Yeah most people forget the "moneyball" side of things. Wages are more of a significant factor in football now than the transfer fee's. Personally, I'd prefer Schweiny over Gundogan.
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Yeah most people forget the "moneyball" side of things. Wages are more of a significant factor in football now than the transfer fee's. Personally, I'd prefer Schweiny over Gundogan.
I would be more than happy to have him.
That said i still want a 25 year old Scheiderlin
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That said i still want a 25 year old Scheiderlin
!!No we wouldn't, not while he was still a key player in the team. We might have let him go if he wasn't good enough to start regularly anymore and wanted first team football. See Butt, P.Neville, Fletcher...
Pep binned Yaya, Etoo, Ronaldinho and Ibrahimovic.
I don't consider him as a luxury signing to be honest.
He's exactly what we need. Carrick is 3 years older and was instrumental for us this year, and quite possible be at least for the next year as well.
If we can get 3-4 years off Schweinsteiger that would be great.
Pirlo moved to Juve at the age of 32. Alonso was instrumental in Real's title and CL title past his 30's. Xavi was 30 5 years ago. Scholes was 30 in 2004, wouldn't you take all those players at the time if you had the chance?
All of those players had decent luck with injuries. They were reliable and hardly missed a game - hence why they were or are integral to their sides.
He'd be a great addition as he's a very good player, but if he's only going to be fit half the time we're no further forward. It's Carrick all over again.
If he comes in then fine, but I'd love us to sign a top player approaching his peak who's good for 40 plus games a year.
That is just weird to think about..
I believe Bastian has some good years left, and I think a new challenge would prolong his career.
I think it's more to do with showing respect to a club legend who's won everything there is to win with Bayern. If he does want to try a new adventure, I doubt there will be any grudges.
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We still have Carrick for a year.
If we get him we will have Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Mata, Blind, Carrick, Fellaini, AdM for 2 or 3 positions.
I'd prefer quality over quantity all day and besides, how many people wanted Gundogan, who had worse condition and is more questionable, although young if he will be again at the same level?
Bar last year, Schweinsteiger has played no less than 36 games per season. I wouldn't call that half fit...
He made a point in his interview a couple of days back that he wants to play a lot. I think with guardiola being this midfield reliant manager cannot afford to play Alonso and schweini together as they have 0 chemistry with each other. Meaning he is going to be benched a lot.
Plus for some reason I don't think pep rates him as highly as loew van gaal and heyneckes rate him. I maybe wrong of course but that's the impression I get
My point was that the players you're referring to were regularly fit. Players get less fit (generally) as they get older and signing a bloke who has had injury problems the preceding season when you are desperate for some consistent quality in the spine of the side might not be wise. You can't say "barring last year" when last year is likely to a have bearing on where he is fitness wise this year and in years to come.
Having loads of players to play in that position is irrelevant. If we had enough quality in central midfield we wouldnt be looking for more players there anyway.
This has the potential to be another Hargreaves. Sign a player on big money who has injury issues and you're left in the same position you were before you signed him - filling round holes with square pegs. Youy also struggle to bring in more quality as cover because those players know that if said player is fit, or for big games then they get dropped.
If Van Gaal brings him in then fair enough. I hope they've done their homework and satisfied themslves he's physically up to it as to be frank, we don't seem to manage injuries well at the best of times.
Schneiderlin looks a quality player and ripe for a move to a big club where he can kick on. If we're serious about him then Schweinsteiger would represent good business as well. But for me the former should be brought in ahead of the latter.
Can't really argue with any of that. A ton of posters have said, as world class as Bastian is or was, he represents short term option and big risk.
He should be the bonus signing, in addition to getting Schneiderlin.
I agree. Signing a player who's done it all in the game and is a "big name" but who is arguably not the player he has been in the recent past is fine - if you've got enough quality to cope with him not always being available.
The issue here is whether he'll come to United and expect to be first choice whenever he's available. I'm sure he believes he's capable of playing 40 plus games a year and he might very well be. The problem comes if he isnt and we've sidestepped a quality player who is just to get him on board.
Time will tell I suppose but regardless of his relationship with Van Gaal, the fact is he's not the player Van Gaal previously coached. More miles on the clock can present major issues in a physical league like the PL.
I'd ideally love to get them both.
A midfield 3 consisting of any 3 of the 4: Carrick, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Schweinsteiger can stand up to almost any midfield in Europe IMO. & they have enough ability to keep the ball under pressure. & you could pair just about any 3 of them together as well.
But yeah, Schneiderlin should be of higher priority. I assume Bastian is a priority because LvG has made no secret of his desire to bring in a box to box player (Strootman). So with Strootman not currently being an option, maybe LvG sees Schwein as the perfect "stop-gap" to lead our midfield and perform that role until either someone like Strootman becomes available or someone like Pereira develops and proves themselves.
In short - I'd guess they're both priority targets for us. Hopefully we get both as they're complimentary type players, not substitutes for one another.
The feck? Yeah, right, that's how Bayern treats its club legends. How do you guys come up with weird theories like that? As long as he wants to play for the club, he'll get a contract.
I agree with the notion that Scheiderlin should be the priority. That said would love Schweinie as well.
This would give us 6 quality players for the midfield 3 and let's us play however we want.
Carrick
Scheiderlin
Schweinsteiger
Herrera
Mata
Fellaini
Go big and powerful... Go pacey... Go possession. .. Go defensive. Go however you need with pure quality to help us win buckets of games.
Honestly not many midfield in Europe better and if you think there is one I will be it is not as vesitile.
This would give us 6 quality players for the midfield 3 and let's us play however we want.
Carrick
Scheiderlin
Schweinsteiger
Herrera
Mata
Fellaini
Go big and powerful... Go pacey... Go possession. .. Go defensive. Go however you need with pure quality to help us win buckets of games.
Honestly not many midfield in Europe better and if you think there is one I will be it is not as vesitile.
I don't think there's too many turning their nose up at this per se, from my perspective Schweini + Schneiderlin would be both ideal and incredible. However, Schweni at the cost of not getting Schneiderlin, not so much, especially given the former's recent injuries and how much we've lacked a player like the latter for years.
I think SportBild has written that they dont want to offer him the contract he wants or something like that.
Fitting story for Sportbild, after all they fight a personal and disgraceful war against Schweinsteiger for years. They're probably still out for revenge because Schweinsteiger called one of their journalists a pisser and asshole in a pre-game press conference and he was right to do so. As well informed Bild usually is about Bayern, SportBild knows feck all, even though both belong to the same publishing house.
umm we are currently obsessed with Real Madrid friend
they don't share shit together?
I'd prefer to have him than not, but I think as fans we've been stung by injury prone players in the last few years, so the idea of bringing in another might worry some people. Not to even mention that he's certainly past his best, even if his current level might be higher than our other midfielders and it's not that common for us to buy players in decline.
Don't think so, no. They copy each other like other newspapers do, maybe a bit quicker, but they've totally different editorial offices and staffs as far as I know. And if you follow the news both produce themselves, you quickly learn that Bild has way too reliable inside sources at Bayern while SportBild don't have any and spout utter nonsense all the time.
They are all slow as feck lol
You probably know more about the club than me.. So you could be right.. But as you quoted, I said Might and not won't.. Just as there is a chance he would be given a new contract, isn't there a chance for the manager to move for a younger replacement?!
He has already said he wants to stay, but the quotes from Sammer and Pep is not really reassuring don't you think?!
He hasn't
. He's just throwing meaningless phrases out from time to time. Both Sammer and Pep on the other hand said that they want him to stay and that he has an offer and just needs to make a decision, which they can't make for him.Its the combination the will get the pace.If you would play Carrick/Schweinsteiger/Fellani in MF 3, then that would be slow.
Instead play Carrick or Schweinsteiger supported by Herrera & Scheiderlin, which got decent pace.
If we were talking big transfer fees on a risk I'd probably agree, but the rumoured figures for a player of his calibre would be a steal and I'm pretty sure he could still give us a good 3 or so years at a level above most other midfielders around.
There's people saying it's a bad signing and I totally disagree, his experience alone would be great to have, and others would learn from him.
I was thinking Scheiderlin and Herrera could go more than half speed
.Yeah what he said
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timtime.BothSammerandPep on the other hand said that they want him to stay and that he has an offer and just needs to make a decision, which they can't make for him.
Sammer and pep seemed to use words carefully in such a way that they indicate that they would prefer if he left them. Sammer for instance was asked about this and his own words of 'I want him to stay' were quoted to him to which he replied 'that's a quote which is old'. Pep too said something along the lines of 'it's a decision that he should take alone and if it is to move on we fully agree.' (I confess though that These quotes I saw on Twitter accounts of some German journo and sportswitness and I actually didn't hear what they said). These quotes make it seem like they are hinting that he leave. In the past I have seen them ask players to stay in more certain manner which is why I feel this way.
Pace is relative. Not in comparison to Walcott or the likes. No team has midfielders who are pacey like wingers or full backs will be. Matic Fabregas Ramsey Wilshere cazorla coquelin Fernandinho toure no one is super fast. Yet they have decent enough pace to cover the midfield. Herrera Schneiderlin definitely have pace in that aspect
Mobility is a more apt word there. Players like Ander, Schneiderlin, Ramsey and Wilshere are definitely nippy enough through the centre. Chelsea also have Ramires, who has genuine pace. Shame he has nothing else.
Rummeinigge: "I have been talking to Basti Schweinsteiger and heard that the offer from England flatters"
Rummenigge will sit down and talk with Schweinsteiger at the weekend.
(This is a rough translation)
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First one roughly says: "I've gathered during a chat with Schweinsteiger that he is flattered by the offer from England" the second says that Rummenigge will supposedly have talks with Schweinsteiger over the weekend.
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If there ever was a time for him to move it's now. He has won everything with Bayern multiple times, is world champion and is entering the twilight of his career. What else is there left for him than spending a few more years in another top league?
I would love to see him here although I'm still a bit sceptical on how he will hold up injury wise considering that he has been fighting with injury problems for the last couple of years and that probably won't improve much with his increasing age. So it's a bit of a gamble but probably one worth taking unless Bayern demands a crazy amount of money for him.
I would love to see him here although I'm still a bit sceptical on how he will hold up injury wise considering that he has been fighting with injury problems for the last couple of years and that probably won't improve much with his increasing age. So it's a bit of a gamble but probably one worth taking unless Bayern demands a crazy amount of money for him.
We have Carrick and presumably Schneiderlin. His injury problems won't be a problem if we get 30 games out of him that's fine.
I agree it's a gamble worth taking and he can rotate with Carrick in and out of the physio room.
We're still waiting on Bastian aren't we? that's what's holding up the Schneiderlin deal.
If we are thinking of Bastian as an alternative to Schneiderlin, then I think we are making a huge mistake.
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