Australia tour of India - 4 tests

Well done to Australia. I fully expected India to win this but AUS have done well to see the day out. I was concerned it was déjà vu on the subcontinent when Smith got out. All to play for in the fourth test, another draw or an Aussie win will do nicely. A big issue with Australia in recent years has been their inability to dig in and get a result when the pressure comes but this needs to be the standard Lehmann and Smith refer to when Australia is under pressure to save a test.
Big pressure on India for the final test - we'll see how they and their captain handle it. The next test is a good time for Kohli to perform, put up or shut up.
 
Very happy with our last day batting, Handscomb with a standup performance and Marsh also doing very very well.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Well done to Australia. I fully expected India to win this but AUS have done well to see the day out. I was concerned it was déjà vu on the subcontinent when Smith got out. All to play for in the fourth test, another draw or an Aussie win will do nicely. A big issue with Australia in recent years has been their inability to dig in and get a result when the pressure comes but this needs to be the standard Lehmann and Smith refer to when Australia is under pressure to save a test.
Big pressure on India for the final test - we'll see how they and their captain handle it. The next test is a good time for Kohli to perform, put up or shut up.
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What pressure you mean? no pressure on our side, in fact we handled this much better way from loosing the first test and winning the second and once again in 3rd test we batted really well considering we have to bat second. Even if the next test goes to draw, our test ranking position never going to change anyway.
 
Mani said:
What pressure you mean? no pressure on our side, in fact we handled this much better way from loosing the first test and winning the second and once again in 3rd test we batted really well considering we have to bat second. Even if the next test goes to draw, our test ranking position never going to change anyway.
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If India don't win the next test, Australia retain the Border Gavaskar trophy. That's the pressure. The pressure for India to win the series and regain the silverware that goes with it. Yes, there's pressure on Australia too to avoid defeat to retain the trophy.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
If India don't win the next test, Australia retain the Border Gavaskar trophy. That's the pressure. The pressure for India to win the series and regain the silverware that goes with it. Yes, there's pressure on Australia too to avoid defeat to retain the trophy.
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In that way its pressure for both teams,but again toss would crucial here and now one knows how this pitch would behave.
 
[QUOTE="Mani, post: 20623078, member: 48430"]In that way its pressure for both teams,but again toss would crucial here and now one knows how this pitch would behave.[/QUOTE]

I acknowledge that but i think there's slightly more pressure on India. They're at home, they were expected to win this series and have the silverware in the hands by now.
 
Moby said:
Which was mainly based on thrashing a pub team like England
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Tbf - India at the start of this series had an imposing record.

Last loss at home - Kolkata vs England (2012)

Since then - 20 tests (17 wins and 3 draws)

That is absolutely mental.
 
This was a winnable test for India if Pujura and Vijay played a little quicker, especially Pujura who was way too slow. If the Aussies were given 30-35 more overs to bat in the 2nd innings, India could have bowled them out and chased a relatively small target on the last day.
 
RDCR07 said:
This was a winnable test for India if Pujura and Vijay played a little quicker, especially Pujura who was way too slow. If the Aussies were given 30-35 more overs to bat in the 2nd innings, India could have bowled them out and chased a relatively small target on the last day.
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I kinda agree. Pujara played a very good innings, but a strike rate below 50 in this era isn't really that great IMO.
 
Especially when this pitch seemed easy to bat on once you got set.

Though the fact that he was basically batting with the last proper batsman in Saha made him protect his wicket a lot more. He said he was not going for the bad balls despite temptation as he couldn't afford to lose his wicket until India was out of trouble. The biggest blame goes to Kohli, Rahane and Vijay for throwing away their wickets like that. Had one of them stayed, Pujara would have batted a lot more comfortably.
 
Skills said:
I kinda agree. Pujara played a very good innings, but a strike rate below 50 in this era isn't really that great IMO.
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His career strike rate is below 50!

Also, Australia deserve a bit of credit here - their bowlers contributed to the slowish run rate. In particular once they realized India was going to put up a massive total and get a pretty handy lead...they bowled tight/negative.
 
Neutral said:
His career strike rate is below 50!

Also, Australia deserve a bit of credit here - their bowlers contributed to the slowish run rate. In particular once they realized India was going to put up a massive total and get a pretty handy lead...they bowled tight/negative.
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Yep.

Smith ran all of them to the ground and almost sacrificed Cummins in the process bowling that many overs but that was to ensure that India both spend more time on the crease and get a smaller lead. In the end it probably made a good amount of difference.
 
Kohli needs to stop crying.

First he made a claim about Smith repeatedly cheating which turns out to have been unsubstantiated.

Today he's complaining about Australians mocking the Indian physio.
 
zing said:
Kohli needs to stop crying.

First he made a claim about Smith repeatedly cheating which turns out to have been unsubstantiated.

Today he's complaining about Australians mocking the Indian physio.
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He is such a bitch.

Maybe he should focus more on being the best batsman on his team (which he is not atm) and less on other things.
 
I'd agree India is under more pressure to win. Favourites at home and most expected Aussies to fold. This has been a decent showing by the Aussies. Saying that though, confident that the Border Gavasker trophy won't be retained.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
He is such a bitch.

Maybe he should focus more on being the best batsman on his team (which he is not atm) and less on other things.
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I'd say a man carrying his country's hopes on his shoulders (and usually coming through) is less of a "bitch" than people posting online about him. :p

That being said, credit to the Aussie team. They have played well, and have deserved to be level so far. The have surprised most (including me) who thought they would roll over. I just hope India win the toss in the next match. If the Aussies do, I'd say they have retained the trophy.
 
NM said:
I'd say a man carrying his country's hopes on his shoulders (and usually coming through) is less of a "bitch" than people posting online about him. :p

That being said, credit to the Aussie team. They have played well, and have deserved to be level so far. The have surprised most (including me) who thought they would roll over. I just hope India win the toss in the next match. If the Aussies do, I'd say they have retained the trophy.
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Am I supposed to be offended?

I think you mean Pujara has been carrying his country's hopes on his shoulders because he's been the better batsman over the two series with England and Australia.

In his last 7 innings Kohli has 288 runs compared to Pujara's 485 lol. Mitch Marsh has even scored more runs in less innings than Kohli has this series lol

All this series has really proved is how much England really under-performed in their series in India. We didn't even have Starc this last test match and yet still managed to get a draw.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
Am I supposed to be offended?

I think you mean Pujara has been carrying his country's hopes on his shoulders because he's been the better batsman over the two series with England and Australia.

In his last 7 innings Kohli has 288 runs compared to Pujara's 485 lol. Mitch Marsh has even scored more runs in less innings than Kohli has this series lol

All this series has really proved is how much England really under-performed in their series in India. We didn't even have Starc this last test match and yet still managed to get a draw.
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No because I wasn't being serious (as the smiley indicated). I think you should hate one player less and enjoy the cricket more. If I was Aus, winning the toss and batting first, I would have been very disappointed to lose. The toss is 50% of the battle in India on these pitches.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
Am I supposed to be offended?

I think you mean Pujara has been carrying his country's hopes on his shoulders because he's been the better batsman over the two series with England and Australia.

In his last 7 innings Kohli has 288 runs compared to Pujara's 485 lol. Mitch Marsh has even scored more runs in less innings than Kohli has this series lol

All this series has really proved is how much England really under-performed in their series in India. We didn't even have Starc this last test match and yet still managed to get a draw.
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:lol: Will read again
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
Am I supposed to be offended?

I think you mean Pujara has been carrying his country's hopes on his shoulders because he's been the better batsman over the two series with England and Australia.

In his last 7 innings Kohli has 288 runs compared to Pujara's 485 lol. Mitch Marsh has even scored more runs in less innings than Kohli has this series lol

All this series has really proved is how much England really under-performed in their series in India. We didn't even have Starc this last test match and yet still managed to get a draw.
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Yeah it's not like Kohli was the top scorer in the last series. I must have dreamt that up.

It's understandable Kohli pisses of the Aussies though given how he's generally tended to rip you a new arse hole the last few times they've played despite best attempts to sledge and abuse him.
 
Australia does not even sledege Kohli this series.

Just Say extras averages more then him and Mitch Marsh is better then you.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
Am I supposed to be offended?

I think you mean Pujara has been carrying his country's hopes on his shoulders because he's been the better batsman over the two series with England and Australia.

In his last 7 innings Kohli has 288 runs compared to Pujara's 485 lol. Mitch Marsh has even scored more runs in less innings than Kohli has this series lol

All this series has really proved is how much England really under-performed in their series in India. We didn't even have Starc this last test match and yet still managed to get a draw.
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Is this a serious post?

This reminds me of the lara is better than sachin debate because lara was a better test player even though sachin was way better overall.

Same now. Kohli is miles above smith when you consider odi t20 and test together
 
All credit to the Aussies! Who'd have thought the series is still up in the air with one test to go?! Tremendous performance by the Aussies.
 
prath92 said:
Is this a serious post?

This reminds me of the lara is better than sachin debate because lara was a better test player even though sachin was way better overall.

Same now. Kohli is miles above smith when you consider odi t20 and test together
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First of all t20 should not be entered in for debate, it is less about skill and more about fun.

Secondly I'll take the bait for ODI, ODI World Cup SF 2015, Kohli 1, Smith 105 (93). Yup miles better lmfao.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
First of all t20 should not be entered in for debate, it is less about skill and more about fun.

Secondly I'll take the bait for ODI, ODI World Cup SF 2015, Kohli 1, Smith 105 (93). Yup miles better lmfao.
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Smith has 8 centuries in ODI where 6 of them are in Australia. Kohli has 27 centuries 12 of which are in India. Smith averages 43 overall and 58 in Australia. Kohli averages 54 overall and around 58 at home.

Smith is just a home bully in ODI. Nothing more
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
First of all t20 should not be entered in for debate, it is less about skill and more about fun.

Secondly I'll take the bait for ODI, ODI World Cup SF 2015, Kohli 1, Smith 105 (93). Yup miles better lmfao.
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:lol:
 
prath92 said:
Smith has 8 centuries in ODI where 6 of them are in Australia. Kohli has 27 centuries 12 of which are in India. Smith averages 43 overall and 58 in Australia. Kohli averages 54 overall and around 58 at home.

Smith is just a home bully in ODI. Nothing more
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Kohli is a better ODI player, I agree, but the original point was over both formats, Kohli was miles better than Smith and I'm sorry he isn't. First of all Kohli doesn't even average 50 with the bat in the test format. Smith out of the current players is by far and away the best test batsman in cricket right now, constantly breaking 60-70 year old records. Kohli isn't even the best ODI batsman (AB has him beat on average, runs and S/R, ICC backs me up - https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/player-rankings/odi/batting) in the world right now and he certainly isn't the best test batsman, so how is he miles better?

Let me ask you this, if there is something on the line, a big match moment, a ODI world cup final or SF, a huge make or break in a test match, who do you want batting for you, Smith or Kohli? Kohli is a mental midget, end of discussion. If he had the mental fortitude of Dravid or Tendulkar he would probably live up to the outlandish claims made by most Indians. But I'm sorry I don't see it.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
Let me ask you this, if there is something on the line, a big match moment, a ODI world cup final or SF, a huge make or break in a test match, who do you want batting for you
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Not Smith? Who averages 43 in Ashes tests.
 
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I'm sorry but the idea that T20 is less about skill and more about fun is hipster fueled nonsense. The fact that he nearly averages 50 in all 3 formats (actually did before this series) is testament to the fact he's a better overall batsmen with a broader skill set. Smith is a better test batter though, no doubt.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
Kohli is a better ODI player, I agree, but the original point was over both formats, Kohli was miles better than Smith and I'm sorry he isn't. First of all Kohli doesn't even average 50 with the bat in the test format. Smith out of the current players is by far and away the best test batsman in cricket right now, constantly breaking 60-70 year old records. Kohli isn't even the best ODI batsman (AB has him beat on average, runs and S/R, ICC backs me up - https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/player-rankings/odi/batting) in the world right now and he certainly isn't the best test batsman, so how is he miles better?

Let me ask you this, if there is something on the line, a big match moment, a ODI world cup final or SF, a huge make or break in a test match, who do you want batting for you, Smith or Kohli? Kohli is a mental midget, end of discussion. If he had the mental fortitude of Dravid or Tendulkar he would probably live up to the outlandish claims made by most Indians. But I'm sorry I don't see it.
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:lol:

Absolutely clueless post. Kohli is a "mental midget", holy shit. Try to watch some other sport, Cricket isn't for you.
 
Redondo_Pirri said:
Let me ask you this, if there is something on the line, a big match moment, a ODI world cup final or SF, a huge make or break in a test match, who do you want batting for you, Smith or Kohli? Kohli is a mental midget, end of discussion. If he had the mental fortitude of Dravid or Tendulkar he would probably live up to the outlandish claims made by most Indians. But I'm sorry I don't see it.
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Kohli is a bit of a dick - no doubt about it...kind of like Ganguly. Someone not willing to take a step backwards or conform to how others expect Indians to 'behave'. In fact, Kohli acts like a lot of the aussies...might be why so many of them cant stand him :lol:

Equally...there is no doubt to date, Smith has had the far better test career (they're about the same age and have played just about the same amount of tests)

But...over the last 18 months Kohli has elevated his test batting and I think that average is going to rise quite a bit in the next couple of years.

However...he is anything but a mental midget...in fact, I think his will/mindset is one of his biggest strengths. The guy simply doesn't quit, hates losing and demands the best from himself and those around him.

There are plenty of matches when he has played massively important knocks.

*I say this as a non-Indian.
 
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Redondo_Pirri said:
Am I supposed to be offended lol?

I think you mean Pujara has been carrying his country's hopes on his shoulders because he's been the better batsman over the two series with England and Australia lol.

In his last 7 innings Kohli has 288 runs compared to Pujara's 485 lol. Mitch Marsh has even scored more runs in less innings than Kohli has this series lol

All this series has really proved is how much England really under-performed in their series in India lol. We didn't even have Starc this last test match and yet still managed to get a draw lolol.
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Neutral said:
Kohli is a bit of a dick - no doubt about it...kind of like Ganguly. Someone not willing to take a step backwards or conform to how others expect Indians to 'behave'. In fact, Kohli acts like a lot of the aussies...might be why so many of them cant stand him :lol:

Equally...there is no doubt to date, Smith has had the far better test career (they're about the same age and have played just about the same amount of tests)

But...over the last 18 months Kohli has elevated his test batting and I think that average is going to rise quite a bit in the next couple of years.

However...he is anything but a mental midget...in fact, I think his will/mindset is one of his biggest strengths. The guy simply doesn't quit, hates losing and demands the best from himself and those around him.

There are plenty of matches when he has played massively important knocks.

*I say this as a non-Indian.
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This is a good, balanced post.

Kohli in the last 12 months has been good, but he has to do it for far longer(especially considering how average his run was till then) to be in the consideration for the bracket of great test players.

He's clearly got the potential and has a great mentality. In ODIs, he's in GOAT territory, while Smith is a very good player. Between the swings in differences between achievements in the two different formats and the weighting a lot of people would give(I don't think as many runs as he makes against likes of Sri Lanka at home in bilateral ODIs have the same weightage as a stellar ODI world cup or tough runs like Smith makes in India) there's no way he's miles better than Smith. It's hard to compare achievements at this point in time, but cant say Kohli is better than Smith -- let alone miles better.

Smith averages >40 in every country and something like 75 in the last 4 years -- that is just mind boggling. Smith in last 4 years - 17 centuries, 74 average. Kohli in last 4 years - 11 centuries, 52 average. I am putting the cutoff at the point at which Smith has raised a level and sustained it -- there's simply no comparable period long enough in Kohli's career.

I think it's quite ugly how certain groups of people are ganging up and trying to bully one person in this thread.
 
zing said:
I think it's quite ugly how certain groups of people are ganging up and trying to bully one person in this thread.
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Oh, the drama of it all.

You're accusing us of bullying, based on our hyperbole, when the post we're responding to describes Kohli as "a mental midget".
 
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