He was outstanding versus Southampton
Baby elephant is growing quickly in the room
- Thread starter sammsky1
- Start date
- Status
He was outstanding versus Southampton
I thought he was quite ok yesterday. Seems to have a good understanding with Herrera.
Yeah he was good against Southampton and Leicester and underwhelming in the others I'd say. He had a few good chances yesterday, but you can't give him too much credit for that considering he missed them and he didn't do much else.
Dropping points like we did does hurt a little bit more than, say, a dull nil-nil. But the lack of restraint and forethought in the threads that sprung up soon after the game does suggest a large cohort of Jessicas, lashing out at, especially, Pogba and Zlattan, who I suppose could have won the match for us.
The creativity that he has brought to the midfield, the quick feet yesterday to set up Zlatan. The chap is quality. Not many of the top players just hit the ground running. Neymar at Barca, Suarez at Barca and Ronaldo at Real. They all took a bit of time to get settled.
I think hes quality and just what we needed.
I think hes quality and just what we needed.
Rooney is an experienced striker. Its his job to score goals. Pogba is a young midfielder who hit the bar and he produced some great passes who should be converted to goals
Fixed that for you.
He is far from flat track bully, check his performance against Bayern away and also against City in Champions league. We can't blame others for his performances but it's very clear that players need proper set up to fully showcase their abilities.
There are many examples, not only with change of team just with change of manager they were able to up their game. Juventus got the best out of his ability hopefully we do the same.
He's hit the woodwork on a number of occasions already and should have scorede with one of either the header or his glaring chance where he was in on goal, should have also had an assist yesterday only for Ibra to feck up his chance which for a striker of his calibre was a sitter. He's getting there. He doesn't deserve all the pressure being placed on him to be the one to change everything for this team. In the long run he is going to be a vital cog in the system once we get the correct blend of players. His price tag was also ridiculously inflated. Im not one bit concerned. We battered stoke for long enough periods and should have beaten them by 4 or 5 goals. It was one of those days.
Take your baby elephant and feck off
When I read the title, I was shocked it wasn't another Rooney thread.
I thought he was completely anonymous against Feyenoord and City and not clinical enough yesterday but overall I'd say he's been fine.
Not exceptional, although he has had his moments, but nothing to worry about either. The talent is there.
Not exceptional, although he has had his moments, but nothing to worry about either. The talent is there.
There are no Rooney threads at all on the first page of the United forum. When was the last time that happened?
Complete joke of a thread.
Beats players with skill, creates space for other players, has single handedly made several chances while playing a deeper role than he used to at Juve, passes the ball as well as anyone in the side and actually looks to have a go from outside the area.
Sure he missed two golden chances yesterday which IMO is part of the reason we dropped points. And yes has been caught out by taking a few risks going forward, but isnt that what we want; attack, attack, attack...? The boring dross we've seen for the past three years for fecks sake and you're labelling him as the elephant in the room? I find him the most entertaining player to watch in the side.
Reactionary mentally weak nonsense. The state of this place sometimes....
Beats players with skill, creates space for other players, has single handedly made several chances while playing a deeper role than he used to at Juve, passes the ball as well as anyone in the side and actually looks to have a go from outside the area.
Sure he missed two golden chances yesterday which IMO is part of the reason we dropped points. And yes has been caught out by taking a few risks going forward, but isnt that what we want; attack, attack, attack...? The boring dross we've seen for the past three years for fecks sake and you're labelling him as the elephant in the room? I find him the most entertaining player to watch in the side.
Reactionary mentally weak nonsense. The state of this place sometimes....
Herrera is overrated imo, he's a good player no doubt but he's not as good as some make him out on here
Would like to see him in a midfield 3 with pogba and a proper DM though
What a shit thread. He's the least of our problems right now. There's only fine margins from him having 6-7 goals and assists to his name. How many matches has he played?
I've been waiting for years for us to get a midfielder like him. He is a proper threath through the center which we've been lacking for years. He can pull things out of nothing and he is only 23. He is not worth £90m at the moment though, but that's not his fault. Get behind him ffs.
I've been waiting for years for us to get a midfielder like him. He is a proper threath through the center which we've been lacking for years. He can pull things out of nothing and he is only 23. He is not worth £90m at the moment though, but that's not his fault. Get behind him ffs.
This. Makes you wonder if some fans pray the night before for the team to perform badly so they can scream I told you so about the players they have agendas about.
Well said
Ozil didn't cost £89M.
At present, I think Herrera is our best midfielder, so to make out as if Pogba's performance is being degraded by playing with bad players is ludicrous.
Pogba is expected to be run the game for us, the same way that KDB and Silva run the games for MCFC.
He is not performing as advertised and I think he already knows this.
It is still early though and hopefully, he will be better in the 2nd half of the season.
This. I cant think of a single midfielder in the world that possess the ability on the ball, an aye for a pass, stamina, technique, powerful in the air....as you say, the width of the post / bar from having 3 goals and could easily have had as many assists.
He takes a risk. He looks to beat a man. He looks to shoot from distance. He looks for the difficult pass. He takes all the risks we have been crying out for.
He was better yesterday than he was against Leicester, but idiots on here who only read stats and player ratings don’t see what he contributes.
I don't care about his price, he's doing OK. The midfield puzzle isn't solved though. A playmaker seems to be the last large missing piece.
This time next year when everyone watches his 5 minute 16/17 season review on youtube theyll be saying hes the best thing since sliced bread.
I saw him let the ball roll under his foot three or four times. Pointing out that he was sloppy doesn't make you an idiot.
100%Doesn't he already have two MOTMs?
Somewhere out there, there's a RedCafe Goes Into Meltdown thread and they're having a great time at this site's expense
I wouldnt be surprised if half the people in this thread are opposing fans.
An Arsenal fan told me today at work De Gea was crap for not parrying the ball well enough for their goal. A player thats been practically flawless for 3 or 4 seasons is crap after 1 bad save.
The whole Pogba thing is off the charts though. This kid will have the stature of Ronaldo at this club by the time he leaves, hes that good. Hard to believe hes only 23.
He played well yesterday. Really positive he's getting in to scoring positions, but obviously a player of his quality should score from these changes...
Good post. Progress is never a straight line. There are bumps and setbacks along the way. People need to chill out and play the long game with this side. Also, fatuous comments like "we paid X amount for X player so he should be performing to X standard or else he's a disappointment to me".....need to be wiped out.
Just to be clear, what are people expecting from a central midfielder? Let's not bring the price tag in this for a moment.
This phantom baby elephant thing needs to leave the room, we're all bored now.
If he's so poor, shouldn't you complain about the price we paid for him instead of his performance? Or do you people actually believe that he would play better or worse if for example he would have had one year left on his contract with Juve and we had got him for £25m?? He would still be the exact same player but apparently you would then have no complaints that he missed a few chances yesterday because a £25m player doesn't have to be MOTM every single week while a £90m player does. 
I'm genuinly worried that with the logic some people in here use they go to Mcdonalds and pay £800 for a Big Mac in the hope that it will taste better than if they would have paid £5 for it.
I'm genuinly worried that with the logic some people in here use they go to Mcdonalds and pay £800 for a Big Mac in the hope that it will taste better than if they would have paid £5 for it.
Why would people have an agenda against Pogba?
The delight when he was signed was unanimous, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that he hasnt set the world alight up till this point. Stating otherwise I would say more likely points to an agenda.
Like some sort of denial stage that people are going through. The idea that the 89 million pound man isn't performing yet causes some sort of fear and defence mechanism. So people pretend he's been playing well.
If there's one player the cafe wants to do well above all else it's going to be the homegrown 89£ million pound man, our best player.
Good post. Completely agree.
Unfortunately each player thread (the big names players anyway) seems to have a handful of posters who are extremely defensive about any kind of criticism. Hence the constant agenda accusations.
I'd be concerned if he'd consistently been poor but so far he's had a couple of very good games mixed in with the poorer ones. He's shown what he's capable of and I'm confident he'll show it on a more regular basis as he settles in.
Yeah, he's been a little inconsistent and he probably needs another few games for us to see more consistency, I think he'll come good and for me he's already made our midfield look that much more dynamic.
Pogba is doing fine in a slightly dysfunctional team that's trying to work each other out.
But if he wants to be a true great, he'll have to learn when to release the ball.
Obviously, this becomes a problem if you have the ability to beat a man because you might want to beat a second - and a couple more.
But playing in his position, he's got to find his advanced man quicker - because the very best players have a synchroncity and timing that is almost second nature.
He doesn't quite have that yet (even though he's produced some excellent passes already). Let's hope he can develop it.
But if he wants to be a true great, he'll have to learn when to release the ball.
Obviously, this becomes a problem if you have the ability to beat a man because you might want to beat a second - and a couple more.
But playing in his position, he's got to find his advanced man quicker - because the very best players have a synchroncity and timing that is almost second nature.
He doesn't quite have that yet (even though he's produced some excellent passes already). Let's hope he can develop it.
He was great against Stoke. If he'd put those two goals in - and I feel like 8 times out of ten he'd have scored both - we'd all be ******* over the highlights video right now.
This wasn't like one of those Van Gaal draws where we dominated territory and possession without looking that threatening. We were genuinely unlucky, and thwarted by a stunning performance from the keeper. Mourinho's right, another day this would've been 5-0. And Pogba's performance was the same: really good, and unlucky that it didn't come to more.
This wasn't like one of those Van Gaal draws where we dominated territory and possession without looking that threatening. We were genuinely unlucky, and thwarted by a stunning performance from the keeper. Mourinho's right, another day this would've been 5-0. And Pogba's performance was the same: really good, and unlucky that it didn't come to more.
Was a freak result and Pogba has been solid if unspectacular so far - to be expected given no pre season and only a few games in.
I can't remember the last DDG error and that, combined with us missing a host of chances, will never bode well for a positive result. Those were the games we were losing last season.
I can't remember the last DDG error and that, combined with us missing a host of chances, will never bode well for a positive result. Those were the games we were losing last season.
would this dumb thread exist if he had rightly bagged a hattrick vs Stoke?
Dude even created 4 clear cut chances on top of missing 3 goals.....I suppose creating 4 clear cut chances doesn't tally with 'dominating midfield'....
Whilst most were in support, it wasn't totally unanimous. There were some supporters who didn't want him. Some were happy we we prepared to challenge the top teams for the best players in world football but didn't think he was worth the money. That's fair enough. Everybody has their own opinions about the type of player they believe will make the club better, and what they think they are worth.
For me I see potential. I see what he can become over the next 5-6 years (probably longer). Over that time span I'm sure the club will more than make their money back on Pogba.
Should we have paid 89 million for him in the first place? No, because he should never have been let go in the first place imo. But is it his fault he cost us that much?
In terms of performance to date. It's been up and down. Not consistent enough. I would like to see him maintain his levels for 90 mins. But surely you can see in the short time that he's been here is that he at least tries to be creative? He tries to offer something different? Or am I wrong?
In terms of agenda. Look at some of the posts on here and tell me if some haven't decided that every time he doesn't perform to their standard that they are going to mention the 90 million. or whenever he miscontrols a ball or misses a shot the comment will envaribly be that 90 million players don't make mistakes.
Reminds me of the Rooney thr... Ah there's my train.
- Status