Yet he doesn't anymore which is my point. Obviously Fergie had higher hopes for him but has realised that he isn't as good as he thought.
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Yet he doesn't anymore which is my point. Obviously Fergie had higher hopes for him but has realised that he isn't as good as he thought.
He faces the same challenges every young player does at United. If he's good enough he'll overcome them. If not, he'll be moved on.
My personal opinion is that the latter scenario is more likely. I really hope he proves me wrong though, speaking as a United fan and an Ireland fan.
Without being pedantic, i was referring to last season!
This season he has been injured a lot as i said in my previous posts, which you clearly didn't read
aaaggghhh. Haven't i already said to you twice, that he has been injured this season.. hence him not playing as much this year!?
He hasn't been injured all season. He has been fit for the majority of it to be fair.
I answered that. He hasn't been injured for the majority of the season and was only injured for a small portion.
I'm done with this thread, people just read what they want to read
People aren't reading what they want to read. Your posts have been answered to be fair.
Interesting, I have to say you're are the first United fan I've came across who can see him making it to the point of being an actual regular starter for us, even the more ardent supporters of Gibson see him as a sort of O'Shea. I've really never been convinced but given how poor we have been in midfield this season I'd like to see him given a good 10 game run to see if he can prove me and other doubters wrong.
Without being pedantic, i was referring to last season!
This season he has been injured a lot as i said in my previous posts, which you clearly didn't read
You said
To which I replied
That refers to him leaving because he didn't get enough games between now and the time he leaves (hypothetically) especially considering the other midfielders at the club. This season (so far)had nothing to do with what I said. It was a general comment about the reason he'd have left, if he does, in response to you saying that him leaving wouldn't mean he hadn't been good enough.
My friend met him in Suede on Friday, she's kissed Gibbo before as well, I feel like I have touched him too so I hope he does well here. I also rate him as a player and I'm no gayer, he could be an important player but he needs to get his head down.
Excellent post. Our fans are just too impatient.
Mine was true though, I don't need to make up bullshit to prove a point...
Gibson's scored 9 in 78 since his debut, or 1 in 8.6.
Ronaldo's scored 150 in 1341 over the same time period, or 1 in 8.94.
Or if you take it from Gibson's breakthrough season (08/09) it's 8.6 and 9.1 respectively. Lampard's record is 8.8 over the same period, FWIW.
It's a small point but it does give a bit of perspective.
While being a goal threat, his only real standout feature is just that. Apart from it, he's an average passer, average off the ball runner and average tackler. His hold up play is absolutely atrocious. He's good player but not good enough. The likes of Bolton etc, would do well with somebody of his capabilities but his goals mask some most poor starts at United. I'd rather we cut out losses add a buy back clause and get rid until he learns to improve his overall game in real competition not training.
For me the turning point was that game against West Brom?, when he was bought on only for our midfield to turn to shit almost immediately.
For me the turning point was that game against West Brom?, when he was bought on only for our midfield to turn to shit almost immediately.
We have to be patient with Anderson and Gibson because they are young. We have to be patient with Carrick since his loooong bad form patch will hopefully end. Not to forget Hargreaves. We just have to be patient with him too. Meanwhile our midfield depend on 36 yrs olds whom despite being old they are still light years ahead to what we've currently got. Scholes/Giggs had been great role models to the team but at this stage they will need to be rested. Not to forget that God knows what these players would do against the modern true giants of the game (Iniesta etc) expecially if they are forced to play 2 games in a row because Hargreaves is injured, Carrick and Anderson had been playing shite and Gibson's shooting was not needed in the previous game.
I know that Im sounding arrogant but that's the way things are at the moment. I can't exclude the chance that Gibson/Carrick/Anderson etc will not become/return good. Unfortunately at one point we need to bring some sheer quality in the team which would end up replacing some of the players we have to be patient with.
I know that Im sounding arrogant but that's the way things are at the moment. I can't exclude the chance that Gibson/Carrick/Anderson etc will not become/return good. Unfortunately at one point we need to bring some sheer quality in the team which would end up replacing some of the players we have to be patient with.
If you are being patient with players you most likely wont need to replace them because your patience will most likely pay off. But to some on here that is an alien concept.
With all due respect but our midfield is getting weaker not stronger. Players like Scholes and Giggs are getting older and there had been no improvement from Anderson, Gibson and co. Quite contrary some players performance has actually nosedived rather then improved.
My point is simple. Scholes and Giggs won't last forever and there is little to suggest that their 'in house replacement' will step up in time. Im not suggesting a clear out but only someone capable of replacing the two guys not in 10 yrs time but now. If the kids are so good then Im sure that they'll be able to push any opposition out of the way and take their place. At one time Fletch was our 5th choice midfield (behind Scholes and new signings Carrick, Anderson and Hargreaves). Look at him now.
So what? Why can't you be patient and wait for the form of our midfield players to improve like it ALWAYS does in the business end of the season?
Look at our defence. Do your remember how shit it was a month back?
SAF had patience with him. The vast majority of you didn't and wanted him shipped out to 'make way' for better talents.
Our central midfield had been our achilles heel for years. Other areas (+ Scholes) had compensated to such lack but with Ronaldo's departure, players getting old and current players not delivering the goods, central midfield is an area that has to be tackled. And my comment is simple to understand. We can't keep on 'having patience' with everybody. Scholes and Giggs wont last long so either this guys start showing what they are capable of or else other players will be brought to do the job. Certain players's performance has actually nosedived rather then improved.
BTW SAF has also inquired about Henderson (unless Bruce is lying).
No, it's not. Just focus on the ones who respond in a thoughtful fashion and are appreciative of all the nuances that the game allows one to pursue. I don't know about you but when I was allowed to join in I was PMd a heads-up about the state of things and I took that advice to heart and it's been worth its weight in gold.
I don't think it's a small point at all. I wouldn't be surprised if (aside from some strikers who turn out to be exceptions - and Gareth Bale) most professional footballers' shot-to-goal ratio comes to settle into that range over the entirety of their careers.
They're trained to know what a good opportunity is, and how to execute when given those opportunities. Along with recognizing if someone else is in a better position, or is soon going to be in a better position, pecking order when you're still a younger member of the squad, increased defensive attention when you've made your name, so on and so forth.
Gibson's shown signs that he can play: that through ball for one of Nani's goals a while back - which I mistakenly attributed to Carrick and no one called me a "spastified moronic imbecile of the fifth idiot order" for - was pretty tasty. He's probably suffering from "how in the world does anyone cope with trying to follow the act that is Paul Scholes" syndrome. Like all our midfielders, really.
You mean this season when we're joint top, last season we came second, or the three before that where we won the league and CL and had another final?
Bullshit. It was last our achilles hill pre the signing of Carrick and Co. Now it is that way because like before the signing of the Carrick's we are in the process of changing the old guard and bring threw young lads.
My comment is even simpler than that. We have some established players ( namely Carick and Fletcher) out of form at the start of the season. Not to mention that in the recent past SAF's patience with young players has paid off. So where is the basis for this 'we should change things now or we are dead' mentality? Apart form a bunch of overly impatient people.
The way some of you talk one would think we were below Liverpool in the table and in such dire straits as a club.
ctually nosedived rather then improved.
So? Are you not aware that Giggs and Scholes are soon retiring and will leave us 2 men short in central midfield when they do?
I don't get where some of you think that the likes of Gibson and Anderson fulfilling their potential will stop us adding to our midfield when both Scholes and Giggs finally call it quits. I in fact expect SAF to keep looking for potential signings like Henderson with increasing in the next 6 + months.
I wont be suprised if Scholes and Giggs will remain another year, which I cant blame about it, considering that they are much better then their 'replacement'. Unfortunately at their age they need to rest regularly. Now can the rest deliver the goods? If yes, what makes you think that they can, considering that their performance had nosedived rather then improved? Don't come out with the 'they played well' BS. Anderson is nowhere near to what he used to be. Same thing about Carrick and Hargreaves (his legs are gone) whose gone AWOL for months.
I think that another midfielder is needed and if Bruce is not lying then that's a thought which is shared by SAF too. Now considering the 25 player rule then some players will either have to leave on loan or for good. I doubt that certain players will be happy to end up at the far end of an endless pecking order or loaned when they can play first team football with someone else.
It was hardly making up bullshit, I misremembered a statistic. You might think I'm the worst poster on here, but I'm not dishonest.
And OK, they have similar ratios, however that doesn't take into account how many were actually on target, how many led to goalscoring chances for team-mates or corners, and how many of them were shots from sensible positions, or from positions where team-mates were better placed. Also, Ronaldo was often criticised for being too greedy and taking on too many shots when he was here, the amount of shots he took was a flaw in his game if anything. That's not why he was 'My Darling'.
One of the stranger posts I've ever read on here.
My money is on defenders and forwards making way rather than any midfielders.
He's 24 next year and have lots of things he needs to improve on, really should be looking to get regular football at this point of his career. Fletcher, who everyone is comparing him with had already played lots of games at the same age. The fact he's looking tubbier this season makes you wonder if he's really doing everything he can to make it at United.
how much is a realisitic fee for him?
i would say to move him on as I cant see him being a fixture in the 1st team
He is an average quality prem player, not good enough for united in my opinion.
And as an Ireland fan i would like him to play more 1st team football to aid his international career
i would say to move him on as I cant see him being a fixture in the 1st team
He is an average quality prem player, not good enough for united in my opinion.
And as an Ireland fan i would like him to play more 1st team football to aid his international career
Somewhere between 3-5 m perhaps?
We got £5.5m for Richardson... I bet Gibson is somewhere around the same price-range? Perhaps a bit less than £5m in the summer and a bit more than £5m in January when the window is more narrow?
I don't think £6m-£7m is too unrealistic as a January transfer.
God knows, I was just throwing something out there. I always though we got way too much for Richardson anyway.
Left footed left wingers are worth a lot of money because there are nobody around. he was only 22 too. I think that was a decent deal, and he has been a great squad player for Sunderland, they got their moneys worth.
Kieran Richardson is not a bad footballer? United quality, perhaps not - but he is defiantly Premier League quality.
Please take him and give us Bannan in exchange
I much doubt it. Gaz may retire and maybe Wes will leave. On the other hand the Da Silva twins will both need a slot in the 25 players limit team. Micheal Owen would probably leave too but we will have alot of players contending his place from Cleverley to Obertan right to Bebe and Welbeck. If Scholes/Giggs remain then the only way to strengthen the midfield will be to let someone in CM leave. I think the most likely player to leave would be Hargreaves but I won't be surprised if someone between Anderson/Carrick/Gibson will join him up.
Those are two squad places freed up right there.
Add that to Owen might leave. That makes 3. Hargreaves is likely to be the 4th at his current rate.
I really don't see Gibson or Anderson leaving at all. Infact I'm of the opinion that of the established players Carrick is far from safe
Upfront too I'm not sure Berbatov will still be here either.
a) Two places that may be freed up (Gaz has a good possibility of retiring. Wes future is still tricky though) will be taken by the Da Silva twins
b) There are several contenders for Owen's place. Welbeck, Bebe, Cleverley and Obertan will all be 21. Some may go on loan (Bebe and maybe Obertan would accept that). I doubt that the others will accept to be loaned for 2 years in a row.
c) I think that Berba has more chance of staying then Anderson and Gibson.
Well we know that a load of Ronaldo's shots weren't from sensible positions, and were from positions where team-mates were better placed. That's a given. Likewise with Gibson so far.
As for accuracy - 31 in 78 , or 1 in every 2.52, for Gibson.
530 in 1341, or 1 in every 2.53 for Ronaldo.
You've obviously missed the point - you made a big thing about Gibson's shooting, as if he had a ridiculous number of shots and most of them very wasteful...and yet it's at the same accuracy and conversion level as two of the best strikers in the game.
And you wonder why I said you were being negative for the sake of it...
I never said you talked a load of rubbish in general, I just said you're overly negative. Surely you know this yourself by now?
I thought the Da Silva twins are already part of our 25 since they aren't home grown?
The likes of Cleverley and Obertan are wide men/midfielders. They will have no bearing on Owen's future. It's people like Welbeck, Diouf and Macheda who will be up for f Owen 's place if he departs.devilish;8943149b said:
Fair enough. We shall see how it will pan out. Personally I believe Carrick and the injured Hargreaves are the midfielders in the most danger.
The Da Silvas dont need to be registered next season as they will still be under the age of 21 on 'the 1st of January of the year the season commences' (Date of Birth: 9th July 1990)
Refer to the following site for further details: Premier League football news from the Barclays Premier League | Home Grown Player rules
For the 2012/13 season they can be registered as home grown.
No, because they're under 21 so dont need to be registered. I believe they will be home grown from next season as they have been with the club for 3 seasons before their 21st birthday