Bale.... or Willian

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Fer said:
William would improve our RW. But, why signing him when we can get Pulisic for less money being 10ys younger.

Barca signed Malcom for less than 40m, even Mahrez was cheaper than William.
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First, his name is Willian (m => n). Second, he's proven in Premier league, he's a top player and ready to help us win the league. Pulisic is not, we don't know whether he would be able to play in PL (just like Miki).

Malcom is nowhere Willian's quality, he played in farmer's league where even Obertan seemed to be a good talent at that time. He's good, but Barca's first option was clearly Willian and got Malcom because of the big fee Chelsea wanted.
 
Fer said:
William would improve our RW. But, why signing him when we can get Pulisic for less money being 10ys younger.

Barca signed Malcom for less than 40m, even Mahrez was cheaper than William.
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Great player but Jose could just start promoting T-Chong in about 2 years while Willian could do the job in a meantime. After Kagawa & Mkhi, signing another Dortmund ace will be always polemic despite Pulisic being very promising.

Surprised Klopp didn't go after him, tbh.
 
Willian would be great but it's a very short term signing.

An Alexis---Lukaku---Willian front three would be amazing but how long would it really last?

Yeah I know footballers don't dissolve when they reach 30 but with Alexis and Willian reaching 30 before Christmas, you'd think they'll be at the top level for 2 maybe 3 seasons maximum.
 
I can't decide about willian. We need right winger who will make impact now. He is class and will be huge upgrade in attack. Also there is no many right wingers on market at that level. And he is classic mourinho player so he will adapt quickly.
But 70 mil for 30y old player is a bit too much. And willian means bye bye martial for sure. So much pros and cons here
 
JMack1234 said:
Willian would be great but it's a very short term signing.

An Alexis---Lukaku---Willian front three would be amazing but how long would it really last?

Yeah I know footballers don't dissolve when they reach 30 but with Alexis and Willian reaching 30 before Christmas, you'd think they'll be at the top level for 2 maybe 3 seasons maximum.
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If after those 3 seasons rashford and chong reach that level than it is ok. If we will buy another wingers for 100mil each than it is a problem.
 
JMack1234 said:
Willian would be great but it's a very short term signing.

An Alexis---Lukaku---Willian front three would be amazing but how long would it really last?

Yeah I know footballers don't dissolve when they reach 30 but with Alexis and Willian reaching 30 before Christmas, you'd think they'll be at the top level for 2 maybe 3 seasons maximum.
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Well im sure Mourinho and the club hierarchy hope that Martial, Rashford or Lingard would be ready in those two three years to become starting XI material. If not we can afford to move them on and buy other elite level players. The problem is elite players dont want to join a failing club. They want to join teams where they can win trophies. We need to start winning big trophies and big games again. Thats the first step. I dont think player ages and turnover is a concern for a club that has so much money.
 
KingMinger22 said:
But both of those signings look cheap now so how was that the tipping point?

No single signing or handful of signings have contributed that disproportionately to what has and will continue to be a general inflation in the transfer market in line with increasing revenues and high demand/low supply.
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Neither of these guys can defend to save his life so how do they look cheap now at 50m each?
 
We are going to end up with Willian aren't we? As if watching United wasn't already hard enough..
 
KingMinger22 said:
But both of those signings look cheap now so how was that the tipping point?

No single signing or handful of signings have contributed that disproportionately to what has and will continue to be a general inflation in the transfer market in line with increasing revenues and high demand/low supply.
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Cheap? Stones at £50m even today is not cheap. He couldn't defend to save his life. He'd be benched by Pep for the league games.
 
ArditVula said:
First, his name is Willian (m => n). Second, he's proven in Premier league, he's a top player and ready to help us win the league. Pulisic is not, we don't know whether he would be able to play in PL (just like Miki).

Malcom is nowhere Willian's quality, he played in farmer's league where even Obertan seemed to be a good talent at that time. He's good, but Barca's first option was clearly Willian and got Malcom because of the big fee Chelsea wanted.
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I didn't say William is a bad player, in fact, I like him, that's why I said he would improve our attack. My point is that 75m for him is too much money considering his age.
 
JMack1234 said:
Willian would be great but it's a very short term signing.

An Alexis---Lukaku---Willian front three would be amazing but how long would it really last?

Yeah I know footballers don't dissolve when they reach 30 but with Alexis and Willian reaching 30 before Christmas, you'd think they'll be at the top level for 2 maybe 3 seasons maximum.
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Why would this matter - 2 or 3 seasons with a potent front three would be a dream. When was the last time we had this?
 
SuperiorXI said:
The underrating of Willian on here is criminal, all because he is 30 I suspect.
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Again, much like Maguire, most aren't really underrating, merely saying he's not worth the fee being mentioned. It's the whole "if you don't think he's great you must not rate him at all" thing all over again.

I think Willian is a good winger, but far from a great one. He's hasn't been able to hold down a place at Chelsea the last few seasons and has never hit double figures for them in either goals or assists. Add to that the fact that he's 30 in a few weeks and €70m is a truly bonkers price tag.

Hell, the Caf logic seems to be "well eh.. he's better than what we have on the right-wing so buy him", which I also do not agree with.
 
I think he’s a decent player and would help us next season but signing a player at 30 for this kind of cash and presumably a 4/5 year contract is nuts. In a couple of years, he’ll not be at an elite level and we won’t be able to recoup any of the investment, ditto Alexis. It would be a panic buy and provides another barrier for one of our youth players.
 
Willian is not worth 30m in any transfer market he may work hard but with little end product. His crossing is poor as he is not a natural winger, and there is not much else to his game.
 
Nickthepip said:
I think he’s a decent player and would help us next season but signing a player at 30 for this kind of cash and presumably a 4/5 year contract is nuts. In a couple of years, he’ll not be at an elite level and we won’t be able to recoup any of the investment, ditto Alexis. It would be a panic buy and provides another barrier for one of our youth players.
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I don’t think it would be a panic buy on mourinhos part, he clearly likes him and I think if you buy a younger player that would be more likely to hamper Chongs chances.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Would you rather Rebic? That's the only other winger we're hearing rumors about
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No I wouldn't have Rebic either. We're linked with the most boring wingers.

Judas said:
Eh? He's not exactly tumescent. You're acting like we're buying a second Fellaini and sticking him on the wing.
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That's a pretty good comparison actually. Both Fellaini and Willian are good players who will do a job for the manager. But I expect much more than that when we're trying to rebuild the team.
 
JMack1234 said:
Willian would be great but it's a very short term signing.

An Alexis---Lukaku---Willian front three would be amazing but how long would it really last?

Yeah I know footballers don't dissolve when they reach 30 but with Alexis and Willian reaching 30 before Christmas, you'd think they'll be at the top level for 2 maybe 3 seasons maximum.
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If we win the title and or CL in 3 seasons because of these signings I don't think much people will care. Plus with sports science the way it is today 30 is the new 25.
 
Bale, salah and mbappe are better than willian but they are out of reach. Who else can we buy and is classic right winger?
 
As I had mentioned,we alrealy have lots of talents at the club and the manager is known for his trust towards experienced ones. (Martial, Shaw, Periera, F Mensah, lots of young players are struggling to get regular roles and we all know they will not)

We need instant impact not investing for the future.

With Jose, Buying young players may only improve our bench.
 
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Neither, both are over priced and wont be worth much in a few years.

We have quite a few players now around or over the 30 mark and in a year or two we will be in the same situation, spending fortunes to replace them. Use the 100m being touted for Bale and bring in a young exciting right winger like Barca's Dembele or Dortmund's Pulisic who will still have years ahead of them and will be worth more than what we pay for them now, in a few years.
 
breakout67 said:
The financial aspect hasn't made sense for a long time. Players like Mahrez and Van Dyke are going for the same amount of money even though they aren't young prospects. City and Liverpool will make a loss on both of those players but they paid the price for a good player they wanted in.

We'll get 3 years out of him, then flog him off to Italy or China and recoup the wages we paid him over his contract.[/Q
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ChaddyP said:
If we win the title and or CL in 3 seasons because of these signings I don't think much people will care. Plus with sports science the way it is today 30 is the new 25.
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It's really not, the game is full of athletes these days, imo the peak now is 25-27 and not 28-30.
 
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Andycoleno9 said:
Bale, salah and mbappe are better than willian but they are out of reach. Who else can we buy and is classic right winger?
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Just because Willian is the only option for a classic right winger doesn't mean we should buy him.

If we had to spend cash, I'd rather give Pulisic a try at £70m than Willian at £60m+
 
Massive Spanner said:
Again, much like Maguire, most aren't really underrating, merely saying he's not worth the fee being mentioned. It's the whole "if you don't think he's great you must not rate him at all" thing all over again.

I think Willian is a good winger, but far from a great one. He's hasn't been able to hold down a place at Chelsea the last few seasons and has never hit double figures for them in either goals or assists. Add to that the fact that he's 30 in a few weeks and €70m is a truly bonkers price tag.

Hell, the Caf logic seems to be "well eh.. he's better than what we have on the right-wing so buy him", which I also do not agree with.
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Willian has hit double figures goals for 3 seasons running.

15/16 - 10 goals 10 assists
16/17 - 12 goals 5 assists
17/18 - 13 goals 12 assists

I have no idea how someone can call that type of return anything other than good. It's not world class like Hazard or Bale (when he wasn't always injured) but it's a solid return.
 
Not thrilled with the price but honestly think he will help. As for long term with Rashford, Lingard and Chong I am pretty hopeful.

Jose has clearly staked his future on this and Jose seems to want to stay so let's see :).
 
We HAVE to improve this summer, it's vital because the teams around us are rapidly getting their sh** together. I can understand the cafs willingness to buy better players.
 
I think Willian would be a top signing. His contribution is good, workrate is good, great at set pieces and Jose knows how he works. Barcelona making multiple bids for him shows he's no mug.
 
ChaddyP said:
If we win the title and or CL in 3 seasons because of these signings I don't think much people will care. Plus with sports science the way it is today 30 is the new 25.
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The kind of sports science that can do that is banned, supposed to be anyway. Sanchez is imo a nice example of how athletic decline starts to creep in closer to 30 and beyond. Nothing huge but it's visible and gets progressively worse.
 
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Sambob said:
We HAVE to improve this summer, it's vital because the teams around us are rapidly getting their sh** together. I can understand the cafs willingness to buy better players.
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Which is probably the bottom line to this signing, Jose knows he's a player that will help us do just that in a key position we sorely need to improve. Still it looks a crazy price for a 30 year old and you can't shake the feeling we're taking a player Chelsea have probably had the best of and partly subsidising their future into the bargain.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
Which is probably the bottom line to this signing, Jose knows he's a player that will help us do just that in a key position we sorely need to improve. Still it looks a crazy price for a 30 year old and you can't shake the feeling we're taking a player Chelsea have probably had the best of and partly subsidising their future into the bargain.
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I doubt it. Willian is a late bloomer. He crossed the 20 goals and assists mark in his late twenties. This is probably where he gets his inconsistent label from, in his first two seasons at Chelsea he was genuinely not good going forward. It was only in the Chelsea meltdown season that he started to move up a level.

I would consider Willian to be significantly better than Perisic, and a good level for a RW. We are probably overpaying by around £10m but its the price you pay when buying from a rival.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
So what makes you think of Zaha then?
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The fact he’s been posting and deleting messages today about now being the time to make changes and the fact he’s turned down a new contract at palace.

One of the most exciting talents around the PL, big, strong and quick. Scores goals. Has really matured since he left us, those couple of seasons show that we just took a punt too early and Moyes didn’t help!

Maybe he’s off to spurs but I’d hope we’ve considered him as an option if bale is staying in Spain.
 
breakout67 said:
I doubt it. Willian is a late bloomer. He crossed the 20 goals and assists mark in his late twenties. This is probably where he gets his inconsistent label from, in his first two seasons at Chelsea he was genuinely not good going forward. It was only in the Chelsea meltdown season that he started to move up a level.

I would consider Willian to be significantly better than Perisic, and a good level for a RW. We are probably overpaying by around £10m but its the price you pay when buying from a rival.
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Yeah, not crazy when you assess the factors I suppose. Eye-catching for a player of that age though, and naturally I worry about a player whose pace is a main weapon's potential to deteriorate quicker than a deep lying playmaker of the same age.

Still I'm excited to have a player who can slot in right now and give us something on that desert-like right wing (assuming the signing goes through).
 
I honestly wouldn't mind us getting Willian. It's not like there's plenty talent available in the market and Willian is no slouch. He may not be a Hazard but he certainly improves our right hand side.

Its a yes from me.
 
breakout67 said:
Willian has hit double figures goals for 3 seasons running.

15/16 - 10 goals 10 assists
16/17 - 12 goals 5 assists
17/18 - 13 goals 12 assists

I have no idea how someone can call that type of return anything other than good. It's not world class like Hazard or Bale (when he wasn't always injured) but it's a solid return.
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I was looking at the league but I guess it's fair to use his overall contributions. But you said it yourself, it's not world class, and yes he is good but I said he's good so I'm not sure what your point is.

We would be spending €70m on a "good" 30 year old winger. Does that not seem a bit nuts to you?
 
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