If Rooney remains captain he will start games even when he's out of form which is worrying.
get use to it. He's the only striker we have.Bastian Schweinsteiger | Signed for MUFC - confirmed.
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get use to it. He's the only striker we have.LVG says Memphis can play as striker.
You're right, I was one of the giddy ones when we signed Falcao too. And I think you can rightfully worry about Schweiny's injury record as well. But looking and comparing the two situations, I think we're taking a much smaller risk this time. Falcao was directly coming off a very long term injury as well as not having impressed in his French tenure. Schweiny on the other hand had a major injury only early last season, came back from it and performed like he usually does, in a major league
Of course the risk factor still applies, but we're getting a currently excellent player for far less money.
Mind you, I might reconsider my optimism if we don't add Schneiderlin to the mix as well. But I think that's essentially a done deal as well and there's nothing to suggest that is a case of either/or.
Watch the WC final and repeat the part with the knackered midfielder.
This guy has the heart and attitude we've been missing for a while. Determination is what makes the difference. He will never lay down and roll over for any opponent. On top of that he'll drag the knackered players over the finishing line.
I hated him for Bayern because of all these attributes. I'd love him if he showed a fraction of his heart and willpower for us.
What new tricks does he need to learn? He is world cup winner ffs. It is not like we are picking up someone from the MLS to play for us. Some of you lot need to lighten up a bit. We are signing Bastian fkng Schweinsteiger. Never in my wildest dream did I think it would be possible. He is a leader and a proven winner apart from being a fantastic player. What else do you want?
Swap "Falcao" for "Schweinsteiger" in that post and it would be a carbon copy of loads of posts at about this time last summer. Hence the concern for some of us.
People here actually thinks that an incredibly accomplished player with one of the most impressive CV in the world is not good enough because he is apparently slightly overage?
I bloody hope every employer out there thinks like you all. I hope they would all prefer a young person with not much experience to someone who had been one of the best in the business. It's nice to see people thinking that experience means nothing in the workforce, and being young is all that counts. Now please go out and tell your employers the same because it's fecking tough job market out there for the young people nowadays.
I bloody hope every employer out there thinks like you all. I hope they would all prefer a young person with not much experience to someone who had been one of the best in the business. It's nice to see people thinking that experience means nothing in the workforce, and being young is all that counts. Now please go out and tell your employers the same because it's fecking tough job market out there for the young people nowadays.
Having seen him at the world cup, I really doubt if his performance is declining. He was injured for large parts till November and Pep used a combination which worked for him. Thus he played less.
Only thing I hope for is that this transfer doesn't hamper our Schneiderlin negotiations, get them both and it's amazing piece of business.
Difference is Schweinsteiger hasn't had a bad injury and been rushed back, nor has he been in a shitty league playing for a shitty team with little to no competition. Further and probably most importantly he has been in good form and will be playing for a manager who knows him inside out.
Take into account that Schweini played a full World Cup the summer before last season.
Why do people keep saying this? They've offered him a contract trying to get him to stay.
Falcao was coming off the back of two horrendous injuries which really hampered him. Our service to him was poor and he also did not have any sort of preseason with us. I can understand the concerns but what I don't understand are statements like "teaching new tricks to an old dog". Bundesliga is more technical than the PL and is quite a physical league. Schweinsteiger will not have any problems adjusting here.
Remember how good the old codger Carrick has been over the last 3/4 years? That's the same age (and position) as Schweinsteiger. Then remember that Schweinsteiger is and has been a level up from Carrick. I will take that!
Two completely different scenarios.
Not at Bayern's stadium today according to Bild
Falcao had a career threatening knee injury that he's never really recovered from. Hardly the same situation. Yes we all thought he would be good for us, but it from seeing his performances week in week out you could tell he wasn't close to the same player. Pretty sure Schweinsteiger has been playing to a very high level the past season.
Injuries, age, decline, boring topics. Can we talk about Bastian's legs for a minute?
Serious leg game. His calves have calves of their own.
Serious leg game. His calves have calves of their own.
But maybe you should compare their winnings for club and country and the influence they can have in the position they play. Not even distantly comparable.
And Falcao was a risk worth taking IMO.
The concern is fair enough but one has to consider that Schweinsteiger fits in perfectly with lvg's philosophy. It's not easy to find established players who are already suited to the style of play the manager wants. Also that he will bring composure and leadership to our midfield both of which people moaned about last season. And none of those will be provided by Schniederlin who will give other qualities and hopefully we sign him too.
Totally different skillsets for me which is why I'm not worried about his age at all.
Great midfielders are like fine wine.
Did he not play in any of Bayerns big games?
I don't see how this can be a bad signing in any way possible. We're getting one of the best midfielders in the world in his prime years for a cheap price and cheap wages. If it doesn't work out then so be it, but this is a low risk, high reward move.
Not to mention Scholes and Keane. We went through this earlier in the thread as well. 31 is a good age for a central midfielder. I can name loads of top class midfielders who remained at the top after crossing 30.
Would be interested to hear of similar examples where a previously top quality central midfielder lost his way after hitting 30.
I might add to the fire by saying that he'll be 31 by the time he plays for us for the first time. :P
Come on, Xavi was still magic last season at time at 35, Pirlo had one of the best Euro tournaments at 35, Scholes was 34 when he won the Champions League with us in Moscow after great season, Gerrard was pivotal for Liverpool in their title campaign (slip aside) last season at 34 while Zidane only went to Real Madrid at 29 and kept going strong for the next 5 years. You can expect the best midfielders to still be good well past 30. If we add Schneiderlin to the team as well then Schweinsteiger could be spared in some games and he wouldn't have to do as much running either, I'd be very surprised if he didn't have good 2-3 seasons with us at a very good level.
Come on, Xavi was still magic last season at time at 35, Pirlo had one of the best Euro tournaments at 35, Scholes was 34 when he won the Champions League with us in Moscow after great season, Gerrard was pivotal for Liverpool in their title campaign (slip aside) last season at 34 while Zidane only went to Real Madrid at 29 and kept going strong for the next 5 years. You can expect the best midfielders to still be good well past 30. If we add Schneiderlin to the team as well then Schweinsteiger could be spared in some games and he wouldn't have to do as much running either, I'd be very surprised if he didn't have good 2-3 seasons with us at a very good level.
What's the RAWK opinion on the Sweini deal?
Too Old, Injury Prone, Shit, The German Anderson, Not as good as Joe Allen and Couldn't lace 'Hendo's' Boots, la.
I'd imagine.
There'll be no more second-half collapses with this guy in the team.
We've lost over two thousand games of trophy-winning experience in the past two summer's.
Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher. Even the likes of Nani and soon-to-be Rafael are proven winners.
Rooney and Carrick remain. The latter of which is 34 and could well be going into his last season at the club. Adding one 31 year old player that is still very, very good is hardly a hindrance.
Schweinsteiger knows how to win, has lots to offer and can still see this move as a challenge. The squad is extremely young and could do with an older head that knows how to behave when the going gets tough; something that will be crucial if we are to challenge for trophies at the business end of the season. Criticism of this move seems more like criticism for criticism sake. The positives far outweigh any negatives.
Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher. Even the likes of Nani and soon-to-be Rafael are proven winners.
Rooney and Carrick remain. The latter of which is 34 and could well be going into his last season at the club. Adding one 31 year old player that is still very, very good is hardly a hindrance.
Schweinsteiger knows how to win, has lots to offer and can still see this move as a challenge. The squad is extremely young and could do with an older head that knows how to behave when the going gets tough; something that will be crucial if we are to challenge for trophies at the business end of the season. Criticism of this move seems more like criticism for criticism sake. The positives far outweigh any negatives.
His wages are going to be pretty high aren't they? At least according to the tabloids.
Milners better
Teddy was 31 when we signed him and he didn't do too badly. If we use Bastian well, he could have a number of good years here.
So the same as some people on here?
We could sign Messi next summer and I guarantee you some people will find something to complain about.
I must say, his wages are a bit concerning as well. Somehow we are giving a 31 year old a 3 year contract with a pay rise with bumper wages. I can see us repeating some of the same mistakes we made with Falcao, honestly.
This deal is just a bit 'meh'.
This deal is just a bit 'meh'.
Fergie doesn't do such things, He was 26.
Keane declined massively in his 30s though. So did Viera, two of the best all round centre midfielders I have ever seen and if we had signed them at the same age as we are buying Schweinsteiger we would not look back on them as good transfers.
I thought Essien would be another good example but he's only 32 now! Shocking when you consider how long it's been since he was a top player and how good he was at his peak.
edit: Christ even Milan have got rid of him and he's joining the Greek league.
I thought Essien would be another good example but he's only 32 now! Shocking when you consider how long it's been since he was a top player and how good he was at his peak.
edit: Christ even Milan have got rid of him and he's joining the Greek league.
Fecking hell he's 30 not 65.
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