Aston Villa wants Gibson?

HsJ said:
Shut up.

Players like Gibson are stopping some of the reserves with real talent coming through the ranks. Takes up one space on the bench. He's an average player. For his own sake, he needs to play consistently anyway, it would be good for him.
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That's such a bollocks argument. He's stopping other people coming through is he? I know he looks a bit evil but he doesnt actually have evil powers that allow him to manipulate the management so he gets more chances than others.

Loads here slag gibson off and wax lyrical over cleverly and yet i doubt that many have seen cleverly play 90 mins all that often. Clearly SAF etc rate gibson to some degree and people should support him not throw stones. It's a bloody stupid argument to make that he's stopping talented youngsters coming through when our coaches clearly believes he falls in that same category.
 
Allforone said:
Ill order his Taxi myself, are they even considering giving us money for him? how generous would that be!

On a more serious note i dont see why, they already have youngsters of their own far better than Gibson.
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Maybe your the type that believes that the pasture in the other field is greener?

If the rumour is true and what you say is also true ie 'they already have youngsters of their own far better than Gibson' only goes to prove that Gibson is either as good as their youngsters or that Gibson is much better.

Gibson is going to be a decent to valuable player in a couple of seasons.
 
Devils Advocate said:
That's such a bollocks argument. He's stopping other people coming through is he? I know he looks a bit evil but he doesnt actually have evil powers that allow him to manipulate the management so he gets more chances than others.

Loads here slag gibson off and wax lyrical over cleverly and yet i doubt that many have seen cleverly play 90 mins all that often. Clearly SAF etc rate gibson to some degree and people should support him not throw stones. It's a bloody stupid argument to make that he's stopping talented youngsters coming through when our coaches clearly believes he falls in that same category.
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Well, I've seen Gibson, and I've seen plenty of players who haven't made it at OT. The lad is 22(correct me if I'm wrong), but he should be making some sort of point to be in the first team. At the moment I'd prefer to see Park in the middle.

He is making a similar sort of impact to Richardson/Eagles and all those before him. He's out the door sooner rather than later.

He is stopping players like Eikrem from having a place on the bench...surely you can see that? Or do you not watch the reserve games?
 
Devils Advocate said:
I can't believe someone just compared phil neville to kieran richardson. feckin hell.
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I think the argument was 'players who aren't United quality can go on to have a good career elsewhere...'

I.e. saying he's shit, doesn't mean he's shit...just means he's not United quality, and can go elsewhere and make a good impact and have a good career e.g. Phil Neville.
 
Phil nev was united quality though IMO. He left as he wasnt guaranteed a regular starting berth. He was effectively replaced by oshea who, like nev, is in my opinion, united quality. Richardson never was and contributed diddly squat when he was here. For me the jury is still out on gibson. He's been better than richardson was for us but it's too early to tell if he's gonna be a good player for us long term. I just think people are dismissing him a bit too early. The exact same thing happened with fletch although people now try and rewrite history on that front by claiming he was never completely written off when he broke inyo the team.
 
HsJ said:
Well, I've seen Gibson, and I've seen plenty of players who haven't made it at OT. The lad is 22(correct me if I'm wrong), but he should be making some sort of point to be in the first team. At the moment I'd prefer to see Park in the middle.

He is making a similar sort of impact to Richardson/Eagles and all those before him. He's out the door sooner rather than later.

He is stopping players like Eikrem from having a place on the bench...surely you can see that? Or do you not watch the reserve games?
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I'm sure Fergie and his staff watch the reserves and if they thought Eikrem was ready to be on the bench he would be instead of Gisbon, don't get me wrong I don't think Gibson has enough to make it at United but the only person stopping those youngsters getting on the bench is Fergie's opinion that they are not ready.
 
Devils Advocate said:
Phil nev was united quality though IMO. He left as he wasnt guaranteed a regular starting berth. He was effectively replaced by oshea who, like nev, is in my opinion, united quality. Richardson never was and contributed diddly squat when he was here. For me the jury is still out on gibson. He's been better than richardson was for us but it's too early to tell if he's gonna be a good player for us long term. I just think people are dismissing him a bit too early. The exact same thing happened with fletch although people now try and rewrite history on that front by claiming he was never completely written off when he broke inyo the team.
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Yeah, fair point. Neville was United quality...eventually. I think his progress was curtailed by lack of first team opportunities.
Same with Gibson. The lad is at the age where he should be playing consistently if he is to make it. So a move would be best for him, and a permenant move may suit us, because IMO, I don't think he has what it takes to be considered a first team player at a top 4 club, and probably won't have for another 5 years. IF he plays consistently.
 
Devil may care said:
I'm sure Fergie and his staff watch the reserves and if they thought Eikrem was ready to be on the bench he would be instead of Gisbon, don't get me wrong I don't think Gibson has enough to make it at United but the only person stopping those youngsters getting on the bench is Fergie's opinion that they are not ready.
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Well, they put him on the bench a few times. He's younger than Gibson, and offered more for the reserves than Gibson did.

Gibson had his chance last year to impress...he didn't do so IMO. So he should take the chance to move to a good club like Villa who offer kids the chance to improve (also where there will be less pressure).

Eikrem IMO could offer something because he has done for the reserves. I don't remember anyone waxing lyrical about Gibsons reserve performances.
 
I don't think he's even good enough for Aston Villa.
 
HsJ said:
Well, I've seen Gibson, and I've seen plenty of players who haven't made it at OT. The lad is 22(correct me if I'm wrong), but he should be making some sort of point to be in the first team. At the moment I'd prefer to see Park in the middle.

He is making a similar sort of impact to Richardson/Eagles and all those before him. He's out the door sooner rather than later.

He is stopping players like Eikrem from having a place on the bench...surely you can see that? Or do you not watch the reserve games?
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I dont watch the reserve games no. I guess i must be a shit fan whose opinion is therefore defunct?

I presume you do though and that you must also watch every training session and are inclined to know more about bringing thtough young players than ferguson and the coaches we have in place? Otherwise it must surely be absolute bullshit for you to claim gibson is stopping others getting a chance? If gibson is put there at the moment it's because united clearly believe he is in a better position to contribute/develop at this moment in time. I just dont get the whole 'if it wasnt for him then eikrem etc would get their chance instead'. If ferguson believed eikrem was ready then he'd get his chance now regardless of gibson.

In all probability gibson wont be as good a player as eikrem or cleverly but it doesnt, IMO, mean gibson is hindering their progress. I just think united fans should get behind him a bit, dont understand the vitriol towards him. I did with richardson - he was shit and his attitude was worse. Gibson though has got some potential and generally isnt quite as shit as everyone likes to make out.
 
Devil may care said:
I'm sure Fergie and his staff watch the reserves and if they thought Eikrem was ready to be on the bench he would be instead of Gisbon, don't get me wrong I don't think Gibson has enough to make it at United but the only person stopping those youngsters getting on the bench is Fergie's opinion that they are not ready.
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That's what i was trying to say but it's still early for me and do i thought i'd ramble these sentiments instead.
 
HsJ said:
Shut up.

Players like Gibson are stopping some of the reserves with real talent coming through the ranks. Takes up one space on the bench. He's an average player. For his own sake, he needs to play consistently anyway, it would be good for him.
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Not strictly true.

Talent always gets through - especially in football. Rooney is prime example of that. If you have the talent and ability to win a place in the first team then nothing will stop your progress, certainly not other subs. Gibson and the other bench-warmers are a select group of players that consist of second choice players used as back-ups; injured first-teamers gradually being phased back in and younger players being gently introduced to top flight football and the cauldron of packed stadiums.

Gibson showed his potential against several teams, notably against Inter Milan last season in which he was immense in the first half. He will get better, stronger.
 
HsJ said:
Well, they put him on the bench a few times. He's younger than Gibson, and offered more for the reserves than Gibson did.

Gibson had his chance last year to impress...he didn't do so IMO. So he should take the chance to move to a good club like Villa who offer kids the chance to improve (also where there will be less pressure).

Eikrem IMO could offer something because he has done for the reserves. I don't remember anyone waxing lyrical about Gibsons reserve performances.
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I imagine the main difference is Gibson is clearly physically ready for the Prem where as Eikrem may not be, the leap from the reserves to the first team is fairly substantial.

I do agree though that Gibson would be better off at Villa as I can see him getting more first team chances there and perhaps even becoming a regular starter.
 
HsJ said:
Yeah, fair point. Neville was United quality...eventually. I think his progress was curtailed by lack of first team opportunities.
Same with Gibson. The lad is at the age where he should be playing consistently if he is to make it. So a move would be best for him, and a permenant move may suit us, because IMO, I don't think he has what it takes to be considered a first team player at a top 4 club, and probably won't have for another 5 years. IF he plays consistently.
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Nev didnt leave us til he was about 27 did he? I dont think gibson would be at the point where he'd want to move on for his own sake for a good while yet. United may move him on but i just find it odd that you use nev as a comparison to him. Nev could be compared to someone like oshea, ie. squad player for several years, not a youngster who has had say 2 years as backup to the squad.
 
032Devil said:
Not strictly true.

Talent always gets through - especially in football. Rooney is prime example of that. If you have the talent and ability to win a place in the first team then nothing will stop your progress, certainly not other subs. Gibson and the other bench-warmers are a select group of players that consist of second choice players used as back-ups; injured first-teamers gradually being phased back in and younger players being gently introduced to top flight football and the cauldron of packed stadiums.

Gibson showed his potential against several teams, notably against Inter Milan last season in which he was immense in the first half. He will get better, stronger.
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You mean Bayern mate? definitely Gibson's best half for us I'd say.
 
If he's loaned out to Villa, he will struggle, as he did when he was at Wolves (and they were in the Championship at the time).
 
This has to be some of the best news I have seen on here in a while
 
With Cleverly to maybe come in from January and Obertan emerging, I think the club is doing Gibson no favours at all by keeping him here any longer as he is not even getting a look in anymore!
 
032Devil said:
He could be another Nicky Butt who proved a valuable player.

He may not be a potential first choice but he certainly deserving of a squad place. His past contributions have proven that.
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Butt offered great workrate and tenaciaty in central midfield. Gibson is pretty useless with and without the ball at his feet (apart from when he shoots)
 
devilish said:
Butt offered great workrate and tenaciaty in central midfield. Gibson is pretty useless with and without the ball at his feet (apart from when he shoots)
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Neither are creative players and as individuals, they both offer different qualities. Gibson particular plus over Butt is his ability to shoot and score frequently while Butt was a battling midfielder.

The problems Gibson has is that he's not playing in a midfield with outstanding players: Scholes play's only occasionally and Fletcher is no Keane; while, Butt had both Keane and Scholes in their prime. Having said that, Butt is the better player of the two - atleast at the moment.
 
It's not an unbelievable story by any stretch. His shooting is brilliant but he needs games. If you are Aston Billa, there is an obvious attraction. We don't need squad players at the minute. We need people who can play week in week out and it just don't look like Gibson is going to get a run of games

We do have kids coming through who give us something we're lacking like Cleverly who is a better prospect and you don't keep him on the bench for Gibson. Cleverly offers a drive from midfield and a single minded purpose to get on the end of things.

People might think squad player but he won't improve as a squad player, it's not fair to the player and we have plenty of squad players. What we need is to give runs to people who could be our future. People like Obertan and Clevelry when he returns. It's no slight on Gibson as the story could be bs and he certainly can contribute
 
Striker10 said:
It's not an unbelievable story by any stretch. His shooting is brilliant but he needs games. If you are Aston Billa, there is an obvious attraction. We don't need squad players at the minute. We need people who can play week in week out and it just don't look like Gibson is going to get a run of games

We do have kids coming through who give us something we're lacking like Cleverly who is a better prospect and you don't keep him on the bench for Gibson. Cleverly offers a drive from midfield and a single minded purpose to get on the end of things.

People might think squad player but he won't improve as a squad player, it's not fair to the player and we have plenty of squad players. What we need is to give runs to people who could be our future. People like Obertan and Clevelry when he returns. It's no slight on Gibson as the story could be bs and he certainly can contribute
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Fair comment but then why did SAF loan out Cleverly and not Gibson if Cleverly is the more valuable player?
 
I hope I'm wrong but he'll never make it here. At least Fletcher had flashes of real brilliance once in a while, and i'm not talking about the odd wonder goal here or there, but ones where everyone stops and thinks "that boy could be a real talent"
 
I've always said he should be given a chance and to stick with him, because look how Fletcher was criticised for ages, then suddenly he's become first choice in our midfield.

Not saying the same could happen with Gibson, but it can be shown how somebody can completely turn peoples opinions around. But he's 23 now, he needs regular games and I just don't see how he'll get regular games with us considering we have Scholes, Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson and Giggs. Plus, I like the look of Cleverly.
 
Gibson is a very good player, but IMO you need to be a very very good player to consistently hold down a regular spot at united.

I think he would be excellent addition for any team outside the top four.
 
I've never seen him have a good game for us. A good half yeah, but he lacks the ability to do that consistently, IMO.
 
kietotheworld said:
His shooting is over-rated, he only scores so many because he shoots every time he sees the fecking goal, irrespective of what his team-mates are doing. If Aston Villa want to buy him then I'll carry him to Birmingham myself.
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He's the best striker of the ball in our team bar Scholes...

Obviously he doesn't score so much purely because he shoots so much, if Fletcher shot just as often he still wouldn't score half the goals Gibson has.

Gibson strikes it so often because he can, and because he's been told to...no-one else in the team could score some of the goals he has(Scholes included given the two-footedness, see Peterborough goal).

In what sense is it overrated? 95% of the people here point out how he shoots too much...

There's talent there, you know there is. You're being negative for the sake of it. Fair enough if you don't think he'll make it but you're talking tosh about his shooting.



You've got every type of goal there - volley, curler, daisy-cutter, ridiculous 30 yarder(with wrong foot)...all top notch technique. Give him a bit of credit...he might shoot too much but the reason he scores is because he's got a level of striking technique most players in this league would dream of.

EDIT: As for shooting too much...isn't his shots to goal ratio fairly similar to (your darling) Ronaldo's?
 
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