a real ass-whipping. Or how about penalties in Italia 90? Ooooh, you crushed us then, too. Or maybe you're talking about Euro 2000? Hehehe.

Or maybe when Bayern Munich crushed United in 1999? Hehehe.

By the way, Germany looked so composed and threatening against Argentina's second 11.

At home again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You must be desperate if you've mentioned the war. I thought we were talking about football. Besides, the only reason you escaped defeat was because of the Yanks. Have you ever heard of "Lend Lease"?

I do recall that Germany have won 3 World Cups and 3 Euros to England's 1 disputed World Cup.
Bayern Munich have won 4 Champions League trophies to Manchester United's 2. Case closed.

These conversations are really becoming benign. Can't we keep the conversation on football instead of all the mudslinging? I have nothing against the English. In fact I've even had an English girlfriend before by the name of Anita York. That's about as English as it gets. And my favourite band is Black Sabbath.

For heaven's sake, quit mentioning about the war. That's yesterday's news.

Raoul, end this thread if the discussions are about mudslinging and not about football.
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On a different note: We won convincingly on the road, and Bayer lost to Werder Bremen at home. :D
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>On a different note: We won convincingly on the road, and Bayer lost to Werder Bremen at home. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>


Yes, but Leverkusen is still at the top of the Bundesliga while you're 3rd behind the hated scousers.
:p :)
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Originally posted by The Champ:
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Yes, but Leverkusen is still at the top of the Bundesliga while you're 3rd behind the hated scousers.
:p :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

But your lead was cut to 2 points. Now there is an immense pressure on you not to feck up in the last minute again like you did vs. Unterhaching in 2000.
You have to win against Nürnberg at the weekend and before this there is only the small matter of playing Manchester United at Old Trafford on wednesday in the semi finals of the Champions League.
Bayer has not the same experience and is not so used to this pressure than we are.
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Originally posted by The Champ:
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You must be desperate if you've mentioned the war. I thought we were talking about football. Besides, the only reason you escaped defeat was because of the Yanks. Have you ever heard of "Lend Lease"?

I do recall that Germany have won 3 World Cups and 3 Euros to England's 1 disputed World Cup.
Bayern Munich have won 4 Champions League trophies to Manchester United's 2. Case closed.

These conversations are really becoming benign. Can't we keep the conversation on football instead of all the mudslinging? I have nothing against the English. In fact I've even had an English girlfriend before by the name of Anita York. That's about as English as it gets. And my favourite band is Black Sabbath.

For heaven's sake, quit mentioning about the war. That's yesterday's news.

Raoul, end this thread if the discussions are about mudslinging and not about football.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Champ, clearly you read sarcasm into my "i won't mention the wars" that wasn't there. i agree that it is juvenile (are you sure you meant "benign"?) to do so. I'm married to a German and have long been embarrassed by England football fans who mention it. that's why i asked for a serious account of when Germany has "kicked english ass".

yes, you've won more world cups than us (twice as west germany of course, which arguably adds to the achievement), and bayern have won twice as many european cups as united.

but really, does this constitute "english ass" that you kicked? i thought there were one or two other teams that played in the world cup. and with regards to the European cup... as you're talking of "english ass", why are you not adding the european cups of liverpool and notts forest to the list of english european cup winners?

as for england's "disputed" world cup win... who is talking about "yesterday's news" now? read through your posts for the glaring contradictions before posting. it will save you some time, as well as face.

your other bit of revisionist history -- "land lease". i'll let that one go. clearly your ignorance isn't just football-related, but as this is a football forum, i'll leave it with a simple instruction for you to go back and re-read your history books. (the "re" part of "re-read" is me being generous to you.)

good luck on wednesday. you'll need it: the smart money is on german ass, not english, receiving a kicking this time.
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your other bit of revisionist history -- "land lease". i'll let that one go. clearly your ignorance isn't just football-related, but as this is a football forum, i'll leave it with a simple instruction for you to go back and re-read your history books. (the "re" part of "re-read" is me being generous to you.)<hr></blockquote>
Are there really people like you out there who deny how much Britain depended on American help? (Sorry Raoul)
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Originally posted by mikhail:
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Are there really people like you out there who deny how much Britain depended on American help? (Sorry Raoul)</strong><hr></blockquote>

i didn't say that.
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The same tee-shirt was seen down here in N.Z. at a Kingz game. we'll beat the BL with ease for two reasons
1. The scousers ran them close, scoring 3 times and they are a useless bunch of tossers who can not create, but set out bore the opposion into submission.
2. I've booked flights to Glasgow, to go and see the boys kick Real's arses.
The score at OT will be 3-0, tie over <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Originally posted by mancred:
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Champ, clearly you read sarcasm into my "i won't mention the wars" that wasn't there. i agree that it is juvenile (are you sure you meant "benign"?) to do so. I'm married to a German and have long been embarrassed by England football fans who mention it. that's why i asked for a serious account of when Germany has "kicked english ass".

yes, you've won more world cups than us (twice as west germany of course, which arguably adds to the achievement), and bayern have won twice as many european cups as united.

but really, does this constitute "english ass" that you kicked? i thought there were one or two other teams that played in the world cup. and with regards to the European cup... as you're talking of "english ass", why are you not adding the european cups of liverpool and notts forest to the list of english european cup winners?

as for england's "disputed" world cup win... who is talking about "yesterday's news" now? read through your posts for the glaring contradictions before posting. it will save you some time, as well as face.

your other bit of revisionist history -- "land lease". i'll let that one go. clearly your ignorance isn't just football-related, but as this is a football forum, i'll leave it with a simple instruction for you to go back and re-read your history books. (the "re" part of "re-read" is me being generous to you.)

good luck on wednesday. you'll need it: the smart money is on german ass, not english, receiving a kicking this time.</strong><hr></blockquote>


First of all, I do mean benign. Perhaps you should grab a dictionary to look up what it means.

Secondly, what do I mean by "kicking English arse"? I am talking specifically about national team competitions. I do recall that I typed WC and Euros (get some glasses). That said, Germany have virtually owned England from after WC66 to Euro2000. And specifically between the Munchkins vs ManUre. The 4 CL titles is more than 2.

Thirdly, I suggest you pull out those history books (and don't forget to buy those glasses). It's "Lend Lease", not "Land Lease", which was America providing the arms and supplies to allow England to fight. This is clearly documented and understood. Further confirmed by PM Tony Blair's statements of supporting Bush in war as America had done for Britain in WWII.

Finally, good luck to you also. Remember, this is a 2 game series. May the best team win.
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So..........are we going to talk about the actual game. This thread is getting boring. I don't want to hear about The Champ's sex life when the title of the thread is "Beyer Leverkusen v Manchester United," which is wrong to begin with :rolleyes:

Someone start up a serious predictions and analysis thread if it's not done already.
 
Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
<strong>So..........are we going to talk about the actual game. This thread is getting boring. I don't want to hear about The Champ's sex life when the title of the thread is "Beyer Leverkusen v Manchester United," which is wrong to begin with :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by Kinky Melinky:
<strong>So..........are we going to talk about the actual game. This thread is getting boring. I don't want to hear about The Champ's sex life when the title of the thread is "Beyer Leverkusen v Manchester United," which is wrong to begin with :rolleyes:

Someone start up a serious predictions and analysis thread if it's not done already.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You heard the man. I have been making the same requests but idiots keep degenerating the topic of football into mudslinging irrelevance.

Here's my lineup:

Leverkusen 4-5-1

......................Butt

............Nowotny..........Lucio
...Sebescen......................Placente

Schneider............Ramelow..........Ze Roberto
................Ballack....Basturk

................Berbatov/Neuville

Man Utd 4-4-2

.............Van Nistelrooy..Solskjaer

Giggs........Veron...........Butt.......Scholes

Silvestre.....Blanc.........Brown.....G Neville

....................Barthez

Personally I consider Bayer04 to be the underdogs and dark horse of the competition. But they said the same thing about Borussia Dortmund in 97 when the beat Man Utd and Juventus to the title.
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Originally posted by The Champ:
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Man Utd 4-4-2

.............Van Nistelrooy..Solskjaer

Giggs........Veron...........Butt.......Scholes

Silvestre.....Blanc.........Brown.....G Neville

....................Barthez
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I would be happy with that lineup.
It's important to close down Leverkusen's left side, so we need to give Gary some defensive support. Scholes can do that much better than, say, OGS.
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Originally posted by The Champ:
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First of all, I do mean benign. Perhaps you should grab a dictionary to look up what it means.

Secondly, what do I mean by "kicking English arse"? I am talking specifically about national team competitions. I do recall that I typed WC and Euros (get some glasses). That said, Germany have virtually owned England from after WC66 to Euro2000. And specifically between the Munchkins vs ManUre. The 4 CL titles is more than 2.

Thirdly, I suggest you pull out those history books (and don't forget to buy those glasses). It's "Lend Lease", not "Land Lease", which was America providing the arms and supplies to allow England to fight. This is clearly documented and understood. Further confirmed by PM Tony Blair's statements of supporting Bush in war as America had done for Britain in WWII.

Finally, good luck to you also. Remember, this is a 2 game series. May the best team win.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I know what benign means, but from your inappropriate use of it, I wasn't sure you did. But your English is infinitely better, alas, than my German, so I'll shut up.

Also, well done on spotting my spelling error. I also know what Lend Lease was. But crediting it with winning WW2 for the allies is absurd -- a bit like pretending the US won the Gulf War because of France's support, or the financial assistance of banks in the City. Or, in football terms, that United are the power they are because of Martin Edwards and his financial acumen. Part of the story, but not all of it, by any means.

As for Germany "owning" England... Is it any wonder there was such rejoicing in England (and elsewhere) following Germany's humiliation last year, when you speak with such astonishing arrogance?

Sincerely, I wish you all the best. If Bayer beat us over the two legs, I'll cheer for them in the final. But for the sake of your bruised ego, I hope tonight is not too crushing or humiliating.
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Line Ups according to TV3 Norway who sends the game live and has 45min long talk thing before the game

Man Utd
Barthez - Neville, Veron, Blanc, Butt, van Nistelrooy, Giggs, Scholes, Solskjær, Brown, Silvestre.

Bench
Carroll, Irwin, Neville, Keane, Forlán, Stewart, O'Shea

Bayer Leverkusen
Butt - Nowotny, Zivkovic, Zé Roberto, Yildiray Bastürk, Berbatov, Ballack, Lucio, Schneider, Ramelow, Placente.

Bench
Juric, Babic, Kirsten, Vranjes, Sebescen, Neuville, Kleine
 
Well, I'm off home now, get my red shirt on, down the pub and hoping for a good night.

CMON United, United, United........... <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

Let's stuff em! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>get my red shirt on </strong><hr></blockquote>

Had mine on all-day, as I do every match day... supersticious ;) <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
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Originally posted by blythy:
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Had mine on all-day, as I do every match day... supersticious ;) <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I have to work in shirt and tie, and it's too hot here for me to put a United top underneath so I'll have to take a slight divesion to the flat before going to the pub!
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(Deja Vu) This is brilliant - I'm watching the German terrestrial TV coverage and they have a half hour preview walking around OT and they are waxing lyrical about everything United - they love the grass, the stadium, the team, the fans everything. I can feel it man, I can feel it. They are in awe. This is how it should be.
 
Anyone got a radio link - I want to watch this match in English not German.

Dankebloodyschon
 
ok, it's time for me to change OUT of my Giggs shirt, fold my "you are my Ole Solskjaer..." t-shirt and place it on the back of the armchair i have to sit in and not let my friend through the door till half time coz that's how it went in the QF's!

i like to think i play my part :p

COME ON YOU REDS!!!
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