Bastian Schweinsteiger

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Giggs lasting until 40, and Scholes until 36 is an exception, not a rule. One of the reasons they lasted that much was their natural fitness, but they also took great care, training regime, food, desire to play.. just because Giggs, or Javier Zanetti can do it, doesn't mean that every top player could do it.

Also we are not talking about just getting a player, we are buying him. Is it worth the risk to pay 30 years old, albeit world class player, when for that money you could get Strootman, who is almost as good. Or you could add money, and try to get Vidal / Pogba or maybe even Kroos. I still think Kroos is a better option of the two.

That said, depending on the money United has available for Van Gaal for this summer, I am not saying that we should NOT get him, I just think we should try to get other players first..

Also I don't actually think that Bayern would sell him in the first place, so this is just more of a "what if"...

P.S. Also have in mind that the fact that club sign's him doesn't mean he is actually fit enough to play for the next 4+ years, remember Hargreaves ? He had an injury in Bayern, returned to fitness, played one great season for United and then he's career was over...

I agree with this. I think we need to sign player with something to prove and not who their best days are behind them. For me might be a good stopgap but those other potential younger signings just move further away from us, and this is the problem with this type of signing. We should have learned from the Pogba v scholes situation.
 
I agree with this. I think we need to sign player with something to prove and not who their best days are behind them. For me might be a good stopgap but those other potential younger signings just move further away from us, and this is the problem with this type of signing. We should have learned from the Pogba situation......

So because he's 29 he has nothing to prove and is past it?

What about coming to a new club, in a new league, or coming to a club battling to get back into the top 4?

Young players are all well and good. As it is you might not get anymore than 4 or 5 years out of them if they move on anyway.

The best squads have a mix of players. We lack top class players with experience, and leaders in the middle - he would address that.

You should look at what bringing RVP did to the team. Not the youngest, injury issues and it was a master stroke.
 
So because he's 29 he has nothing to prove and is past it?

What about coming to a new club, in a new league, or coming to a club battling to get back into the top 4?

Young players are all well and good. As it is you might not get anymore than 4 or 5 years out of them if they move on anyway.

The best squads have a mix of players. We lack top class players with experience, and leaders in the middle - he would address that.

You should look at what bringing RVP did to the team. Not the youngest, injury issues and it was a master stroke.

Yes, I don't think he has anything to prove more than a younger player that's trying to forge a career. Those things are applicable but this situation appears to be forced on him. More default than design. Now, if Bayern are offering him a new contract and he turns it down to come here or had offers elsewhere then you'll have a point and that's where it would be then same as the RVP signing. RVP had things to prove cause he'd never won the PL even though he'd played most of his career in it.

Cesc was surplus to requirements at Barca. Who's he trying to kid about comments like "unfinished business"? I'm sure he'd sooner stayed at Barca, and thats what I mean about motivation to move. Schweinsteiger signing would be no different IMO....

I agree with balance but I believe we have experience in the squad. What we are missing is young quality players in the centre. It's a concern about his injuries cause this league is less forgiving than Germany, and its found out many a player who's played their football elsewhere.

More so than anything else, the Pogba's, Vidals, Kroos and Stootman players don't become available very often, and I believe next seasons if not signed this year, they will be at the Reals, Barca and PSG's of this world.

Good signing if we are looking at bringing in one of those players too....
 
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anyone who thinks bringing in Bastian is a bad idea is MENTAL end of.
Have you all go that short of a memory after 4 games of a world cup to remember what happened last season.
We could play 4 - 1 - 2 next season with bastian as the only one in midfield and is would be an improvement.
Plus he would immediately improve us leaving VanGaal a bit of breathing room to bring in younger players over the next 2 seasons for the future.

I don't think may think it's a 'bad' idea, just not the 'best' idea.
Someone younger with something to prove, who can improve us right now and still keep improving as an individual in the next few years, to keep the team competitive and without need to buy again for a while.

Would Schweinsteiger improve us? Without doubt. It's a crucial season this next one. So the here and now matters more than anything, but why not kill two birds with one stone, even if it costs a bit more?

If we were to bring in someone younger alongside him I'd say it was a pretty successful summer in terms of sorting out the midfield. but on his own, I'd worry that it wasn't the best option.

From the club's point of view going for someone younger probably makes more sense, but if Van Gaal has been given freedom to sign who he wants only, then we'd have to trust him.
 
Apparently he was flown by helicopter to a hospital for a scan on his knee. According to German FA it was at request of FIFA but who knows.
 
Apparently he was flown by helicopter to a hospital for a scan on his knee. According to German FA it was at request of FIFA but who knows.

No. It was just a normal procedure that every player who has been injured in a special period prior to the tournament has to do out of insurance reasons. Since 2 or 3 years there is the "Lex Robben" - the FIFA pays an insurance with which the FIFA pays the wages if a player gets injured during competitions and international matches. Neuer and Lahm already did that when they went earlier home from the training camp (the Germans had a 2 day break last week between the two test matches). At Schweinsteiger they forgot it??? Seems like they had to do it to keep the insurance intact. Schweinsteiger did the usual training this afternoon.
 
Apparently his contract is up in the summer and he has no intention to extend? Is this right?

If so we should offer him a three year contract.
 
I don't think he'll leave this summer, but I wouldn't rule it out that he left on a free in 2016. He said a few times that he would like to play abroad, so why not take the chance towards the end of his career. Now that he won the CL with Bayern and the World Cup, it's probably easier to go than it was before.
 
He has been getting injured a lot lately though, it will be a good move, but i don't trust players in their 30s anymore especially legends
 
He's experienced and has the ability but I'm not sure about him here. He's not appeared much in the past year and I doubt he'll produce the displays of the past. We should be going for someone younger and with the drive.
 
We must look for younger and not injury-prone players.

He should stay at Bayern for the rest of his career.

I agree, Bastian has been a great CM but at his age and with his injury issues we'd be made to buy him at this point, we should be looking for a CM we can get a decade out of.
 
The very few times I've seen him this season, he's looked a shadow of his former self. Can do a job as an anchor but no longer as a box-to-box midfielder IMO, at the very top level.
 
The very few times I've seen him this season, he's looked a shadow of his former self.
But that has reasons....

- His post-injury from the World Cup (He had a few injuries in the last years too)
- He has won everything in the last two years
- He has a new girl. To end his long-term relationship with Ms Brandner was surely not easy and now he has a even more famous girlfriend (He was with Ana in Australia during the winter break)
- His football relationship with Xabi Alonso hasn't worked so far (Schweinsteiger and Xabi Alonso are the new "Gerrard and Lampard")
 
We must look for younger and not injury-prone players.

He should stay at Bayern for the rest of his career.

We are the kind of team that can take a financial risk, though, and:

------------Rooney---------
Winger-Mata/Herrera-DiMaria
-------Blind-Schweinsteiger

could be scary on the break in big games if we look to just have a solid back 6 and score on the break.

Definitely wouldn't be my first choice, but I do think he'd help us in the CL and against other big teams in England.

That said, Luiz Gustavo totally marked him out of the game, easily, against Wolfsburg, and his wages would be massive. He should probably just go to Madrid. They need an adult in midfield.
 
LVG will reschweinsteiger him and play him as a wing back.

Would love him here obviously. Great player but is being plagued by injuries right now unfortunately.
 
We should be building a squad for the future and as much as I love Schweinsteiger he's definitely not that, we have Carrick for experience in Midfield, I want us to be aiming for higher than Schwein like Pogba and actually creating a young fresh hungry energetic squad.
 
I have not been impressed by his performances in the last few Bayern games, I would rather get someone younger and in his prime than invest in Bastian whos turning 31 this August.
 
Schweinsteiger isn't done yet. That is just silly. I just get the feeling that there are more and more people don't know what kind of player he actually is. He is not a "classic" b2b midfielder. He never was and never will be. He turned into a worldclass player when LvG used him in central midfield next to vanBommel. After Bommel left he played with Gustavo and Martinez, classic defensive midfielder/tough guys, while he was primarily the deep-lying playmaker. His primary task always was to control the pace of the game (he got lots of stick for it from bayern/german fans; almost like Carrick) and to play the ball out of the defence. In the CL final against Dortmund he was the guy, that was dropping next to the CBs to play the opening pass.
Playing in this central position with a classic DM next to him he had the freedom to go forward a couple of times per match like a b2b midfielder. He is a very complete player so this really added something to his game, but that was not his primary task. It was the icing on the cake.

Defensively he is a very smart and committed player. While Bommel, Martinez or Gustavo did the hustling, he was able to cover ground, make interceptions or help other players. His defensive work in this role is massive but often unnoticed. His decision-making is fantastic.

Since Pep took over he has to play a different role. He plays ahead/with a classic anchor (Kroos, Lahm, Alonso) in a b2b role. Maybe he can still grow into this role, but I am not so sure about this. He is a very good player, but I doubt that he can show is very best in this position.
 
Since Pep took over he has to play a different role. He plays ahead/with a classic anchor (Kroos, Lahm, Alonso) in a b2b role. Maybe he can still grow into this role, but I am not so sure about this. He is a very good player, but I doubt that he can show is very best in this position.
It's quite simple actually. Once Lahm, Martinez or Thiago are back, we rotate Alonso and Schweinsteiger. It has to be one of them, never both together.
 
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