What do we expect of Pogba? Just as a matter of interest. Now that most on here seem to accept he's not a midfielder that will dominate midfield and control the game, what do we expect of him? Is he supposed to add goals from midfield to our team?
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You're just going to have to accept that the world's most expensive player is subjected to more scrutiny than most. It's not an agenda it's just the way it is, the way it's always been.
Nobody made Pogba move, accept huge amounts in wages, take part in a big PR campaign after signing. When they do all that they make a deal. Like all players he deserves time but he'll rightfully be under more pressure than say Bailly.
I can't see how a midfield player is ever really worth £90million. Players that score from half a chance, and can be RELIED upon to do so.e g. Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Aguero, Bale, are worth that sort of money..IMO .
'If he scored' but he didn't all the goals would do is mask a poor overall performance.
He's had two good games (southampton and leicester) and several average performances. I'm not surprised because this is what he plays like, sloppy, poor decision making, goes missing at Juve he could cover it more with goals and assists but he isn't a cerebral midfielder and never will be. He isn't the finished article so we need to be patient with a player still figuring it out. Looking back at his two good performances he was patient, was careful with the ball, more adventurous when it was on, good on the ball a lot in deep areas to help control the midfield, broke when it was right to. The poor performances he went missing for periods, poor decisions (taking players on at the wrong time, random long shots, sloppy on the ball and sloppy distribution) and failing in the defensive side of his job, so letting players run off him or leaving gaps in midfield. He was poor yesterday his misses are even more glaring because we didn't win, so he along with Zlatan has cost us 2 points when we are already playing catch up against one of the two worst teams in the league at home. they can't be swept under the rug.
He will come good eventually but his performances have been underwhelming by anybody standards. It's a mix between trying too hard and not knowing what to do, one of the reasons I was happy Jose would coach him is because I'm expecting him to coach out the negative parts of his game so I'll be patient but he's been even worst than I thought he would be thus far.
He's had two good games (southampton and leicester) and several average performances. I'm not surprised because this is what he plays like, sloppy, poor decision making, goes missing at Juve he could cover it more with goals and assists but he isn't a cerebral midfielder and never will be. He isn't the finished article so we need to be patient with a player still figuring it out. Looking back at his two good performances he was patient, was careful with the ball, more adventurous when it was on, good on the ball a lot in deep areas to help control the midfield, broke when it was right to. The poor performances he went missing for periods, poor decisions (taking players on at the wrong time, random long shots, sloppy on the ball and sloppy distribution) and failing in the defensive side of his job, so letting players run off him or leaving gaps in midfield. He was poor yesterday his misses are even more glaring because we didn't win, so he along with Zlatan has cost us 2 points when we are already playing catch up against one of the two worst teams in the league at home. they can't be swept under the rug.
He will come good eventually but his performances have been underwhelming by anybody standards. It's a mix between trying too hard and not knowing what to do, one of the reasons I was happy Jose would coach him is because I'm expecting him to coach out the negative parts of his game so I'll be patient but he's been even worst than I thought he would be thus far.
Are you saying that because he said yes and signed for us he's partly responsible for the criticism?
He is the one player on the team who is capable of creating chances out of nothing - he has scored 1 goal, hit the woodwork twice - he could have had 2 assists if Zlatan had been his usual self.
No Pogba is not a concern
No Pogba is not a concern
Nope I'm just saying it's a reality. He's moved for a massive fee and taken huge wages. With it comes added scrutiny. It's always been that way. I don't understand the surprise.
Also let's not pretend he's shy about promoting himself.
It's his job now to warrant his wage and his profile. I think he probably will but in the meantime let's remember this is nothing new. Every high profile player who makes a big move goes through the same analysis.
Course he is. Is anybody writing him off after 8 games?
Another knee jerk thread? So firstly Mourinho and now Pogba are frauds?? Fecks sake!
We are only a small elephant.
Many people feel disappointed because they had too big expectations. Pogba is an excellent player but he ain't world class yet and needs time to settle. Juve had a better team than United. When the play is dysfunctional, the players may look worse than they are.
Since the start of the 2015-16 season (all competitions).
Messi 0.86 goals/game
Ronaldo 1.00 goals/game
Suarez 1.06 goals/game
Aguero 0.80 goals/game
Bale 0.58 goals/game
...and just as a matter of interest
Chicharito 0.69 goals/game
Pogba is fantastic. I would have loved him at Madrid, you guys are absolutely insane.
What's this all about? I've seen this a few times now.
"If he'd scored" "almost scored" "if he had rightfully bagged a hat trick". When did this become a thing? When did a player almost doing something become a form of praise? And in this particular case, when did a player fecking up easy chances turn into a complement about almost scoring? Seriously call it what it was ffs.
Just illustrates the thin line between the rational and the hysterical. Clearly, there is no problem. Sometimes the shots go in sometimes they don't. Get over it.
Pogba is learning the one part of his game which is his weakness: to play with discipline in a defensive role, once he masters that, just watch what a beast he becomes, we all know his attacking, passing and shooting are top notch.
Or it illustrates that people are clutching at straws in order to praise an underperforming player.
And the thin line between having the memory of a comatose goldfish and an average human. Because even if the shots had gone in (and my aunt had balls), and his overall performance still stayed the same, it still wouldn't have been an outstanding performance
He will just add more goals and assists to his game. His overall play will be similar to how he has been. If you aren't satisfied with that, you are probably going to remain disappointed. Goals and assist changes outlook of a performance though, and am pretty sure all the people would be fawning over the exact same performance and rifhtfully so I might add.
I'm not praising him. It was an ok performance by any rational observer.
Yes, and in general, add massively to our attack from a midfielder's perspective. We've lacked that in the past couple of seasons.
Well I'm glad you saw that. The problem is people have been describing his performance as "excellent" and "very good". And that him missing sitters is some sort of proof of that. I don't know how anyone can come to the conclusion that he was excellent or very good against Stoke.
Nah, that's not true. He has a higher level than what he's showing. He has the attributes to easily surpass someone like Yaya Toure for instance. To suggest this is the best Pogba has to offer is completely ludicrous.
Pogba: Sons of Redcafe I am Paul Pogba
Young poster: Paul Pogba is 7 feet tall.
Pogba: Yes, I've heard. Scores goals by the hundreds, and if he were here he'd consume the opposition with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse. I AM Paul Pogba. And I see a whole army of my posters here in defiance of tyranny. You have come to post as free men, and free men you are. What would you do without freedom? Will you post?
Veteran poster: Post? Against that? No, we will shake our heads; and we will not post rubbish.
Pogba: Aye, post and you may look like another idiot. Shake your head and you'll seem sane -- at least a while. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our posters that they may take our sanity, but they'll never take our sensible posts!!!
Pogba and Posters: United United
Young poster: Paul Pogba is 7 feet tall.
Pogba: Yes, I've heard. Scores goals by the hundreds, and if he were here he'd consume the opposition with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse. I AM Paul Pogba. And I see a whole army of my posters here in defiance of tyranny. You have come to post as free men, and free men you are. What would you do without freedom? Will you post?
Veteran poster: Post? Against that? No, we will shake our heads; and we will not post rubbish.
Pogba: Aye, post and you may look like another idiot. Shake your head and you'll seem sane -- at least a while. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our posters that they may take our sanity, but they'll never take our sensible posts!!!
Pogba and Posters: United United
Erm.
I think there is a problem.
Hopefully it's just that he has not settled yet and is playing in an unsettled team. But he has been very underwhelming on most occasions so far.
I can agree to him from time to time being kind of uninspired, but from Pogbas position there is not much he can do in times when there are no support. Its not like he is playing CAM like Rooney does. And like some have already said, there are only margins away from goals and assists. I have expected some from Pogba, but I have expected more from the team. I think Pogba has done a good job so far. But Im waiting to see something great. The team is not set yet. There are changes every game because of injuries or from people being out of form. Im sure Pogba would perform better when the TEAM perform better. When that happens I think he will shine.
And yeah, he know the culture, but he has minimum experience from actually playing in the PL. So her I disagree hard.
I think we are in a period that we are feeling our way to find the best way to do things. Doesnt seem like Mou have a full prof plan yet because he has so many different styles of players. Almost every player needs a different approach.
And yeah, he know the culture, but he has minimum experience from actually playing in the PL. So her I disagree hard.
I think we are in a period that we are feeling our way to find the best way to do things. Doesnt seem like Mou have a full prof plan yet because he has so many different styles of players. Almost every player needs a different approach.
The problem has less to do with his play than the expectations of a 90m fee. Just ignore the fee.
How many goals did Kante score last season??? And he was instrumental in Leicester's title winning success and everybody rightly raved about him. Seriously some people on here really need to get a grip!
Pathetic meltdown.
Sticking the boot in on our players. Why bother with the media and the opposition fans at all then.
He has shown all his qualities in bits and pieces throughout the first few matches. All he needs is to become more productive and be the key difference in terms of end product. I really can't see the whole outcry like people expected a completely different player. With time a more well rounded set of performances will come but his general play is what it is.
So if say one Coutinho, Firmino, De Bruyne, Alli and Ozil out score him surely he'll be a massive disappointment?
Aren't they all slightly more advanced than Pogba? Think Alli is closer. BTW, it's not just scoring that the attacking players provide. Dribbling helps disrupt the opposition defense and makes it easier for the other attackers to score or create. Plus he'll be tasked with creating chances for the team too.
Of course, because Pogba is also a midfielder, he'll be contributing to United's defense, and controlling of the middle more so than some of those guys. Not to say that he's better in that part of the game, just that as a midfielder he'll have more opportunities to do that.
Another thing people keep saying, as if the majority of people don't know what what type of player Pogba is.
Everyone knows what Pogba brings to the table, we know what kind of player he is. Nobody is asking why isn't he playing like Messi or Iniesta.
People are just asking why isn't he playing like Paul Pogba?
Pogba and Rooney
The previous poster said that only a handful of goalscorers were worth a fee in the vicinity of Pogba's. I gave their goals/game over the last two years and also mentioned that Javier Hernandez goals/game was up there with the players he posted. That's it. It was just pointing out that a top goalscorer won't always go for a big fee. My post actually had nothing to do with Paul Pogba at all. So in other words "what are you on about?"
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