Same. I do however have a soft spot for this show and I tend to watch Band of Brothers once every year. Also rewatched Spartacus, which was fripping epic second time round.
Battlestar Gallactica.
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Same. I do however have a soft spot for this show and I tend to watch Band of Brothers once every year. Also rewatched Spartacus, which was fripping epic second time round.
I'm halfway through Series 2. Still can't get over the scenes where Gaius looks like he's randomly chugging one out due to No.6 
What prophet says is true - I can't remember whether it was a special feature, directors commentary or an interview I read somewhere but Ron Moore said that
the idea of Ellen Tigh as the last of the final five was basically something that occurred to them after they'd invented the concept, revealed the four who they unmasked for the season 3 finale, and then were trying between season 3 and 4 to figure out who to make the Cylon leader
I liked a lot of the early writing - a lot of the characters weren't written to be likable or detestable. You reacted to them based on the way that you saw the world (especially in a lot of the early Roslin v Adama conflicts). Got stale as it went along, and the ending was a nonsensical clusterfeck. That said, still love it, and is comfortably in my top 3 sci fi shows (Firefly, Stargate SG-1).
I don't know how I'd have reacted to the show had I watched it at the time with the spacing that occurred at the time - most of the reason I got into it is because I love all the space fighter pilot stuff (big Star Wars fan) and that became basically non existent after the second season.
Agreed. I've been reading some of the reaction to the finale that I'd avoided for fear of spoilers, and the main complaint seems to be that the writers "copped out" with the whole divine plan conclusion. I don't really think so though, the divine/destiny/etc aspect of the story was present for a long time imo. It ended almost exactly how I expected it to actually, with the exception of the "forget technology, let's start over" thing which was hard to believe.
I was surprised at how strongly it vilified science after, as niMic said, keeping a steady balance for most of the series. Very bold for a sci fi show.
You could tell they were making it up as they went along. The whole 'final five being different from the others' thing wasn't alluded to at all in the first seasons. They had basically run out of characters they could make enemy cylons. So they had to make them different enemy cylons.
I'm not sure how I felt about them being on early earth.. It's an obvious thing often done in sci-fi. I was more annoyed at Kara being some angel/ghost thing. That was just downright annoying, although again they couldn't explain it any other way.
I'm not sure how I felt about them being on early earth.. It's an obvious thing often done in sci-fi. I was more annoyed at Kara being some angel/ghost thing. That was just downright annoying, although again they couldn't explain it any other way.
Exactly how I feel about it. There is no way I could ever watch this series again. I wish I had never seen the final season itself because I absolutely loved the seasons before it.
Yeap I feel the same, it was a decent show.
The ending totally spoilt the whole thing, I deleted it all and I will never watch it again.
Mt best Sci-Fi series is Babylon 5 and it was running it a very close second until the last EP.
For me I gave up caring at the 'all along the watchtower' EVERYONESSSSS A CYLON LOL part, it had declined in quality before that but it was tolerable. After that moment it was a chore to finish it, the ending was just the final turdy nail in the bullshit coffin
What are the chances of all of them actually being connected to Galactica?
Well, doesn't actually matter, when God's on the case.
Well, doesn't actually matter, when God's on the case.
While i didnt like the ending, the point up till it was amazing - in particular i dont think i've ever seen 4 better episodes of sci-fi in my life: season 2 episodes 10-13 with the Pegasus and that episode after they escape from new Caprica in season 3 and start executing people who betrayed them, some of the best episodes i've ever seen.
The final 5? Only two were directly connected from memory. That they all managed to survive the initial attack (against Cavil's intentions) was a bit more convenient though, yeah.
Baltar remains one of my favourite characters from anything though.
She was literally a deus ex machina.
Just watching the pilot. I'm not sure I can get past this 'fack' situation. Can't someone digitally add some real fecks in or something?
Baltar/6 angel versions definitely aren't. Baltar is typically a Chekhov's gun.
Kara, dunno. I think that some strange things started happening with her since season 3. Her weird relation with that religious cylon, then a prophecy she hears on one of the cylon ships (was it something like you will bring destruction to humanity which in the end happened though on a more different way by getting mixed with cylons after she lead humans to Earth).
Sure mate. Frak, Frak, Frak.
She took my frakking chield.
Do you know what I wanna do? I wanna frak.
Happy?
I'm not sure it's my cup of tea anyway, but shall persevere with a few episodes before frakking it off.
Well, drink some ambrosia while you watch it and it will look better.
She was an instrument sent by a "god" who managed to save everyone when seconds from certain death by plucking some numbers out of her arse. There's not really an example of a deus ex machina that fits more with its Greek origin. Her character as a whole was much better than that though, I agree, just her resolution and its implications that were a bit rubbish.
I think they wrote themselves into a bit of a corner, they kind explored the other options at the end of previous seasons, how could they finish with New Caprica 2.0 or Earth is a scarred slag heap ruined by a war between humans and cylons (season 3 ?).
I don't see how people can moan about the angels did it angle, becuase the show from the get go it had a religious element, iirc the original show was Mormons in space. The whole point of the monologue at the end was that they didn't really do shit, they can only push people along a bit in the right direction, the cyclical nature of self destruction is free will and what they are agents against.
While I'm always disappointed when shit doesn't get resolved cleanly (Starbuck), sometimes a clean and tidy explanation for every little thing is a bit sterile and boring. I think there will always be people unhappy with how the ending is, no matter how it was done, I still think Wayne should have died in TDKR, for example.
The ending is barely relevant though, int he grand scheme of things, as a whole series it's awesome and I doubt we'll see anything of it's ilk, anytime soon.
I don't see how people can moan about the angels did it angle, becuase the show from the get go it had a religious element, iirc the original show was Mormons in space. The whole point of the monologue at the end was that they didn't really do shit, they can only push people along a bit in the right direction, the cyclical nature of self destruction is free will and what they are agents against.
While I'm always disappointed when shit doesn't get resolved cleanly (Starbuck), sometimes a clean and tidy explanation for every little thing is a bit sterile and boring. I think there will always be people unhappy with how the ending is, no matter how it was done, I still think Wayne should have died in TDKR, for example.
The ending is barely relevant though, int he grand scheme of things, as a whole series it's awesome and I doubt we'll see anything of it's ilk, anytime soon.
My main problem with the ending is that (as mentioned before, so sorry to repeat myself) the writers had placed breadcrumbs throughout which suggested that many of the story threads had real depth, meaning and were going somewhere surprising. Starbuck, for instance, had many portents which suggested something very intelligent and complex and each new twist and turn upped the stakes. And then the writers seemed to forget all about this (again, proving that they were making it up as they go along) and just gave as the deus ex machina. What I never understand with series of this length, is that the writers tend to engage quite a lot with the audience and therefore any chimp with a typewriter could either (a) give the audience exactly what they want or (b) pull the rug from under their feet and blow their minds with an ending they could never have expected. But invariably, with most series, the finale is a huge disappointment (Dexter the most recent example) and it's just unforgivable.
Similarly, I wouldn't agree that a terrible ending doesn't ruin all that's gone before. It doesn't matter how brilliant something is, you throw the "it was all a dream" or "god did it" ending at it, and it negates everything that's gone before. It's like deciding the Lost Prophets are still okay after Ian Watkins. Okay, that's an extreme analogy, but you get my meaning!
I think it's just systemic of modern day story telling, that questions are greater than answers.
And it's because of this, that writers basically pussy out at the final hurdle, because you've set yourself up for a big fall, you've posed all these questions that have got people hooked into what happens next in the show.
Instead of a paying that off as you go along, you chose to go further down the rabbit hole, by asking more questions. Because answers in their raw form are basically pretty mundane when it's all said and done, usually someone did x for reason y. But with the more and more mystery angle, well shit it could be anything and it's that endless possibility that's exciting.
Eventually, each time you are getting slightly more bizarre, until you get to critical mass point with your audience, literally nothing you can come up with will satisfy 100% of the people because you've become so convoluted/dense, that you will either sell short or shit the bed with craziness.
Selling short is the safer option, familiarity is generally what the people want, I say all the time that I prefer a dark conclusion to a tale, but deep down I know, I loves me a super happy ending. For example one possible, go big or go home option, of the top of my head, was that all humanity/ clyons are engineered by a third party because it's fun to watch them struggle, can you imagine the shit storm that would have caused ?
Actually, that's not even that far away from the ending we got, it's just a matter of window dressing really and God/Alien/ProtoHuman turning up to explain shit.
I see where you're going with the Lost Prophets angle, bit extreme as the ending didn't molest any children, but I get what you're trying to express. I disagree, my counter analogy would be, if a man saves a person from getting hit by a bus, but then later kills a family pet for fun, is the former act now also an act of evil because of the latter? I'd maybe hold fire on the key to city and what not, but not all things are tainted in context with later act, is my point.
For me personally, as someone who mostly liked the ending, no crime was committed at all so both analogies kind fall apart at that point. Opinions are subjective, I never really got why people even like Babylon 5, but to each their own I guess.
And it's because of this, that writers basically pussy out at the final hurdle, because you've set yourself up for a big fall, you've posed all these questions that have got people hooked into what happens next in the show.
Instead of a paying that off as you go along, you chose to go further down the rabbit hole, by asking more questions. Because answers in their raw form are basically pretty mundane when it's all said and done, usually someone did x for reason y. But with the more and more mystery angle, well shit it could be anything and it's that endless possibility that's exciting.
Eventually, each time you are getting slightly more bizarre, until you get to critical mass point with your audience, literally nothing you can come up with will satisfy 100% of the people because you've become so convoluted/dense, that you will either sell short or shit the bed with craziness.
Selling short is the safer option, familiarity is generally what the people want, I say all the time that I prefer a dark conclusion to a tale, but deep down I know, I loves me a super happy ending. For example one possible, go big or go home option, of the top of my head, was that all humanity/ clyons are engineered by a third party because it's fun to watch them struggle, can you imagine the shit storm that would have caused ?
Actually, that's not even that far away from the ending we got, it's just a matter of window dressing really and God/Alien/ProtoHuman turning up to explain shit.
I see where you're going with the Lost Prophets angle, bit extreme as the ending didn't molest any children, but I get what you're trying to express. I disagree, my counter analogy would be, if a man saves a person from getting hit by a bus, but then later kills a family pet for fun, is the former act now also an act of evil because of the latter? I'd maybe hold fire on the key to city and what not, but not all things are tainted in context with later act, is my point.
For me personally, as someone who mostly liked the ending, no crime was committed at all so both analogies kind fall apart at that point. Opinions are subjective, I never really got why people even like Babylon 5, but to each their own I guess.
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They've been trying to get this off the ground for years. I was dead against it, but it's been twenty years since the last one (really), so why not?
A threeboot.
Sorry, @duffer thinks the reimagined series is bad? What an objectively terrible opinion.
I actually ended up giving it another chance and overall really enjoyed it (last few episodes aside)
I maintain that the use of "frack" so often was ridiculous.
Loved the show, was my favorite show of all time.
Rewatched it last year, and it has really not aged well. I did not remember it being so full of cliches and awful acting, but it is just one step above SG1 in that aspect. Gaius and No. 6 dialogues were still as irritating as back then, despite that both of them were some of the best actors in the show. Saying that, I enjoyed the show for the first 2 and a half seasons but after leaving New Caprica, the show goes to shit.
Still interested for the reboot though. As long as they sufficiently change it to make it unpredictable.
Rewatched it last year, and it has really not aged well. I did not remember it being so full of cliches and awful acting, but it is just one step above SG1 in that aspect. Gaius and No. 6 dialogues were still as irritating as back then, despite that both of them were some of the best actors in the show. Saying that, I enjoyed the show for the first 2 and a half seasons but after leaving New Caprica, the show goes to shit.
Still interested for the reboot though. As long as they sufficiently change it to make it unpredictable.
Loved it until the religious angle led by that really annoying character weared me down and i stopped watching. Dunno if I missed out on anything toward the end.
Please dont.